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what difference does it make if 1 or 2 of them screens are located in a different house?

The terms of service that you agreed to when you subscribed. Simple.

Look, I agree that Netflix's tiers are horribly marketed as "screens" or by resolution but they are what they are, they own the content and can charge what they want. You are not entitled to make up your own rules to justify the cost or terms of service.
 
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Good, pay their price for their service or unsubscribe but sharing with those outside your household is against the TOS and analogous to theft.
Theft? 🤣

If I pay for their premium tier that allows me to "watch on 4 supported devices at a time" because I want Ultra HD video quality, but I'm just a 1 person household, then I should be allowed to use those other 3 streams however I see fit as I've already paid for them. I'm not using more than what I paid for.

Netflix is the one who's stealing from me if they charge me for the up to 4 simultaneous streams but I'm only able to use 1 at a time.

It's like renting a 7 seat passenger vehicle but if I'm a 1 person household I cannot use the other 6 seats to give other people outside my household rides even though I paid for them. It's ridiculous.

Netflix screwed up with their different video quality tiers.
 
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If I pay for their premium tier that allows me to "watch on 4 supported devices at a time" because I want Ultra HD video quality, but I'm just a 1 person household, then I should be allowed to use those other 3 streams however I see fit as I've already paid for them. I'm not using more than what I paid for.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people here that conveniently leave out the important parts to justify theft.


It states very clearly "A Netflix account is for people who live together in a single household. Learn more about sharing Netflix."

You agreed to this by using the service. I don't like it either but it is what it is. Netflix owns their content or the distribution rights to other content and can charge what they want for you to view that content.

You are not entitled to change their TOS to suit your personal feelings on the matter.
 
It would definitely be a good moment to try out another service, and for another service to come up with interesting deals.
Speaking for USA customers, a goodly amount of content has come and gone on Netflix. Like the UK shows that used to be there are now on Britbox, and many asian content has moved to Viki. Other examples are Star Trek, CBS content moved to Paramount. Marvel content shown on Netflix is on Disney now. So whatever you are into there is alternatives to finding a lot of content on Netflix. Still Netflix as some good collection of content, but not always the content you fancy.
 
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Good, pay their price for their service or unsubscribe but sharing with those outside your household is against the TOS and analogous to theft.



Simple as that.
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but it is what it is. People who will cancel don't find enough value in Netflix services and Netflix obviously expects some churn.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people here that conveniently leave out the important parts to justify theft.


It states very clearly "A Netflix account is for people who live together in a single household. Learn more about sharing Netflix."

You agreed to this by using the service. I don't like it either but it is what it is. Netflix owns their content or the distribution rights to other content and can charge what they want for you to view that content.

You are not entitled to change their TOS to suit your personal feelings on the matter.
Woe be to the company that fostered the idea of breaking their own TOS when it suited them, and now tries to use said TOS as a bludgeon. 😂

Also, it's not theft. You're breaking the terms of the agreement. That is not theft.
 
This!

I think a lot of the people that complain about the cost/tiers Netflix offers complain because they are too lazy to manage their services.

10 Subscribe to a service that currently has content you want to see at their price
20 Binge content
30 Unsubscribe from service
40 Goto 10

Simple

If Netflix does not offer content you want to see at the price they offer it at then don't watch it. You are not entitled to Netflix's content free or at a discount via sharing accounts.

Simple

BASIC! I love it! Takes me back to learning it as a kid on our Apple II, Apple IIe, and Commodore 64 😃
 
Woe be to the company that fostered the idea of breaking their own TOS when it suited them, and now tries to use said TOS as a bludgeon. 😂

Also, it's not theft. You're breaking the terms of the agreement. That is not theft.
This discussion does not have to do much with feelings, if Netflix wants they can increase the price 10x. The question is if it is smart to do so, there are a lot of people that pay for the service and in a new order might not do so. Netflix is free to enforce their rules and lose subscriptions because of that.
 
You get LESS value by legitimately paying for these services than you would pirating it via Torrents.

Same problems with NBA league pass; pay for the services but half the games are blacked out. Why bother paying for a subscription anymore?
 
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Woe be to the company that fostered the idea of breaking their own TOS when it suited them, and now tries to use said TOS as a bludgeon. 😂

I agree 100%, horrible optics to say "love is sharing a password" one day and crack down on the practice the next, really, really bad, again I agree.

BUT

It doesn't change the fact that they changed their minds. People do it all the time.

Also, it's not theft. You're breaking the terms of the agreement. That is not theft.

Wordsmithing. If you get account credentials from a friend and view Netflix content for free any reasonable person would call that theft.
 
I'm kinda curious about this. My girlfriend has netflix. She's round my house more than hers at weekends so have her Netflix login on a couple of my things. Clearly these will be different IPs and my devices. So are they likely to suddenly stop us watching Netflix most weekends when its her watching still? 🤔
In her case, she might be fine. I suspect it is a combination of IP addresses and device MAC addresses. If multiple IP addresses are accessing their service at the same time, they might check if there is a consistent MAC address that accesses from both IP locations (i.e. the traveling with a laptop issue, as the same MAC address will be used in different IP locations). As for your girlfriend's case, if she is accessing at your home's IP via a MAC address that does not move, but no one ever logs in at her main location's IP at the same time, then Netflix could interpret this as a household that owns multiple homes, and thus might be considered in compliance with their terms.

We'll have to see how it shakes out. But I suspect they've been testing an algorithm that utilizes both IP and MAC to try to avoid annoying valid customers...
 
Good, pay their price for their service or unsubscribe but sharing with those outside your household is against the TOS and analogous to theft.



Simple as that.
Why doesn’t Netflix ban all the accounts that share the account then?
Oh wait! That’ll be the end of their business.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me the number of people here that conveniently leave out the important parts to justify theft.


It states very clearly "A Netflix account is for people who live together in a single household. Learn more about sharing Netflix."

You agreed to this by using the service. I don't like it either but it is what it is. Netflix owns their content or the distribution rights to other content and can charge what they want for you to view that content.

You are not entitled to change their TOS to suit your personal feelings on the matter.
I didn't change Netflix's ToS though. Netflix/Reed Hastings did.

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"We love people sharing Netflix," CEO Reed Hastings said Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show here in Las Vegas. "That's a positive thing, not a negative thing."
 
I didn't change Netflix's ToS though. Netflix/Reed Hastings did.

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"We love people sharing Netflix," CEO Reed Hastings said Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show here in Las Vegas. "That's a positive thing, not a negative thing."

Agreed but if you continue to use their service you agree to their TOS as it stands. Doesn't matter who says what on Twitter.

Did they royally screw this up... yes. Are their tiers horribly marketed... yes. Does that mean people are free to make their own rules... no.
 
I agree 100%, horrible optics to say "love is sharing a password" one day and crack down on the practice the next, really, really bad, again I agree.

BUT

It doesn't change the fact that they changed their minds. People do it all the time.

Wordsmithing. If you get account credentials from a friend and view Netflix content for free any reasonable person would call that theft.
Yes, they most certainly can change their opinion. And they are well within their rights to enforce their TOS as written. But when your audience/customer base has become accustomed to a practice that is now used by the competition? Not a good change of mind.

Also, again: not theft. If I were to take those credentials without their knowing, you could make that argument, though nothing of actual, tangible value has been lost by the party account holder.

But if those credentials were freely given away? Still not theft.
 
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If you get account credentials from a friend and view Netflix content for free any reasonable person would call that theft.
Netflix and their right to enforce their TOS aside, I think you're very wrong about this. If a service is already paid for, most reasonable people absolutely do not care about where it's used geographically. At worst, it's seen as lending/borrowing. Lawyers, pedants, and Netflix execs? Sure, they'd call it theft.
 
This won't end well. 20 dollars for "Netflix Quality" is on life support as it stands for me. Now they want to charge 35% more? The only reason I tolerate Netflix is because my brother gets to use it and so do my parents. We are all in different house holds.
 
If Disney can offer 4K, 6 seats and better content at 1/2 the price so can Netflix.
Disney, Apple and Amazon will be the only ones left in 10 years or so… They have all the money in the world to burn on great content for a low price.

Then when all competition is dead, the prices will rise.

Netflix does need to make a (big) profit, where these other companies don’t. The only way to do that is by having some amazing exclusive content. Which they don’t really have enough of imo.
 
How will this work with phones on cellular that IP hop?

How will this work with VPNs or iCloud Private Relay?

How will this work for people who want to watch movies on their laptop or tablet on a work trip?

This will only hurt paying subscribers and pirates will always pirate. Time and time again it has been proven that if someone isn’t willing to pay for something, they won’t suddenly start paying just because they are losing access. And they’ll still seek it out elsewhere for free.

Mark my words: this will not end well for them. Last year I cancelled my $20/mo subscription for 4K. Had Netflix streaming since it debuted in 2008. It’s not anywhere worth the price anymore. They replaced actual content from reputable studios with in-house garbage and reality TV.
 
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