either you are in apples board or you are on crack... wtf you mean by loyalty to apple? paying 200 usd for 80usd value? that is not loyalty, that is stupidity.
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New 2014 Mac Mini Has Soldered RAM, Not User Replaceable
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either you are in apples board or you are on crack... wtf you mean by loyalty to apple? paying 200 usd for 80usd value? that is not loyalty, that is stupidity.
Yes, but many people (most people?) cannot be bothered to flog them. I always tried to give them away but never found any takers. I'm not willing to hassle with eBay.
Lots of assumptions without anything to back up your statement there, guy.
Tech savvy means just that, you're savvy. You're not necessary a certified expert of all things computer who can read binary like its a second language. But you're comfortable with them, and generally know the ins and outs of how they work.
As far as that goes, there are hundreds of millions of people out there who can qualify as being savvy.
That 2.8GHz model is indeed ridiculously priced. A grand for a dual core headless system is just too 2008 for most people.
I think most users would opt to run OSX rather than Windows on most Windows boxes. OSX and iOS is really what sells Apple hardware in my honest opinion.
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Lots? Really? Please enumerate the assumptions.
That's not savvy. That's dilettante.
LMAO!!!
The times I have done this operation in the past I have usually had another computer to put the old sticks in, so I have been able to let the RAM trickle down until the actually discarded sticks are too small to worry about.
Not that I wouldn't mind avoiding the hassle. We all know the old Apple scheme was not a great deal since it often left you with unwanted RAM after doing the third-party upgrade. But I'm not prepared to accept that the new and even worse deal they are offering us is okay just because it's not that much worse than the previous bad deal.
I'm willing to pay Apple an extra markup to avoid this hassle. And I'm okay with the extra markup being 100%. But that's where I draw the line. 200% is a long way past what I am comfortable with.
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honestly in my generation (I'm 25) 30 and younger,
upgrading you're computer before you buy a whole new one for 800-2,000 dollars is pretty common knowledge.
i don't think you have to be at all savvy per say. maybe if you're comparing bench marks yeah.
but more ram, more storage, etc is common knowledge. people may or may not need extra ram, but when their computer slows down they know it may help.
and this is especially with men. girls generally won't know as much, but thats as much as to cars as well.
i don't know how old the people are saying "tech savvy people only want upgradable ram and storage"
thats ridiculous, if you're not tech savvy the have more of an incentive to upgrade their current computer, rather then dishing out more money for a computer.
When i buy a MBP, or any laptop the max id wanna keep it is 4 years (of course i don't always have that luxury)
non tech savvy people want to keep it for more. my friend she had hers or 6-7 years a MacBook unibody, she already topped out on the ram, but she much rather just upgrade her macbook then get a new one.
but of course she was forced after trying all options. and this girl has no idea about computers. she just knows you can give computers upgrades.
i believe its common knowledge. maybe no if you're 40 or 50. but to the younger generation yes. it is.
For those of us using them as servers, there ARE scenarios where additional RAM would make a huge difference in how decisions are made. And even prior to this update they can be quite powerful little boogers, until you run into a RAM problem. It effects scalability, longevity, load-balancing, all kinds of things.
The top-end model is also now "top heavy" -- I can see running out of RAM many different ways before you'd ever peg the CPU. That's sad... and a 32GB option would solve that and please so many more folks.
Lastly, considering Apple's love of grossly overcharging for RAM and internal storage, I don't see why they wouldn't take the opportunity.
The Mac mini is just following the iMac 21.5" really, both entry levels are the same. Its unfortunate really, but to be expected I guess with Apple these days.
Apple has become a joke.
This isn't even redesigned to be thinner or 'sleeker' - no need for the soldered ram. but it's easier to cut costs and shove things you're already making anyway into different products.
Not even a quadcore option now. Wow.
This isn't even redesigned to be thinner or 'sleeker' - no need for the soldered ram. but it's easier to cut costs and shove things you're already making anyway into different products.
Not even a quadcore option now. Wow.
I own a imac twice before , but I don't want anymore. the problem is when your imac become outdated, application run slow but the monitor still working well . you might want to upgrade a new Mac, but not the monitor. iMac cause a lot of wasting. I just want a powerful Mac mini like iMac (not powerful as Mac pro ) to handle my photo editing. is it too hard for Apple ? who think a Mac mini must be an entry level product ? why?
Look at the number of people who have A+ certs, CCNAs, MSCEs, etc. etc. etc. Plus you have to consider programmers, web designers, graphic artists, engineers, video editors, scientists, architects, etc. etc. etc. I'm sure there are a helluva lot more than a million people out there who know how to use a computer.
But hey, that's beside the point. You made the statement, and now you're putting the burden on me to prove you wrong. That's not how it works. You have to back up what you say. Why do you believe there are less than a million people out there who use a computer?
No, it's savvyness. Think of it like this: how many people know how to drive a car? Some of them are actually pretty good at it, going years and years and years handling dangerous situations smoothly, and never once getting into a wreck.
Now how many of those people are race car drivers? Does the fact that there are so few race car drivers out there mean that only a rare, select few know how to drive a car?
OLOL!
Yes but using a computer as a tool, is not the same as having the tool itself as the prime objective.
Maybe for some. I really love most of apples hardware. I've only ever bought laptops from Apple and so far and imo you don't pay THAT much more for an apple laptop vs a similar PC laptop (at least last time I priced it out) but with Apple you always get way better exterior hardware (?) by that I mean the case, keyboard, MagSafe, design etc.
I do also love the OS...
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. No, not everyone is an expert, and there are a ton of misconceptions, but we've had an entire generation grow up with them, and now we're having kids who hav grown up in a world that's always had the internet around (makes you feel old, don't it
). To use the car analogy again (cuz they're dead on 100% of the time), not everyone is a mechanic, but just about everyone has a good idea of what a transmission does. It's the same way with computers these days.
First, knowing how to use a computer does not make a person tech savvy. I worked at Intel as a programmer on the circuit simulation software that the chip designers used to verify they weren't breaking anything as they iterated their designs (because fabricating silicon to test a design iteration would take weeks and cost a fortune). I would hesitate to call myself tech savvy.
Second, you asserted that my posts contained "lots of assumptions". I asked you to enumerate those assumptions. I'm still waiting. You made the "lots of assumptions" assertion, so the burden is on you to back it up.
Very true. But at the same time, using the tool usually requires a basic knowledge of how it works. It isn't universally true, but generally it is.
They'll know enough that if things start getting chuggy for them, they'll open up the Activity Monitor, look at it, then say "yeah, I need more ram". That's a level of savvyness that shows you know about computers, while not necessarily denoting a deep level of expertise.
But that's mostly software, I mean you need to know how to turn it on and so on but..
Not all applications need a lot of memory, nor does it say anything about how capable the user is I think.
You have a higher standard of tech savvyness than I do. And by your standards, you're right. Only people with Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, Linus Torvalds levels of knowledge would be considered savvy. And there probably are less than a million people out there who can claim that.
I sure as hell wouldn't be savvy by your standards, that's for sure. But I consider myself at least somewhat savvy by my definition, because I understand the basics, I'm comfortable with them. I look at savvyness as a far more basic, general thing, and there are a lot more people like me than there are Richard Stallman.
It's being knowledgeable, without being a complete expert on the subject. Like being an educated layman, I guess.
I was calling into question your assertion that there are less than a million people out there who truly know computers. You made a bold statement, and I basically said "yeah, back it up". So the burden still falls on you.
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But that's mostly software, I mean you need to know how to turn it on and so on but..
Not all applications need a lot of memory, nor does it say anything about how capable the user is I think.
We could argue this down to the minutiae if you really wanted to, but I'm still gonna stand by my statement that not everyone is a complete idiot when it comes to computers. There are a lot of knowledgeable people out there, and historically, those people have bought Macs.
Yes we could, but none of the above points is what we are arguing about, at least not me. I agree with the quote above.
Think of it like this: you have a guy who uses Solidworks to design complicated pieces of machinery involving thousands of moving parts. He obviously has some higher education to be able to do this, and has been around computers for a number of years.
Now this doesn't mean he's some sort of tech genius, who can write his own OS from scratch using Assembly. But he'll know his way around Windows. Know what drivers are. All that good stuff. If you ask him what kind of computer he needs for his job, chances are good he'll list off some specs off the top of his head, knowing how they all work together, and why he needs what he says he needs.
This is a level of knowledge a lot of people have. Far, far more than a mere million. It's not deep level stuff, but it's easily enough to call the guy savvy about computers.
I didn't actually post that to invite to more arguments lol. But ok, to me a lot of this comes across as hand waving. The size of your computer or the amount of RAM you have say very little about how capable your are, or how tech savvy you are, or how hard the problems you work with are.
You brought up Torvalds previously, well here's an interview with him where he mentions that he uses a MacBook Air.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/19/an...ium-technology-prize-finalist-linus-torvalds/
That would definitely not be the case in the U.S.
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Desktops have no excuse for this, but laptops do. It's even worse because some people use the mini as a server. The new mini (thanks for not capitalizing the "m", as it should be) isn't even smaller than the old one, so there's absolutely no excuse about sleekness to be made either.
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