There’s no PCI controller on the M2 setup. The SSD directly integrates with the logic board. There’s also no traditional on-the-SSD NVME controller; the logic board handles that, too.
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New 256GB Mac Mini and 512GB MacBook Pro Have Slower SSD Speeds Than Previous Models
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Not even a question; I'd do that in a heartbeat; you re-up your warranty, ensure another few years of MacOS support, get a mild uptick and the latest model, and you have the chance to buy more RAM / storage if you wanted it.
It is not about Sequential read/write speed, it iis all about random read and write with Queue depth. That determine the speed of the SSD. I am surprised how ignorant you are in this area, Nobody read/write multi gb of data on a disk unless you are copying from another disk on thunderbolt 4, which have a limit of 3.5 gb/s. Developers such as myself would much rather copy content to RAM then read/write to RAM then flush it when finished..
My use can vary, from just some browsing (which is starting to slow down with my entry-level 15-inch MBP late 2016 w/Touchbar), small Windows VMs, small Fusion 360 projects and occasionally some 4K video editing. Side by side in the table, I prefer the 16-inch bigger screen, trackpad and better speakers but I don't know if I'll appreciated the more tickness and weight compared to mine. I also have a pretty powerfull desktop but Windows is annoying me and I want to use the MacBook with my desk setup (4K monitor + 2K monitor + other periferics). I can't use my current MacBook since it doesn't even support a single 4K monitor @ 60Hz (just 30Hz).
The 16-inch MBP that I bought is an entry-level configuration and it only has 16GB of memory. Faster storage should improve the swapping if I'm going to saturate the memory (rarely, I don't think I need 32GB of memory).
The 16-inch MBP with 1TB of storage is 3.329€ in Italy and it's too much for me.
This. Exactly this. THIS is what we should be comparing [and differences in application performance, which it appears nobody can point to any differences...], not pointless top speed bits that don't matter outside of Black Magic.
Sure you can. https://support.apple.com/kb/SP749?locale=en_US - up to 5k at 60hz & 4k at 60hz too ... sounds like you need to look at the cable you're using.
There was a 6gb ram M1 Mac mini? I have only seen 8gb as the base config. Is this another shill post?
If apple didn’t charge insane amounts to upgrade storage / ram on a SOC based system, a lot of whining would be gone. Fact is product / marketing always wins over engineering nowadays. The bean counters reign supreme.
I'm using the USB-C cable provided with the monitor (Huawei MateView). I have the basic Radeon Pro 450 that already was weak at launch. It starts to thermal throttle also just with "complex" browsing, replacing the thermal paste didn't solve the issue.
The embedded monitor is starting to have some backlight issues and the keyboard (even after several replacement) has already broken and out-of-warranty.
I could get a Mac Mini but I prefer to spend more and replace the MacBook, so I have just a device that I can bring elsewhere.
I suggest you replace the cable. The Macbook Pro 15" 2016 is fully capable of 60 hz 4k and 5k output.
The M2 mini is my 'desktop WFH Mac' (connected to ASD) that will primarily be used for MS Office apps, Teams, Zoom, Remote Desktop as well as media consumption, web browsing, etc. So I wanted a cool and quiet Mac since I do not need the extra power of the Pro. I have a loaded 16" MacBook Pro for heavy lifting.
My 1TB/24GB M2 Mac mini has been cool to the touch and dead silent since I received it yesterday - all through the entire setup process, downloading tons of iCloud data, installing 50+ apps and throughout the Venture 13.2 update. Either the fan never came on, or it's running and such a low speed that I can't hear it (even with my ear close to the mini).
In terms of the 1TB SSD speed, while it sucks that it's half the speed as the Pro (3k vs 6k), watching gigs and gigs of data transfer in a speedy flash from my Thunderbolt external drive to the M2 mini assured me that the SSD speed is more than enough for me and my M2 mini use-case. If I were a video editor, or did similar work, I'd get the Pro for sure.
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It's not a cable problem, other users reported the same problem with the same MacBook and monitor
Exactly. This is why anytime something is nowhere to be seen in the description/specs, I'm researching the crap out of it
The 14" has 2 x 256 nand chips not 1 x 512. Probably same for the 16".
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It would be nice if the customer got some free Vaseline with the Apple products when they buy them. It would hurt less to know you've been ripped off.
And we should note that the random numbers for the 512 SSD are the same as the 1TB SSD.
I don't think Apple's published specs are wrong. Is there a firmware update from your monitor vendor to address their issue?
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Have you tried, as I said, replacing the cable with a known good cable that has worked with other systems for video output, 4k @ 60hz?
Likely Apple is backed into a corner. It needs to provide a quality product at a competitive price, it also needs to serve the shareholder. Given the current global economy Apple likely doesn't want to overly increase pricing as it will only serve to deter sales.
If in the USA pricing is reasonable if not discounted for the smart buyer. While the US is a very significant market, Apple is a globalised company and the prices of Mac's are spiralling in many regions. Franky that neither serves Apple or the customer.
The reduction in Nand chips is likely one of the lesser evils, and for the average user on the base models near to zero impact.
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If in the USA pricing is reasonable if not discounted for the smart buyer. While the US is a very significant market, Apple is a globalised company and the prices of Mac's are spiralling in many regions. Franky that neither serves Apple or the customer.
The reduction in Nand chips is likely one of the lesser evils, and for the average user on the base models near to zero impact.
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He got a basic single fact wrong, and then you went on the attack. That's just silly. The rest of his points were all entirely correct, which you'd know and you'd acknowledge if you were willing to have an open, clear mind about this.
It's still greed.
This **** is made in China on the cheap. Apple's profits are through the roof.
Corporate greed is a "pretty easy concept to understand".
Production cost is increasing in China as are workers expectations of salary, Apple is compelled to serve the shareholder as a publicly traded company. Global inflation has been on the rise for a good while, all easily understandable.
Why do you think they are using single Nand chips, to be cheap or keep pricing reasonable? Companies at this scale look at every single cent of profit and loss as they have no alternative, Apple is no different.
Where Apple is egregious is the in-house upgrades, the base models tend to offer reasonable value, but that's the game. We as the customer's don't like it, but it is what it is...
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SATA caps out at only 600 MB/s. That’s only about 1/3 of these “slow” drives
It’s much more than twice as fast. It’s about 10 times faster than a standard HDD, and even the fastest cap out around 220 MB/s. And that’s for sequential. For small 4K reads and writes, these drives are literally 50-1,000 times faster than HDDs.
That’s incorrect. There are no 512GB drives with less than two. On the MBP, the 1TB upgrade would give you 4, and is $200 not $400.
None of the 512 GB drives are single NAND. Some people do not realize that motherboards have two sides.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Not sure where I found that info though I did a double-check and corrected the post I did following your feedback. I also added the extra benefits of an upgrade that I initially omitted for the sake of simplicity (Bluetooth 5.3, Thunderbolt 4 and HDMI 2.1, Wi-Fi 6E) I would, however, avoid giving intention to a post, like you seem to be doing, on the basis of getting a single fact wrong, it would be akin to disregarding a product evolution over the fact of a single spec being downgraded, in some specific configuration, and refusing to see the bigger picture of how it truly impact user experience…
the $1699 [Costco, until 1-31] Studio model, so I might as well [one must reach their own conclusion, but $300 off is pretty good...]
FTFY.
I stand corrected. Just saw the new Max Tech video where they confirm your findings on the 14" MacBook M2 Pro & Max.
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