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As a share holder it's great to see they finally elimiated that last user upgradable piece. Now if they would just up the prices on upgrades from 400% margins to something like 1000% margins it would really be great!

I say equip the base models with 1gb of ram and 5400 rpm hhd haha.


For real tho are they just testing how far they can push their loyal customers?
 
I bought a Mac because I hated Windows. It's been a struggle, though because Mac hardware is so damn limited in choices, but once in awhile they would release something decent and the notebooks were often quite good (as long as you didn't expect a gaming machine). But make no mistake, it is the Operating System that makes Macs special. That is why I've put up with a lot of crap from Apple in the past, but let's face it, that only gets you so far, especially when Windows 10 isn't anywhere near as awful as something like Vista was and it even has many OS features now that Macs and Linux had cornered (e.g. Spaces/Mission Control functionality) and have now gone ahead with Cortana while Siri is nowhere to be found in El Capitan. Microsoft has pulled ahead of Apple in many areas and stability and lack of malware is about all that's left. Other features have gotten worse over the years (i.e. Perian + Quick look used to equal AWESOME but when Apple changed Quicktime to AVFoundation in "Quicktime X" it's like its now OS X's cheap cousin or something. "You should convert all those 'old' formats". Yeah, why should I have to? You lose quality when you convert lossy formats into other lossy formats.

Apple is losing site of the forest for a few damn trees (called quick profits rather than quick look) on almost every front. Tim Cook is a business man interested in profits (buy-backs, dividends and features like a stylus that Steve Jobs hated and would never support.) It's sad, but unless things change, I'm afraid Apple is headed in the wrong direction at best and has its days numbered as a desktop OS (I'm sure phones will continue unabated for quite some time). The sad thing is I don't think Tim Cook really cares one way or another. I believe people under him could fix the situation, but that would mean getting past Jony Ive's massive EGO and getting back to the rationality of someone like Scott Forestall who got iScrewed by Apple over something beyond his control (i.e. you can't make Maps perfect overnight).

Come to the darkside! Windows 10 isn't so bad. I know. :)

I spend most of my time in Chrome, Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom and Premiere, Microsoft Word and Excel, etc... which are the same sorta programs I'd use on a Mac. And that's why we use computers... to run programs... right? You don't really notice the OS once you're working inside an app.

There are, of course, plenty of nifty little Mac-only utilities... but I never feel like I'm "missing" something on Windows.

And the best part... I upgraded my tower and got a new motherboard, CPU, RAM and a cooler for around $800. The machine is a beast! I kept my case, power supply, video card and monitors (which I got to choose myself from a previous build... no one will tell me what hardware I can and cannot use!)

I'm not exactly sure where it ranks compared to an iMac or Mac Pro... but it's still a beast and it didn't cost an arm and a leg. Intel i7-4790K and 16GB of RAM. BEAST

Mac laptops are amazing... but Apple's desktops leave a lot to be desired. They're either too small (Mac Mini)... too much (Mac Pro)... or possibly the wrong form-factor (iMac all-in-one)

I guess that's why people have been begging for the mythical headless xMac for years. Surprise... there are some people who want desktop-class CPU and GPU at an affordable price. They don't want appliances built with non-upgradable laptop parts.

If you're a Mac user who wants a desktop computer... unfortunately you have some oddball choices.
 
Wow their really trying to kill off the desktop. Sad because no matter how much apple thinks the iPad doesn't replace the desktop.
 
What's the point of soldering the memory? To avoid a cold-boot attack or to reap more profits?
 
Apple needs to do something about their pricing. It is getting ridiculous. In Australia, $1600 is what it costs for the base model. That to me is just nuts. I would consider $1100 to be a fair price for a base model imac.
 
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What's the point of soldering the memory? To avoid a cold-boot attack or to reap more profits?
  • Lower production costs (no sockets = less parts)
  • Lower space requirements
  • Higher Reliability (every non-soldered connector has a higher failure risk)
  • Less hardware design effort (only one type/maker of memory, with well-known specs)
  • Part availability (e.g. Ram type only available for soldered use)
 
What's the point of soldering the memory? To avoid a cold-boot attack or to reap more profits?

Only a very small percentage (like single digit or less) will ever upgrade their RAM or hard drive. So if you can save a couple cents by not having to pay for the slot used with removable RAM and can cut down tech issues (RAM can loosen in the slots causing problems), then why not.

People here need to stop assuming their own use is the norm. Normal people don't take to the internet to discuss technical capabilities of computers. They just buy a computer with the options they need and use it. They don't care about how fast the processor is or how much RAM it has as long as they can check Facebook, send email, and maybe do some word processing when required. If you're on this forum, you make up a very small percentage of the non-normal user. Apple didn't make the iMac for you. They made it for the other 99% that buy a machine and use it as-is without ever having a need to upgrade a thing. If they need more hard drive space, they buy an external rather than complain that the internal options are too expensive/limited.
 
Apple needs to do something about their pricing. It is getting ridiculous. In Australia, $1600 is what it costs for the base model. That to me is just nuts. I would consider $1100 to be a fair price for a base model imac.

The original iMac was $1200 US and that was 17 years ago. Adjusted for inflation it would be $1,754.47. So this isn't a bad deal.
 
The stand (that doesn't allow for up and down in height) still sucks!

it was even worse on the 30inch ACD as the top edge was so high above eye-level it game me serious eye strain. a quick trip on a mates CNC router fixed it though... I present the franken-monitor... it's not pretty but its a lot better to work on, and from the front you can't tell anything is wrong


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I may be old, but do you really need 16GB->64GB RAM? What is it used for?
Or is software bloated today?

I got an imac in 2002 with 256MB and I upgraded to 768MB. It could do everything people do today including photoshop, office, and videoediting. Only encoding video was slow, but that has to do with the G4 processor (encoding is still slow today AFAIK).
 
Even with 64GB of RAM, Safari will not be snappy and will still reload tabs.
 
Why is Apple RAM and SSD more expensive than the very same product from the manufacturer?
 
Having just completed some upgrade work on my 2002 G4 Powermac, I am saddened to see yet an other Apple system go to soldered memory.



I may be old, but do you really need 16GB->64GB RAM? What is it used for?
Or is software bloated today?

I got an imac in 2002 with 256MB and I upgraded to 768MB. It could do everything people do today including photoshop, office, and videoediting. Only encoding video was slow, but that has to do with the G4 processor (encoding is still slow today AFAIK).

There are plenty of great responses on this subject within this discussion already. In addition to those, you also need to remember that modern software is 64Bit, (can address 4gb and more memory), and is capable of swapping vast amounts of memory with the processor without touching (much slower) disks. Additionally, Each processor core requires a slice of the available memory to function, as well as any active hyper thread (consider it a virtual processor).

Software is also much more complex, and is designed to run more from active memory than previous versions (to some extent).

Wow who woulda thunk ram cost that much?

Probably some magical Apple RAM.

It's before our time, but people used to pay MUCH more than that for 1MB of Memory, back in the early computer days. One of the reasons the 1st macintosh had only 128kb of memory.

We really have it easy now!
 
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Wow who woulda thunk ram cost that much?

it's 16GB modules - those are still pretty expensive, so those prices are not really over the top. of course, you'd only need the 16GB modules for the 64GB configuration. a 32GB kit consisting of 4x8GB Modules should be around $300.
 
Anyone speculating on the chances of apple upping the max ram to 32gb on the macbook pros? I've been stuck at 16 for almost 5 years, and after effects is only getting hungrier!
 
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