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Spend some time on iFixit answers! Sadly, they do fail! Mostly on systems with heavy data churn with too little storage or too little free space!

The upside of Fusion drives was that they had much more capacity ( slower , but more ). Coupled with Apple's $300-400 per TB pricing on SSD more than few iMac 27" users are going to push more data into smaller capacities.

Apple's prices are high. If Apple could show that uses were paying for a higher endurance rating ( getting MLC or better like endurance versus many other TLC ), but they hide the spec. Users could make more informed choices if had that spec also ( very high scratch space write rates ... go to separate drive ). Also perhaps some users would deliberately abuse the internal SSD less if had some idea of the cap.
 
Apple cares heavily about security and privacy. That includes physical security. It used to be that, if you could gain physical access to the computer, you would gain access to the contents/files of the drive. This is no longer the case thanks to the T2 chip. This doesn't necessitate the modules being soldered on, but there are likely performance benefits and manufacturing benefits to Apple, learned from the laptop lineup, and originally a goal of designing smaller and lighter laptops.
 
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Does the average person really have to worry about someone ripping a HD out of their computer though?

I'd rather have expandability and cheap options to replace. No reason for non-replaceable, non-removable storage in a desktop.

No, but Apple isn't going to make SKUs just for enterprise deployments. From their thinking: why not pass the benefit of physical security to everyone? This addresses the ask from enterprise customers who deploy iMacs, Macbooks, etc., reduces SKUs, and improves physical security for all.
 
So, I just ordered a new 2020 iMac with 4 TB SSD. Can someone explain to ignorant me: If I want to add more internal SSD storage in the future I can open the machine and install additional third party SSD in the available connector? Thank you in advance!
 
And how will most "customers back up their files on a regular basis"?

With an unencrypted portable drive attached via usb.

Vast majority of Macs are laptops. Not many users are hauling around their back up drives in mobile contexts.

But even in a desktop (literal or static laptop), house setting given the choice between stealing the $50 HDD and the $1,700 desktop which one is a they are going to steal? Unless actually information thieves , they will more likely take the more expensive device. Fencing a $50 device isn't going to buy much. Unless it is a relatively large 'crew' and/or had tons of time to leisurely pilfer the location theft is usually a relatively quick "snatch , grab, and go". The longer they linger the more likely they get caught.


Can also detach and put in a drawer or small safe an HDD.

If attach a new Time Machine drive in modern times it mentions if you want to encrypt it.
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It is basically a simple checkbox now. ( if not checked already by default. )


Sure many people will skip it ( as many more will just skip doing the local backup ). But it is trying to point at a shrinking corner case.
 
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No, but Apple isn't going to make SKUs just for enterprise deployments. From their thinking: why not pass the benefit of physical security to everyone? This addresses the ask from enterprise customers who deploy iMacs, Macbooks, etc., reduces SKUs, and improves physical security for all.

If Apple wanted to they could keep the iMac Pro ( and NAND "modules") and 'Enterprise' price tag. Having the T2 ( or later T2 encapsulated inside Apple Silicon) doesn't mean they have to solder the NAND chips to the logic board. They already don't on the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.

It isn't all that necessary on the Mac Mini ( if its footprint was just incrementally bigger. and still use same 'modules' from the other two. )

As mentioned earlier in this story's thread, soldered only is more about robot labor ( i.e, cheaper for Apple, not the end user ) than in enhancing security.
 
So, I just ordered a new 2020 iMac with 4 TB SSD. Can someone explain to ignorant me: If I want to add more internal SSD storage in the future I can open the machine and install additional third party SSD in the available connector? Thank you in advance!

Short answer is no. Apple doesn’t use the m.2 connector, they use a proprietary connector. Also, the SSD modules are simply NAND chips and probably buffer DRAM, with the T2 chip on the logic board acting as the SSD controller. No one else does it this way.
 
I get what you are saying, but I was referring to Apple (the company) and their claim to be ultra focused on the environment. In reality, the practice of making products unrepairable or upgradable (to sell more products) is unquestionably NOT good for the environment.
My only point on the topic is that repair-ability and being environmentally responsible aren’t connected in my mind. One is about “continuing to obtain useful life out of a system”, the other is about “how it’s made and how do you take care of it at the end of it’s life”. Somewhere between Use and Recover, the responsible person that will replace their RAM and recycle that old RAM or replace the SSD and recycle the old SSD is the same person that will take their computer back to Apple for recycling. As long as the computer gets back to Apple, there’s a chance for it’s materials to make it into another Apple product. Which is best for the environment, I think.

In between Use and Recover are a lot of folks that may dispose of computers improperly. Either they upgrade an aging system now and throw the old RAM in the trash, OR reach the useful end of life of the computer and throw the whole thing in the trash. But, for a responsible person, a system being unrepairable only means they buy a new system and properly recycle the old one. Apple is ABSOLUTELY making more money from people needing to buy a new computer, but that computer they buy is just as good for the environment as the last one. But, that only matters if the purchaser cares about the environment :)
 
On top of that, these are iMacs! You can easily plug in cheap external storage, and since the machines typically stay in one place it's not inconvenient like it would be on a Macbook.

I'm still irritated by everything being soldered down, but it's not as big a deal as it was in the past. If Apple bothered to use an industry standard like M.2, it would be a bigger loss, but they don't anyway.

it wouldn't be that difficult to have a trapdoor like cutout - similarly to the memory slots - that would enable one to access a m.2 or a proprietary connector to install/replace the SSD. it would not compromise the beauty of the machine - but it would increase manufacturing costs. i agree, adding fast storage to iMacs via tb3 isn't a big deal.
 
So get an iMac over a Mac Mini for the sleek design and lack of wires, then attach a bunch of stuff to it and put wires everywhere?

I'd actually consider this less of an issue on a Mac Mini because you're already buying a separate device there. but when you're buying an AIO form factor - forcing any expansion to be done on the outside is less forgivable.

I have 6 external drives Velcro'd to the back of my iMac. I don't see a single wire from where I'm sitting.
 
Short answer is no. Apple doesn’t use the m.2 connector, they use a proprietary connector. Also, the SSD modules are simply NAND chips and probably buffer DRAM, with the T2 chip on the logic board acting as the SSD controller. No one else does it this way.
Thanks!
 
Years ago, opening up a chassis and installing a bigger hard disk felt like huge advantage. These days, not really. For the average consumer, if you have 512 GBs, it’s more than sufficient for what you will likely do. When I bought my MacBook Pro in 2015, I consciously went with the mid range model that had 256 GBs. I sure wish I could have chosen more since I do use VMs from time to time and just space running out on the device requires a little more work.
Lucky you. On the 2015 mbp you an upgrade the drive with high speed NVMe drives, which is why I got one in 2018. Check out the guides in the forums.
 
Does anyone know why Apple forces you to have 256GB of storage on the base model? I mean, they don't offer any BTO storage options. But you can add 128GB RAM and 10Gb Ethernet. What kind of machine would have 128GB RAM and only 256GB of storage??
 
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That would be incorrect. My 2008 Mac Pro‘s graphics card failed and I was able to replace it. I increased RAM from 16GB to 32GB and added/changed internal storage several times over its’ ten-year life. It was a great system that was VERY repairable by me.

You’re talking about the Mac Pro, designed and intended to be the most expandable and configurable Mac. Every other product other than the Mac Pro (and G4 Cube) has been designed to be closed off.
 
Does anyone know why Apple forces you to have 256GB of storage on the base model? I mean, they don't offer any BTO storage options. But you can add 128GB RAM and 10Gb Ethernet. What kind of machine would have 128GB RAM and only 256GB of storage??
Probably because they have set configurations for sale. There's been a virus in China and the rest of the world that's playing havoc with production. For $200 more you get double the storage (512 GB) and upgraded processor.
 
Given this info then if you're looking at the 2Tb you might be better off with the 4Tb just to have the option to upgrade in the future or for easier repairs.
Either way its always good to have a backup, maybe 2.
 
This was my first thought. What an ass-backwards setup. Hey, if you buy our BIGGEST models, you can make them even bigger!

Silly.
I kinda understand it. There’s the vast majority of folks that buy computers and never do anything, never add memory, never upgrade the drive, they just use it until they’re done, and go get another one. That’s who the low end ones are for. Anyone buying a 256G computer are doing so because it’s what they’ve always gotten as has always been enough. They probably never filled up the 64G on their LAST computer and are wondering why they’re being forced to buy so much!

Anyone that has already amassed more than 256G of data on their current drive is the kind of person that MIGHT actually take advantage of the ability to upgrade in the future as they continue to amass data. That’s still a big might, though. So, probably so Apple could standardize on a higher tier MB where the storage amounts differ for BTO purposes.
 
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Mac rumors posters: Apple needs to do something with the macs. The iMac design hasn’t changed in over 10 years, it’s ugly and old. Tim clearly doesn’t care about us actual computer users.
Next year when Apple redesigns the iMac:
Mac Rumors posters: omg you can’t upgrade the ram anymore? You can’t upgrade the storage? Clearly this is just a cash grab, there was nothing wrong with the old design. Tim just cares about money and thinness
Unfortunately, the Mac Rumors posters are correct on both counts. Not sure why you're trying to make out like they are wrong.
 
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