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you would fool to spend $400 dollar extra for base M2 model that is slower than base M1 MacBook Air...

It's not though. I have tested it against the M1 MBA, the M2 MBA is faster in everything. Not significantly in some cases, but still faster. So many real-world tests others have done also prove it is faster.

Fast enough that you should be jumping on the M2? No.

And they have made other improvements to the keyboard, display, camera and so on. It's down to individual choice whether those and the new design are enough for each person but everyone has choices.

Side by side with my wife's M1 MBA there are clear improvements across the board. Personally, I don't think anyone should be rushing to upgrade from the M1 unless they have a desire to, it's still a great machine.
 
But this should not happen in first place. Apple has audacity to charge more for a new product that is actually slower than old product. I don't think this should be overlooked, frankly.

If what you do is not actually that demanding, why would you need spend that kind of money for something you don't need?

Because I can and I want a new MacBook.

It’ll be the same for many others so just because I want to browse the web and watch Disney plus, doesn’t mean I have to buy an acer.

Just because you think a $1000+ laptop is only for 8K video editing, doesn’t mean the rest of the world does.

It’s a MacBook Air aimed at the average user, Not the Pro users. Something MANY reviewers have FAILED to understand.
 
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Just in case anyone was wondering what the speakers are like, they're worse than the M1. Definite backwards step, not even subjective IMO. Heard them both side by side this morning in Curry's (UK electrical store).
I like the form factor though: I'm definitely not nailing myself to a cross just because they've abandoned the wedge design. Two refreshes from now, this is what people will just accept MBAs look like and the door-wedge form factor will date the M1 and earlier models. Screen was brighter.
 
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Just in case anyone was wondering what the speakers are like, they're worse than the M1. Definite backwards step, not even subjective IMO. Heard them both side by side this morning in Curry's (UK electrical store).

I thought that when comparing to our M1 MBA, but I am not so sure now. They are in a different position and I suspect that is the issue. The quality is the same, some suggest better than the M1 others not. But I think it is where they have positioned them on the M2 vs M1 that is causing the difference. I think they should have left them where they were.

To me, they sound fine, but then I am no audiophile.
 
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Because I can and I want a new MacBook.

It’ll be the same for many others so just because I want to browse the web and watch Disney plus, doesn’t mean I have to buy an acer.

Just because you think a $1000+ laptop is only for 8K video editing, doesn’t mean the rest of the world does.

It’s a MacBook Air aimed at the average user, Not the Pro users. Something MANY reviewers have FAILED to understand.

You can and you want DOES not mean you should. This is complete waste of money. I CANNOT understand why would you want to do that.

And what is wrong with Acer? I have my oldest PC which I brought around 2006, and it is still turning on and functioning correctly. And my most recent Acer with Skylake processor runs just as fast as any Skylake based Mac.

We are in a complete wasteful society where people think it is okay just to dump a completely useful system because fancier new things.

I cannot change you and I cannot change other people. I will continue use my old Intel system, because it just serve me fine.
 
You can and you want DOES not mean you should. This is complete waste of money. I CANNOT understand why would you want to do that.

And what is wrong with Acer? I have my oldest PC which I brought around 2006, and it is still turning on and functioning correctly. And my most recent Acer with Skylake processor runs just as fast as any Skylake based Mac.

We are in a complete wasteful society where people think it is okay just to dump a completely useful system because fancier new things.

I cannot change you and I cannot change other people. I will continue use my old Intel system, because it just serve me fine.
2006? That’s so recent! Why did you get rid of your older stuff? How dare you be so wasteful!

I mean, what could people possibly need to do in their workloads to justify anything, I don’t know, built in the last 3 years? Only everything.
 
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Just in case anyone was wondering what the speakers are like, they're worse than the M1. Definite backwards step, not even subjective IMO. Heard them both side by side this morning in Curry's (UK electrical store).
I like the form factor though: I'm definitely not nailing myself to a cross just because they've abandoned the wedge design. Two refreshes from now, this is what people will just accept MBAs look like and the door-wedge form factor will date the M1 and earlier models. Screen was brighter.
It is subjective. What you stated was your opinion not fact. In my opinion, the speakers sound much better than my M1 MBA.
 
2006? That’s so recent! Why did you get rid of your older stuff? How dare you be so wasteful!

I mean, what could people possibly need to do in their workloads to justify anything, I don’t know, built in the last 3 years? Only everything.

It is still being used as Linux laptop right now.
 
It is subjective. What you stated was your opinion not fact. In my opinion, the speakers sound much better than my M1 MBA.
That just tells me you prefer a barely-there indistinct bass, an ill-defined soundstage that varies depending how much you tilt the screen (because the speakers rely upon bouncing sound off it) whereas the M1's soundstage was almost 3D, and a very rolled-off top end, which again, varies depending on how you tilt the screen. Which of course is your preference, but in no way is it objectively better.

We'll just have to be adult and agree to disagree.
 
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That just tells me you prefer a barely-there indistinct bass, an ill-defined soundstage that varies depending how much you tilt the screen (because the speakers rely upon bouncing sound off it) whereas the M1's soundstage was almost 3D, and a very rolled-off top end, which again, varies depending on how you til the screen. Which is your preference, but in no way is it objectively better.

We'll just have to be adult and agree to disagree.
You don’t know what I prefer. I have practical expectations with sound coming from a laptop. I am not expecting theater quality. We disagree and that is fine.
 
My wife is taking my Midnight M2 MBA 8/10/8/512 back for me. 8GB Ram isn't going to cut it. They have a space grey 8/10/16/1TB in stock, so will swap it with that. Only money right @Aoligei ?
 
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an ill-defined soundstage that varies depending how much you tilt the screen (because the speakers rely upon bouncing sound off it) whereas the M1's soundstage was almost 3D, and a very rolled-off top end, which again, varies depending on how you tilt the screen.
This sums up what I would have said had I understood what I wanted to say :)
 
My wife is taking my Midnight M2 MBA 8/10/8/512 back for me. 8GB Ram isn't going to cut it. They have a space grey 8/10/16/1TB in stock, so will swap it with that. Only money right @Aoligei ?
That's what I fear and have seen reviewers state the same M2 needs the dual channel 512 SSD & 16GB RAM to get the best out of the SOC, versus the M1 which could manage with 256/8. At such pricing the 14" MBP simply cant be ignored as it brings more features & performance to the table at the cost of some portability for just around $100 more for me at Apple's pricing....

I'll stick with the M1 and look at the details when the 14" moves up a gen or workload demand's more performance. MKBHD is correct the major issue with the M2 Air is the price...

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MKBHD is correct the major issue with the M2 Air is the price...

Absolutely, it's just priced all wrong. But I am Sticking with it. The 14" has more features and is the better value. But as I travel far and wide the lower weight makes a difference, to me at least, so does the longer battery life. I have to go upwards to ensure it gives me the best performance and more than I need which prices above the MBP 14, that is just wrong.
 
Absolutely, it's just priced all wrong. But I am Sticking with it. The 14" has more features and is the better value. But as I travel far and wide the lower weight makes a difference, to me at least, so does the longer battery life. I have to go upwards to ensure it gives me the best performance and more than I need which prices above the MBP 14, that is just wrong.
TBH if an M2 Air was my primary I'd spend, not happily but for the same reasons as I value the portability and battery life. Coming from the M1 13" it's not worth it for me at this present time.

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That's what I fear and have seen reviewers state the same M2 needs the dual channel 512 SSD & 16GB RAM to get the best out of the SOC, versus the M1 which could manage with 256/8. At such pricing the 14" MBP simply cant be ignored as it brings more features & performance to the table at the cost of some portability for just around $100 more for me at Apple's pricing....

I'll stick with the M1 and look at the details when the 14" moves up a gen or workload demand's more performance. MKBHD is correct the major issue with the M2 Air is the price...

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So watched the video, was good.. there are no issues with 512gb right? and he was saying there are minimal issues with 256 for most..
 
Then why not increase the base model to 512? Doubt Apple has too many issues with supply or pricing given the volume & status. If I opted for a base M2 Air I'd be seeing a downgrade in performance versus my M1 MBP. If coming from an older Intel Mac likely ok for basic use, however the reduced flexibility of the base models is pretty well illustrated as the YT channel is showing reasonable real world tasks not just repeated benchmarks.

Had Apple gone with the duel channel 512 drive they would have gained a lot of favour. I suspect they don't want the M2 Air & MBP to be too close to the more expensive 14" & 16" MBP as many bought the original M1's as stopgap yet found them more than powerful enough so never upgraded.

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to me this is super simple... apple knows anyone serious will buy the 16g and 512 model anyway, basically same price as the soon to be outdated 14 pro
 
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