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I think the most shocking detail is that Apple approved that snake oil in the first place. Leave that stuff with the Android fans.
 
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Could someone explain to me why kids at age 13 or under can't use face ID? I like a rationale answer here. Safety issue? Predatorial-stuff issue? Or is it because they'll buy stuff without letting their parents know?
Probably because it would violate COPPA in the U.S. without additional messaging to age check the user.
Doesn't COPPA only apply to Online/Web-based services? FaceID is supposed to be stored ONLY on the device right? I would think that COPPA applies, my guess is that FaceID has a harder time authenticating kids for some reason, and apple thought 13 was a good cutoff.
 
Doesn't COPPA only apply to Online/Web-based services? FaceID is supposed to be stored ONLY on the device right? I would think that COPPA applies, my guess is that FaceID has a harder time authenticating kids for some reason, and apple thought 13 was a good cutoff.
This is what I don't understand. Web based service vs.. data being stored on device. It sounds more like security reason.
 
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Whats to keep a 13 year old from lying about his age ?

Basically, their parents. (Yeah, I know...)

The App Store checks the date of birth associated with the Apple ID, along with any parental restrictions on the device.

If the child has his/her own Apple ID account (rather than using the family's account), either someone lied about the child's age when setting up the account, or not. COPPA is the reason the under-13 account category exists in the first place - try putting in the correct date of birth for an under-13-year-old on a "standard" account, and see what happens. The only way to enter the correct age for an under-13-year-old is to create a child account under Family Sharing, which gives parents ask-to-buy.
 
I wish they would make it policy for Developers to put what they are changing on updates.

I dislike that the likes of Facebook get to put updates and just tell me it contains 'features and improvements'. I'd like to know exactly what they've decided to do.
 
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I'm a long time apple user (Mac 128 was my first computer) and for a long time I lived with no virus checker. But I am also involved a bit with cryptocurrency and this has made me paranoid about security and so five or six years ago I started running Bitdefender virus checks.

I do periodically catch microsoft virus in files. And I have been around long enough to see Mac Viruses come out and Apple being slow to create patches. Personally I don't expect to ever catch a Mac Virus, but I also want to be prepared just in case. Even if my scan is a placebo.

P.S. I also scan in linux and that has even a better security record than Apple does.
 
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I’d personally want a rational answer why parents would get their kids a $1000 smartphone

In 2 or 3 years the then "old" iPhone X will be given to the kids. The same as i do (put into a ruggedized case). You will never get enough money back if you try to resell, why not give it to the kids? Today, it will not be a wide spread issue, but why not if it doesn't matter that it will be broken after a couple of days...
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Good point. i thought information wasn't being sent out.
I dont know the wording of the law, but does it say where the database is? "In a database" can include local databases on a device.
 
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Apple's new App Store rules also make it clear that children under 13 will not be permitted to use the Face ID facial scanning

Presumably, this is because the radiation emitted by Face ID could damage their young DNA!

Shouldn't pregnant women also avoid using Face ID?
 
I’d personally want a rational answer why parents would get their kids a $1000 smartphone
1: There are some people in this world that make enough dollar dollar that $1000 is nothing.
2: What happens after a year or two when the parent decides to upgrade and passes the $1000 phone down the line?
 
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Regarding the antivirus, Apple is essentially manipulating the public opinion to let people believe iOS platform is virus free, which is not true, given that there are so much potential to infect one from various sources (including from government) and secretly jailbreak your device before doing any harm.

Whats to keep a 13 year old from lying about his age ?
Internet ID or National Identity Card or any sort of photo ID. Basically, just like what China is doing, enforce everyone browsing the internet to provide their photo ID before even registering an account. By doing so, a child can never lie to his/her age.
Of course, I hate this if it ever will happen.
 
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Doesn't COPPA only apply to Online/Web-based services? FaceID is supposed to be stored ONLY on the device right? I would think that COPPA applies, my guess is that FaceID has a harder time authenticating kids for some reason, and apple thought 13 was a good cutoff.

I've been involved with COPPA compliance on web sites in the past, but honestly I don't know if it literally only applies to remote servers. It might be that Apple's legal eagles decided to be over-cautious in the likely case that some grandstanding Congressperson made a fuss about it.
 
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Regarding the antivirus, Apple is essentially manipulating the public opinion to let people believe iOS platform is virus free, which is not true, given that there are so much potential to infect one from various sources (including from government) and secretly jailbreak your device before doing any harm.


Internet ID or National Identity Card or any sort of photo ID. Basically, just like what China is doing, enforce everyone browsing the internet to provide their photo ID before even registering an account. By doing so, a child can never lie to his/her age.
Of course, I hate this if it ever will happen.

And defiantly not a good privacy road to go down either
 
So this wonderful new security measure that's so much better than Touch ID (which about 35-40% of my apps have finally started to use, just in time for it to be deprecated), can't be used for your kids under 13. Brilliant, so what they are stuck using a pass code? Was this a restriction for Touch ID as well (I don't recall it being)?
 
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COPPA probably isn't up-to-date enough to take into account the Secure Enclave on the iPhone. Apple is just trying to comply with Federal law here without complicating their setup process with age checks (and then having users asking why Apple wants to know their age). Talk to your reps if you want it changed, but anything to do with child safety is usually a hot button issue.

I agree completely. "But... think of the children" has been used as a rallying cry for many dumb things.
 
Why does the app store icon look like a bunch of popsicle sticks? They've moved too far away from its original intent. If they're going this far, they should just abandon the concept of the app store logo altogether. It's not like it's a great design anyway.
 
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