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New App Store Guidelines Officially Ban Virus Scanning Apps, Prevent Kids From Using Face ID

Can kids put into motion face ID & use it? How advanced is this piece of Apple technology to differ a youthful 13 or a mature 12?

I want someone to use a child of about 10 to see if it will reject a child's face compared to a mid-teen. If it fails, it's no different than a curious minor going to porn site -- & when asked to put in their birth year -- using their basic math to know "it's 2018 now; if I put in 2001, it'll deny me... but if I put in 1999, I'm in".

If a 10yo can get face ID to work, it's no better than those comical fluff segments on the news (over the years) where a kid uses their parent's phone & racks up $17,000 online store purchases.
 
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Maetzle said:
Children UNDER the age of 13. And yeah, younger people could lie about their age (like on any web page that asks for your age), but I'm guessing their thought behind that is that their parents would set up their device - which they should.
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It says in the article that they can't use it on the App Store. I assume that is like the Facebook 'rule' that you must be 12 or 13 (I don't remember) to have an account. If the Face ID data really is stored on the phone there is no way that Apple would know the age of someone using Face ID, at least from the Face ID data.
 
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JRobinsonJr said:
Probably... but stupid. If the data never leaves the device then it shouldn't matter. Besides... kids NEVER lie about their age. Right? Things like "You're never supposed to use FaceBook if you're under 13" always prevent kids from using it.
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COPPA probably isn't up-to-date enough to take into account the Secure Enclave on the iPhone. Apple is just trying to comply with Federal law here without complicating their setup process with age checks (and then having users asking why Apple wants to know their age). Talk to your reps if you want it changed, but anything to do with child safety is usually a hot button issue.
 
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pat500000 said:
Could someone explain to me why kids at age 13 or under can't use face ID? I like a rationale answer here. Safety issue? Predatorial-stuff issue? Or is it because they'll buy stuff without letting their parents know?
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In the U.S., some states ban the use of biometric information of children under 13 being stored in an electronic database.

Usually if it is only stored on a local device and never transmitted anywhere, then it is ok.

So, this brings up a question about how Face ID actually works, does it transmit data somewhere? Is the information stored somewhere besides the local phone despite what Apple claimed? Because if it was only local, then there would be no issues with those under 13 using it like they can with Touch ID. If not, then I think that Congressman that was asking all of the questions of Apple needs to be insisting that they be answered under oath.
 
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shareef777 said:
As the saying goes "A fool and his money are soon parted." While I respect and appreciate Apple's goal, there'll be other methods that some malicious developers will use to dupe people out of their money. It's up to end users to determine the value of an app and read reviews. There should also be a 24 hour grace period for refunds.
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So you're saying Apple should allow the free market to make their own decisions because it knows what's best?

If I follow you logic, if you bought an app and didn't do your homework too bad for you. You failed to do your research or paid for something you didn't have adequate information on.

If people buy something and get screwed, they're more likely to leave bad reviews and thereby warn other users. Having a grace period removes the incentive to leave bad reviews because you had no financial loss.

So in other words, you're wrong about a grace period if I follow YOUR logic.

I'm all for a grace period and a closed system though.
 
cmwade77 said:
In the U.S., some states ban the use of biometric information of children under 13 being stored in an electronic database.

Usually if it is only stored on a local device and never transmitted anywhere, then it is ok.

So, this brings up a question about how Face ID actually works, does it transmit data somewhere? Is the information stored somewhere besides the local phone despite what Apple claimed? Because if it was only local, then there would be no issues with those under 13 using it like they can with Touch ID. If not, then I think that Congressman that was asking all of the questions of Apple needs to be insisting that they be answered under oath.
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Good point. i thought information wasn't being sent out.
 
Parents would be insane to buy a $1,000+ phone for their 12 year old or younger child unless they simply have a lot of money to burn. Most kids that age don't value things based on their cost -- why get them something that starts at $1,000?!
 
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pat500000 said:
Emperor Palpatine: "I have foreseen this darkness...yes...my little pretty....join the Tinder app. Use the power of Face ID!"

-Cops busted into this place-

Cops: "Freeze!"

Chris Hanson: "Hi, going somewhere, Palpatine?"

Palpatine: "I, uh, am about to leave...."

Chris Hanson: "You're going to jail! This is 'to catch a predator!"
"lock him up, boys!"
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Why am I imagining this as a Family Guy cutaway skit haha
 
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So Touch ID no longer exists but children can't use Face ID so now that means no biometrics for kids?
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dannyyankou said:
I’d personally want a rational answer why parents would get their kids a $1000 smartphone
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If you have $1000 in disposable income and your child wants an iPhone why not?
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avanpelt said:
Parents would be insane to buy a $1,000+ phone for their 12 year old or younger child unless they simply have a lot of money to burn. Most kids that age don't value things based on their cost -- why get them something that starts at $1,000?!
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I have some child relatives with iPhones and they value them very much. Those are prized possessions that you have a hard time prying out of their hands when they are at family gatherings. I've also passed plenty of year old devices on to young relatives as well. I seem to recall reading that the under-18 crowd has the highest percentage iOS (vs Android) ownership of all demographics. Most kids want one, a lot of them have one, and they seem to have melded to their hands.
 
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That's strange, because my kids can use TouchID. What's the difference, really, between FaceID and TouchID? Is it because FaceID is a picture, and pictures are in a protected class of things?
 
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i wonder how this applies to apps like lookout which (at one point) did serve a purpose as malware scanners

in ios 9.3.4 and earlier, you could download lookout to see if you were pwned with the pegasus exploits and had surveillance software on your device

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star_nerdy said:
So you're saying Apple should allow the free market to make their own decisions because it knows what's best?

If I follow you logic, if you bought an app and didn't do your homework too bad for you. You failed to do your research or paid for something you didn't have adequate information on.

If people buy something and get screwed, they're more likely to leave bad reviews and thereby warn other users. Having a grace period removes the incentive to leave bad reviews because you had no financial loss.

So in other words, you're wrong about a grace period if I follow YOUR logic.

I'm all for a grace period and a closed system though.
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What I was saying is that developers can release anything and charge exorbitant fees. As hard as Apple tries, there are thousands of apps being developed, they don't have the man power to vet each and every one of them. It's up to the users to due their due diligence.

As another poster recently posted: https://medium.com/@johnnylin/how-to-make-80-000-per-month-on-the-apple-app-store-bdb943862e88

There are far too many malicious developers out there for Apple to stop.
 
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Something that scans e-mail for malware would actually make sense to have, since people get malware in e-mail all the time, but it would be an e-mail client and not solely an anti-malware scanner.
 
CerebralX said:
Good. iOS apps run in a sandbox. Virus scanning apps might as well not exist. They do nothing.
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Unlike the article claims, Apple doesn't disallow virus scanning apps. It disallows apps that claim to be virus scanning apps but don't actually scan anything (that is all of them).
 
shareef777 said:
As the saying goes "A fool and his money are soon parted." While I respect and appreciate Apple's goal, there'll be other methods that some malicious developers will use to dupe people out of their money. It's up to end users to determine the value of an app and read reviews. There should also be a 24 hour grace period for refunds.
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There should also be a trial period for apps and a refund for apps that don't do what they say they do. More than that Apple should delete apps that mislead and ban developers that keep producing misleading apps. I have seriously cut back on app purchases since I didn't get a refund from Apple on an app that didn't work.
 
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