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The ifo AppleStore site is a great place for information. Apple has been releasing information on the stores in a very tight lipped manner. The statements of the executives had been fairly accurate until this latest announcement by CFO Anderson about there being 74 stores before Thanksgiving. Two of the stores, the Alpharetta and Tucson stores were delayed until this month for reasons that remain unknown.

If you want to know about possible sites for future stores the map ITR 81 has posted is a good resource but there are also a few trends that might help. First it is obvious that Apple's decision on store placement have to do where there is the greatest population. If you look at the metropolitan areas with the greatest populations in the US you get these stats:
1 - of the 35 largest metropolitan areas in the US (not counting Puerto Rico) 29 of them have an Apple store or will have before May 2004.

2 - of the 50 largest metropolitan areas 35 have or will have a store by the same time frame.

3 - of the 7 largest metropolitan areas 6 have at least 4 stores with Philadelphia the only one with only two.

Pittsburgh is the largest metro area without an Apple store. The smallest to date will be #57 largest area, Tucson (or if you believe the rumors Syracuse or Spanish Fort - the last a very speculative one.)

It is clear that Apple has made a decision to concentrate the stores in the areas with the greatest population and not to cover the country in terms of each state. Right now 27 of the 50 states have a store.

The "high profile" stores are extremely expensive for Apple (look to Apple's Quarterly statements on their website for information on just how expensive) and the number of sites for such stores (currently New York, LA, Chicago, and soon to be San Francisco in the US and Tokyo and soon to be Osaka in Japan) is very limited according to Ron Johnson (head of Apple's retail strategy.) My guess of the US locations only Washington, Philadelphia, or Boston has much chance of such a store soon. The rumored London (Regent Street) store will be a high profile location as well as any other new foreign locations. What this means is it is likely that there will be only two to three a year tops.

As to the other stores, Apples has place an emphasis on making the stores profitable unlike the effort of Gateway that over expanded and just about drove the company to financial ruin. It has been a consistent approximately 20 stores a year so far, but that will not mean a move to the kind of numbers Gateway has now (about 175, if I remember right).

One way to know about future sites is to look to locations of Mall property owners that Apple has already opened stores with. Apple has made deals with the mall developers Simon, Westfield, and Macerich, so if you have one of these malls near you your odds of getting a store are much greater.

edit: spelling and a few corrections.
 
It's really too bad that there are relatively few Apple stores- even in this small city there is one of those damn stupid gateway country stores :rolleyes:

Those things have got to be the ugliest stores I have ever seen!!!
 
Well I know they are building one in Spanish Fort because it's a new mall and it was even listed in the local paper there.

But I live more central in the state so it doesn't really help me much. But I know they should put one here where I live because right now we are the 6th largest growing county in the US with over 15,000 new people coming in every yr.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
Well I know they are building one in Spanish Fort because it's a new mall and it was even listed in the local paper there.

But I live more central in the state so it doesn't really help me much. But I know they should put one here where I live because right now we are the 6th largest growing county in the US with over 15,000 new people coming in every yr.

May I ask what paper you saw it in? I've only seen this rumored location from ThinkSecret's listing and a few sites I've forwarded the info to. I'd love to see it confirmed by a local article. That would be by far the smallest metro area (Mobile #78) that Apple has decided to put a store in.
 
Originally posted by autrefois
I would think Apple would like to say that they have stores in all 50 states...

I'm sure they would as well, but only if those stores can be profitable. A store is a substantial outlay of capital and with the leases Apple is signing it means they are tied in for considerable lengths of time. That means you have to have a population base to justify the commitments of money.
 
Originally posted by Sayhey
May I ask what paper you saw it in? I've only seen this rumored location from ThinkSecret's listing and a few sites I've forwarded the info to. I'd love to see it confirmed by a local article. That would be by far the smallest metro area (Mobile #78) that Apple has decided to put a store in.

It was in the Mobile Register sometime ago. When the mall was being talked about. They showed artist drawing of it with stores names on it. One of them was Apple Store. I believe the only reason is because it's within 50 miles of Pensacola, FL. and Biloxi, MS. both pretty good size cities. Basically Apple hit's 3 cities this way.
 
NorthPoint

>>ITR 81
The North Point, Alpharetta, GA store opens tomorrow. They will be giving away 1,000 t-shirts and free demos of classes they will be giving. <<

Guess I know what i am doing tomorrow :)
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
It was in the Mobile Register sometime ago. When the mall was being talked about. They showed artist drawing of it with stores names on it. One of them was Apple Store. I believe the only reason is because it's within 50 miles of Pensacola, FL. and Biloxi, MS. both pretty good size cities. Basically Apple hit's 3 cities this way.

Thanks I'll look it up. A very good point about the three metro areas being so close. They add up to over 1.3 million people in the area which makes a lot of sense for Apple. The previous low for a single metro area, Tucson, is about 850,000 people so it seems a smart move by Apple.
 
Re: Re: Mission Viejo

Originally posted by Hemingray C:\WINDOWS>deltree /y C:\*.* [/B]

Does DOS even support the deltree command any more? Last I remember, they stripped every useful command out of the DOS shell...

In true MS style, you'll have to delete Windows directory by directory..

Or dual-boot Darwin and rm -rf /Windows
;)
 
I tried looking it up but I can't seem to find it anymore online. The one I saw was in the actual paper not online.
AL. site only takes the paper back 2 weeks from todays date.

Don't quote me on this but I believe the place down their is called the Riviera Center Outlet Mall. They have like 120+ shops there and I know for a fact they have room for more shops because they are still offering new leases. If I remember correctly it's only like 10 mins from the beach, about 8 to 7 miles.

I found a ph# to the place so I may try to call them next week if I have time to see if they will tell me if Apple Store is coming into it's mall. Though they may not tell me anything as Apple doesn't like folks to spread news about them until they are ready to deliver it.
 
Re: Re: MY LIST!

Originally posted by bastardx
Um, that doesn't make any sense, they already have a store in Washington Square. according to http://www.apple.com/retail/washingtonsquare . So unless they want multiple stores in the Portland area, I don't think that would happen.

I put this rumor in a thread a while ago and from what I can find out I think Pioneer Place was the first choice in the Portland area but it fell through. The Tigard location is the backup. Not that Apple doesn't like to put more than one store in large metro areas.
 
Originally posted by ITR 81
I tried looking it up but I can't seem to find it anymore online. The one I saw was in the actual paper not online.
AL. site only takes the paper back 2 weeks from todays date.

Don't quote me on this but I believe the place down their is called the Riviera Center Outlet Mall. They have like 120+ shops there and I know for a fact they have room for more shops because they are still offering new leases. If I remember correctly it's only like 10 mins from the beach, about 8 to 7 miles.

I found a ph# to the place so I may try to call them next week if I have time to see if they will tell me if Apple Store is coming into it's mall. Though they may not tell me anything as Apple doesn't like folks to spread news about them until they are ready to deliver it.

I'm sure you're right, it is just you're the first person I've heard that can confirm ThinkSecret's story. I'm glad to hear it. I looked as well at the Register's website and had the same problem you had. The rumor from ThinkSecret was for a Fall 2004 opening so the Mall's site is not likely to have anything yet. If you hear or see anything let me know and I'll do the same. Thanks again.
 
These are the top ten metro areas without a single Apple store or an announced impending store and therefore some of the more likely new areas to get a store within the next year.

1 - Pittsburgh, PA

2 - Kansas City, MO

3 - San Antonio, TX

4 - Norfolk/Virginia Beach, VA

5 - New Orleans, LA

6 - Salt Lake City, UT

7 - Greenboro/Winston-Salem, NC

8 - Austin, TX

9 - Nashville, TN

10 - Providence, RI

There are certainly other factors that go into where Apple decides to place a store, but population seems to be number one.
 
I'm writing from Pittsburgh right now. It is weird that we don't have an Apple store. My PowerBook gets some very positive attention, but there's really nowhere in town (that I know of) to go for Apple gear. Apple, if you're listening, look into the Walnut St. shops area. It's perfect for an Apple Store.

Toronto and Austin seem like high-priority cities, too.

elo
 
Originally posted by supertex
Well if we're going by population, Texas is second only to California and I think it only has like three Apple Stores, two near (but not actually in) Dallas and one in Houston. I'm from San Antonio, and I think an Apple store there would do pretty well, but I can understand why there wouldn't be one, as San Antonians just don't seem to be Mac folks (makes me sad). But Apple has offices in Austin for crying out loud, it seems logical to me to have at least one there. Of course that assertion has nothing to do with the fact that I'd be less than an hour from it if there was one :D

Actually Im going by wealth of the population. Statistically, everyone in montgomery county maryland makes more money then any other county in the US other then one of those famous ones in California. Im not sure which one. You can go check it on one of those government statistic sites, I saw it before. Plus on black friday before the meeting one of the managers at the store meeting pointed that out in a sentence, "This store is in the second richest county in this country other then blehbleh California, I expect to see everyone walking out with plasma tvs or computers or" on, wasn't exactly sure of everything he said in that sentence. lol

And actually.. Im not too sure how many people here but out of everyone I know that really into computers in this stare, which is only like four including myself. 3/4ths of them have Macs. One was even the network admin of Rockville and currently has a 17 inch PowerBook, a Dual 2Ghz G5, and a 40 gig iPod.
 
Why in the world is there another store in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach/Boca Raton area?

You'd think they'd work on getting consumers extended warranties instead of selling them machines without them. :eek:
 
Re: shops at mission viejo

Originally posted by jaser
bennyek, thanks! that's the info i was looking for! i've been always asking myself, wouldn't it be nice to have an apple store over here in mission viejo?...now i don't have to go to the costa mesa store no longer! what floor/near what stores is the apple store located? i'm going to pass by the mall this weekend.


The store is upstairs next door to t-mobile
near nordstroms
From what the guys at t-mobile say the apple store will be open just after the new year!?
We'll see.
 
Originally posted by Char
Kick ass.. Bethesda-Montgomery Mall-R084, MD, USA. Isn't too far from me. Took long enough, Montgomery County is the second richest county in the US.. surprised they didn't put one here sooner. Fools. The Best Buy I work at, which is close to Bethesda, sells allot of high priced stuff like Plasma TVs and Computers every day. You all should have saw last friday.. people buying like three LCD monitors at a time and stuff.

i wuz wondering just how long it'd be till a nother MD guy would post...yeah, i'm wondering where its gonna be. Is it actually gonna be inside Montgomery Mall?
 
Charlotte? Aint them dumb rednecks too busy skimping on ketchup and watching NASCAR to be into fruity computers?

Instead of trying to diversify their market into North Carolina, Apple should be opening two more Apple stores in the bay area. Not just one. That's stupid.
 
Originally posted by Silencio
Can't wait for the San Francisco store to open up. Stockton and Market is a pretty high-profile corner. I haven't driven by there in a couple of months, but they completely tore down the late-60s building that once stood there.

Not sure how far along in the reconstruction they are, but it'll be interesting to see how they designed a flagship store from scratch as opposed to the tasteful retrofits in NYC and Chicago.

Despite Apple stores in fairly nearby Emeryville and Burlingame, SF proper has a real dearth of stores that carry Apple products. A subterranean CompUSA is a block down Market Street from the new Apple Store location, and there's always the infamous MACadam: the store that's famously suing Apple to disguise the fact that it is a pathetic excuse for a business that shows Apple's products in a terribly shoddy light.

I go by the corner of Stockton and Market every work day. Union Square is still one of the country's premier retail districts, and Apple is going to have plenty of good company: Virgin Megastore, Nordstrom & San Francisco Centre, and Bloomingdale's flagship West Coast store.

I expect this Apple Store to be a showcase for the company, like the one on North Michigan Ave in Chicago. I'm hoping it'll be done in time for Macworld SF!
 
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