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New Apple Stores?

~Shard~ said:
Still waiting for some Canadian stores! Some of you think you have it bad - the nearest Apple store to me is probably at least an 8-hour drive away across the border! ;)
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Who knows what Apple is doing about Canadian Stores? It seems even Apple doesn't. Take a look at AppleInsider's latest on the Canadian stores and see if you can explain it to me. By the way, AppleInsider seems to be the best source on this topic. Not that any of this does you much good because if there are openings they will likely be in the Toronto area. Not exactly a stone's throw from Regina, is it?
 
Sayhey said:
Who knows what Apple is doing about Canadian Stores? It seems even Apple doesn't. Take a look at AppleInsider's latest on the Canadian stores and see if you can explain it to me. By the way, AppleInsider seems to be the best source on this topic. Not that any of this does you much good because if there are openings they will likely be in the Toronto area. Not exactly a stone's throw from Regina, is it?
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Oh come on, Toronto's only about a 26-hour drive from Regina! Hmm, and Vancouver, the next major center, would only be about 16 hours away for me... Ah, the joys of living in the middle of the country! ;) :cool: Nah, if that were the case it would still be quicker for me to go to a store in the States in the Dakotas, Montana, or Minnesota or something... Ah well, I visited the SoHo store last month when I was in the Big Apple and made good use of my trip - bought a 20 GB iPod which completely kicks ass. :cool:
 
How can Apple keep opening new stores when the rest of the computer retail/'brick & mortar' market is collapsing (and has been for some time)? The Apple Store Financials at ifoapplestore show that they are barely breaking even, and perhaps with dubious allocation of costs.

Fry's absorbed Egghead, CompUSA went private under the ownership/tendering of Sanborn, but also absorbed Computer City and Good Guys. Best Buy and Walmart are even starting to duke it out and are offering PC's. What's next?

But forget pure retail - what about retail alternatives, like software-on-demand? Senescent companies like Protocall with SoftwareToGo have been dreaming, since 2000, that they are going to recruit major publishers to sell software-on-demand, backed by alliances with CompUSA and Microsoft and peripheral associations with Apple. Quick! Sign up before it's too late! :rolleyes: They'll be lucky to get anything other than cheap-ware that could be sold via websites without the middleman cost.

So, Besides the "need-it-now" customers and the inevitable channel natural selection taking place, how is it that The Internet (*ominous theme music*) isn't the death knell for a large portion of computer retail, even Apple's (at their own hands)?

The ultimate comedy will be that when Apple is done cannibalizing or alienating their dealer retail channel by placing stores in all lucrative metropolitan centers, their own online store will then cannibalize their Apple Stores. Well...that's one way to eliminate the competition and guarantee maximum profit for all units sold. The only advantage that Apple has in this area to prevent self-cannibalization is niche price control, which they have always wielded with draconian zeal. And, they are no strangers to alienating or causing the collapse of their own dealer channel. Carpe dealerum!

For the moment, however, I guess even if it's a break-even, "on-the-street" advertisement for Apple and a place where users can go to "see the gear," that's OK for a quick mindshare/touchy-feely buzz, but it's got to be at the expense of cannibalizing their channel, no matter what they believe or say. Sales don't come out of the ether, even if there are some switchers.

"It's incredibly profitable for Apple - it's just good marketing," said Jobs, while gnawing on what appeared to be the femur of a deceased Apple dealer from the Boston area.

However, in a few years, I wouldn't be surprised to see just as many announcements of Apple store closings due to lack of profitability. But fear not, those steamy rumors about Steve, the Borg Queen, and a new Apple hive on Mars using recycled rover parts may yet expand the sales base. Perhaps we know what happened to the missing European Mars probe after all. :)

"I am Macutus of Borg - your user experience will be assimilated and you will now make large, endangered cat noises as we attach this iSight camera to your temporal lobe and place you in the Macuration Chamber."
 
Syracuse Apple store

Apple is now listing jobs for the Syracuse store. While the job listings are limited to mac genius and keyholder positions, so far, this would give a likely opening date for the store in the October-November time frame.

quarkie, the Apple retail effort is one of the fastest such ventures to reach profitability. That doesn't seem to factor into your view. If Apple is ever going to break out of the market share it is in now it will have to include ways to advertise macs and provide a different kind of place to buy them. This retail effort may not work, although so far it looks like it is working very well, but unless one wants to accept a total windows world it will take some efforts like this to change the playing field.

By the way, Apple has put out figures that show resellers benefiting from the opening of Apple stores. It maybe they are blowing smoke, but if Apple market share is looked at as a "zero-sum" game then we can just write it off now. I'm glad the folks at Apple don't see it your way.
 
kuyu said:
all we have here in lex is the stupid compusa. They have limited selection, and no one who works there seems to know anything.

I watched the wwdc feed and knew more about the pmac than the sales guy. Plus, he always neglects to mention that I qualify for a student discount. However, he finds time to reiterate that I can buy on CREDIT!! We need an apple store here.
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If it's any consolation, the folks at CompUSA in San Francisco are idiots too, and they're two blocks away from the Apple Store. :D
 
From Femur to Humerus...

Sorry Sayhey. Sadly, it looks like smoke to me. Apple is most likely opening stores at the expense of their other dealers by:

1. Maintaining a draconian, preferential grip on margins
2. Maintaining a draconian, preferential grip on supply
3. Locating stores in high-traffic areas where other dealer stores already exist

Oh...but wait! It's good for the dealers! Really! :rolleyes: No. Read about it: Dealers Protest Practices of Macintosh Maker.

The courts will hopefully reveal whatever truth there is to see in this matter.

It looks like there may have been a similar article in the NY Post, but it has been pulled and does not appear to be in the NYPost archives. Hmmm. No matter, there are others listed at: tellonapple.org.

Retail sales have to come from somewhere. Logically, if you have a fixed pool of consumers consuming at a fixed (or, at best, slowly growing) rate, adding preferential supply, while sweating out existing resources can only mean one thing: store closings for those at a competitive disadvantage. Or, "Goodbye Independent Dealers," sung to the tune of "Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road" by Elton John (perhaps using the same lyrics). Ha ha!! :D [cracked self up.]

But, once again, the famous Apple Spin Machine is hard at work, convincing the world that their actions are benevolent and can only help the independent dealers, right? If Apple had massively expanding marketshare, that might be partially true, but they don't. The only safe ones are the dealers who had the insight to be cross-platform, with now evaporating Mac sales that probably only amounted to 5% of their computer sales in the first place!

For example, does Fry's care that there is an Apple Store (virtual or real)? Errmmm...probably not. Have you seen the pathetic Apple racks at Fry's? They should spruce them up a bit by playing some funeral dirges and hiring some Piercing Fetish Goth Teens as sales people.

The not-so-lucky dealers are the ones who loved Apple, were loyal to Apple, and dedicated their lives and livelihood to Apple. Let us now have a retrospective moment of silence for stores like ComputerWare and MacShop, put to death in the Bay Area during the '90's. Ahhh...old news.

In a collapsing computer retail economy, Apple brick & mortar retail really seems like a zero-sum business, and is purely a company-controllable street advertisement/demo site for Apple that may break even or earn a small profit. Whatever profit they do earn is probably going to be put into developing more store properties, which is another way to move virtual boxes from Cupertino to the stores and to further collapse the non-controlled dealer base.

Apple Sales Meeting said:

"Oh look! We opened 10 more Apple Stores and increased sales!" cried the Executive VP of Sales.
"W-W-Wha-What's the ch-channel sell-through on th-that?" asked the newbie sales guy with some degree of trepidation and responsible fiscal concern.
"You're FIRED!! Get that idiot out of here!"
"Careful, Mr. Jobs, we don't want Trump to find out you said that," admonished a vigilant representative from Legal.
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The goal seems to be to pump as many sales as possible through controlled properties (online and brick & mortar) = maximum profit for Apple and a firm, predictable grip on the channel - channel advertising, branding, product presentation, appearance, etc.

Also, it pushes the onus of supply into the "satellite states." If Apple says that you have to sell N units per month as an Apple Store, they have direct control over their reported bottom line as N x [# of Apple Stores] for any particular product.

Woo hoo! Who's your Daddy?

It's actually a brilliant, one-shot, cannibalistic, marketing model "generating a buzz around all the amazing Apple Store openings," while the Grim Reaper trolls the neighborhood looking for any poor dealer who ate the Mac-only-flavored mousse. ;) It also may be the nature of the Mac-only dealer base to expand and contract cyclically over the years due to corporate predation or the general waxing and waning of Apple's marketshare.

But don't worry...Apple won't close the Apple Stores if they don't succeed, they will simply be "moved to an exciting new location," the spinny way to think of it, whether across town or to a different country that doesn't yet have a shiny Apple Store.

Apple Store End-Of-Store Meeting said:

"Hey! Why are we closing?!?"
"Apple has offered us a great opportunity to move the store to Caracas! Do any of you speak Spanish? They said there's a lot of pent up Mac demand in Venezuela and we have the opportunity to be Apple Pioneers!"
"Errrrrmm..."
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jane doe said:

Oh, Let me guess... A troll.
Damn, you beat me to it...
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Actually, it's not a "troll," unless that's what you call anything that doesn't happen to agree with your loyalist Apple viewpoint. I think this is an important subject. :)

Perhaps you could expand your perception to include empathy for dealers who have lost their entire livelihood due to Apple's business practices. Or, by all means, post cogent discourse to the contrary about how what is detailed in the San Jose Mercury News article, dealer lawsuit, and elsewhere is not really happening, and it's all just a myth conjured by nay-sayers and fools. Oh...and those would be the same fools who tried to build a business around Apple and its products to support all of you. ;)

In looking at the data in this area, both from current and historical perspectives, it's hard to ignore the repeating issue of predatory competition from Apple within the ranks of its dealers, no matter how it is spun.

So, please - post something intelligent and insightful, or even humorous, that advances the discussion beyond the realm of your previously misplaced, monosyllabic sarcasm. I, for one, would really welcome it. :)
 
Quarkie said:
Actually, it's not a "troll," unless that's what you call anything that doesn't happen to agree with your loyalist Apple viewpoint. I think this is an important subject. :)

Perhaps you could expand your perception to include empathy for dealers who have lost their entire livelihood due to Apple's business practices. Or, by all means, post cogent discourse to the contrary about how what is detailed in the San Jose Mercury News article, dealer lawsuit, and elsewhere is not really happening, and it's all just a myth conjured by nay-sayers and fools. Oh...and those would be the same fools who tried to build a business around Apple and its products to support all of you. ;)

In looking at the data in this area, both from current and historical perspectives, it's hard to ignore the repeating issue of predatory competition from Apple within the ranks of its dealers, no matter how it is spun.

So, please - post something intelligent and insightful, or even humorous, that advances the discussion beyond the realm of your previously misplaced, monosyllabic sarcasm. I, for one, would really welcome it. :)
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Quarkie, I won't call you a troll, but do mind if I disagree?

You see I don't look at this from the point of view of an Apple reseller. I look at it from the point of view of someone who has owned and used Apple products since the '70s. I want Apple to succeed and grow a larger market share. I want that because I want to continue to have great computers available to me. So, while I can sympathize with a reseller if they are having a hard time it is not my major concern.

Let me concede one point in your post. The courts will undoubtedly decide this case and in the process we will learn more about Apple's business practices.

What I don't concede is that Apple stores are not an important part of any chance for Apple to grow its market share. If such a thing is to happen it will take great products and savvy marketing. The stores are a vital part of the latter. The profile of Apple products in the environment of an Apple store is so much greater than that of an area where only resellers handle their products. I don't think that can be seriously debated. I have indeed been in Fry's and other retailers and the attitude toward a potential customer, as well as the comparative availability of products is just totally lacking. If Apple is to count on such retailers to market their products then all we have before us is a slow, or maybe not so slow, death spiral for Apple computers.

That is not the case in areas with new Apple stores. Even if you accept everything the folks who are suing Apple say as the gospel, which it seems you do, I don't think you can dispute the stores have been a success from the stand point of marketing and sales. They generate excitement about Apple's products and there is no doubt sales are now increasing. You may argue this is only a function of an expanding market in the industry, but at the very least you cannot show where they are hurting sales.

Now they may hurt Apple's bottom line. This is a very risky path to take. There are huge investments of capital that the company has made over the last three years and even greater commitments over the long term. It could get Apple into trouble, however you must then ask yourself what is the alternative? I would say the alternative to changing the way marketing and sales is done through this retail initiative is to sign over Apple's fate to folks who have proven they can't do the job. That's a path back to that death spiral I spoke of earlier.

Quarkie, I don't know if you work in one of the resellers or just don't like Apple's policy. I do know that if a couple of resellers go under because they can't figure out how to expand the market and get new customers, then as much as I don't like it - it isn't the end of the mac. If Apple doesn't succeed in growing its market over all it will be the end of the mac. That's a prospect most of us on these boards, and I assume you are one of us, would not like to see.
 
A minor note - Apple now has a listing for the Store Manager position for the Syracuse store. It is looking good for that October-November time frame.
 
The Gateway to Success?

SayHey - sure - disagreeing is fine. But I'm not sure that you're actually disagreeing. I actually agree with a number of your points, as indicated in my previous post. For example:

1. That Apple Stores are a brilliant idea to bolster the Apple retail channel and create excitement around the notion of expansion (at the expense of other, dedicated dealerships and in a zero-sum perspective).
2. That Apple is using Apple Stores to control (& remedy) how their brand and products are displayed and advertised on the street.
Quarkie said:

"It's actually a brilliant, one-shot, cannibalistic, marketing model 'generating a buzz around all the amazing Apple Store openings,'while the Grim Reaper trolls the neighborhood looking for any poor dealer who ate the Mac-only-flavored mousse."

"...and a firm, predictable grip on the channel - channel advertising, branding, product presentation, appearance, etc."

"...I guess even if it's a break-even, "on-the-street" advertisement for Apple and a place where users can go to "see the gear," that's OK for a quick mindshare/touchy-feely buzz, but it's got to be at the expense of cannibalizing their channel..."

"For example, does Fry's care that there is an Apple Store (virtual or real)? Errmmm...probably not. Have you seen the pathetic Apple racks at Fry's?"
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Do I think everything the disenfranchised dealers say is gospel? I don't know, as indicated, but I certainly can empathize with their plight (having worked at a dealership a long time ago) and see the substantial credibility and underlying rationale for their complaint. It's sad, but in the legal process, they will probably lose 25+% of their complaint to Apple's creative accounting and greater legal resources.

As for my comments about zero-sum or collapsing "growth," you may want to review this article:

IDC: Apple lost marketshare in 2003, to 3.2 percent

The best analog/pundit comparison for Apple and the success of its branded stores is Gateway, since Gateway is only slightly ahead of Apple with respect to marketshare in the PC space and also tried to control their street branding with their cool cow stores.

A couple articles to review, for example, among many on the subject:
Gateway Retail Stores Closing
Gateway Pulls Plug on Retail Operations

So, here is a company in a much larger consumer space (PC) with slightly larger marketshare than Apple's, a cool, controlled brand, and they deemed that their 188 retail stores and 2500 employees were not helping the company. Also, I think they had been closing other stores prior to this event. Does Apple know something that Gateway doesn't? Maybe. However, Gateway has increased their marketshare by acquiring eMachines, while closing their unsuccessful stores - probably a smart move, since the PC retail space is highly diversified with many other available channels (which are all probably secondary to consumer e-Tail migration).

Meanwhile, Apple has continued to open stores, lost/alienated dealers, impacted channel diversification, and decreased their overall marketshare. These are not ideal parallels, but if the branded stores had really been helping Gateway and not losing money, don't you think they would have kept them? The sensible conclusion in a collapsing industry-wide retail space as consumers gravitate elsewhere/online is that the expanding Apple Store base is nothing more than an expensive street ad and predictable inventory cache that doesn't actually translate into consumer marketshare (for example, as in the above article).

I'm not a big fan of the argument that "well...those poor, dedicated Apple dealers couldn't figure out how to get new customers or grow their business, so tough Apples." If Apple opens a sleek, design-subsidized Apple Store in proximity to yours and controls your margins and stock availability, you have nowhere to go, but out of business as Apple slowly strangles you. Those dealers are just ordinary people - they don't have Apple's resources, and Apple has them by the money and the margins. But more power to Apple - maybe the mothership blitzkrieg will help to fuel a mindshare renaissance. As for marketshare, must ... not ... admit ... weakness ... or ... failure ... Stevie! We need more power from the warp drive!

Here's a predictive, future job posting:
Future ex-manager and ex-employees of the now closed Syracuse Apple Store looking for work. ;)

ps. I actually like Apple, have been a long-time Mac user, and have an extensive Apple doorstop museum stretching all the way back to the Apple ][. Does anyone want to buy a factory-sealed, original MacWrite manual? :D
 
Industry Growth...

As additional context for the previous post, in 2003 personal computer sales increased 10-15% (depend on which analyst you read), while in the 4th Qtr, Apple's marketshare waned below 2% and generally declined for the year. So, assuming the PC industry is growing, Apple share, including "switchers" seems to be declining. Below are some related articles.

PC upgrade cycle commences: Gartner - 2003 PC Sales increase by 10.9%.

PC Sales Show Double Digit Growth - This is a Q1 IDC/Gartner 2003/2004 comparison and shows the rationale for Gateway buying eMachines, especially to try and stay competitive in the face of Dell's success and the HP/Compaq merger. It also lumps Apple in with the "Others" categories which show increased unit sales, but no growth in share. But, without specifics, it's difficult to make sense of those numbers.

These are some indicators of Apple's position:
Apple Q4 2003 Marketshare Below 2%

Ads haven't boosted Apple market share

So...dramatic success of The Stores? In the larger context, I don't see it.
 
Apple Store in China?

ifoAppleStore is reporting on the possible opening of an Apple Store in China.

Apple is considering a retail store in China, according to Sr. V-P Retail Ron Johnson, as reported in a financial analysis issued by stock broker Merrill Lynch. Johnson said there could eventually be more than 100 retail stores, and also confirmed it's "likely" that Apple will open stores in Canada.
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Quarkie, I don't have time to respond in full right now, but read the article over at ifoAppleStore and I'll get back to you later. In the meantime get that huge chip off your shoulder about Apple management.
 
OK - sounds good. Interesting article. :) Ermmm...also...just because I don't agree with various rosy projections doesn't mean that I have a chip on my shoulder. Please don't assume that I do. Thanks. :)
 
Quarkie said:
OK - sounds good. Interesting article. :) Ermmm...also...just because I don't agree with various rosy projections doesn't mean that I have a chip on my shoulder. Please don't assume that I do. Thanks. :)
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I wasn't trying to assume anything; I was responding to what you posted. That includes flights of fancy, very creative flights if I do say so myself, about Steve Jobs and bones of resellers. Also your made up discussions of Apple Execs, while very creative, do tend to give one the impression that you're not exactly sympathetic to their point of view. Be that as it may, I stand corrected and I am happy to know you have no animus toward Apple's management.

Now I'm with you that it doesn't make much sense to just accept everything Apple says as the truth. However, unless there is serious forgery and fraud going on at Apple, something I think needs proof not innuendo, then Apple is doing quite well. Both sales and profits are up and have been for some time. New products that have been critically received are being produced and more and more people, if we believe Merrill Lynch, are looking to Apple as a viable alternative.

The huge downside of this "rosy" picture is that Apple's market share is not growing, and in fact may not be keeping up with the status quo. I would point out that part of the reason for this is that Apple does not "play" in the low-end consumer market. Dual G5 Power Macs are great, but they will not sell in the volume of the $500 PC market. Until Apple figures a way to make money and compete for that dollar it is unlikely that market share will rise in any meaningful way.

However, to getting back to the role of the stores given the above situation. First, I don't think there is a magic bullet that will grow market share (unless the iPod is even better than I think it is.) What is necessary is innovation in products and marketing across the board. The stores represent that innovation in how Macs are sold and advertised. Are they the perfect solution? No, but they are a calculated gamble that seems to be paying off. My hope is that they continue to do so and Apple is able to open stores in areas that have had little exposure to the Mac and other Apple products.

Lastly, I don't know if the resellers who have filed this suit have a legitimate beef. I think I will reserve judgment until it has been proven in court. Even if they do, it doesn't mean that the retail effort was and is not an important step for Apple to take. It would mean that Apple didn't do it in the best way, but I think they realistically had little choice. I'm just glad they didn't follow the Gateway model in how they did this. It is great to follow this and actually have some hope that all this innovation might work.
 
New European stores?

Of interest to me is this listing that has appeared on Apple's jobs page.

Title: Retail Product Planner
Location: Bunnik BV
Country: Netherlands
Primary responsibility is the planning and fulfillment of product to meet demand at the Apple Retail Stores. Proactively manages and maintains replenishment to stores using reporting tools and measurements. Supports store needs and issue resolution through the Product Fulfillment support line. Works cross functionally with RFL team to achieve shared objectives. Works cross functionally with other Apple groups to insure fulfillment of product demand.
Minimum 3 - 5 years product planning experience

Prior retail store planning experience preferred
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To date there is only the one Apple store on Regent street in London that has been confirmed, but this would look to be part of setting up the organizational infrastructure for an expansion of the retail effort in Europe. Rumors of a likely Paris store have been hinted at strongly by Apple in the past, but I'm guessing this bodes well for even more stores in other parts of the EU.
 
Tukwila, WA store?

Apple has listed job openings normally associated with a Apple store on Monster.com for a new location in Tukwila, Washington. There have been openings for a Lynnwood, Washington (Alderwood Mall), but this the first I've seen of this location. If both are true, then we will have four stores in the Seattle metro area in very short order.

edit: Apple's website now confirms a separate store at the Southcenter Mall in Tukwila, Washington. It looks good for two more Seattle area stores by years end. Look out Redmond, you are being surrounded!
 
Sayhey said:
Apple has now posted the "official" announcement of the Austin store. It will open on June 12th at 10:00 am.

Barton Creek
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I won't be in Austin on the 12th for the grand opening, but I hope to be there on the 20th, when I'll be in town... I'd be in town if I didn't have such bad luck looking for a job... I tried the Apple Store, but I didn't expect to get far there, and I didn't. I then went to the CompUSA in North Austin, but lo-and-behold, after I have my first interview, they lose a large chunk of their budget, and are unable to hire anyone new... Various other ventures in employment have also been unsuccessful...

Either way, the Austin Apple Store is going to be great. I might get to work there someday, but I need retail experience first (being a Mac nut won't get you the job at all!!!)

As for the summer, I've decided to go for AppleCare Technician Training, and getting my A+ certification...

If anyone's going to be at the Austin Apple Store, let us know!
 
I thought I'd update the list of upcoming stores that have been listed on Apple's Jobs site (click on "Apple Store Job Opportunities" in the lower right of the page.) Here is the latest.

1 - Barton Creek Mall, Austin, Texas (to open on June 12th)

2 - Danbury Fair Mall, Danbury, Connecticut

3 - Shadyside, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

4 - Country Club Plaza, Kansas City, Missouri

5 - Rosedale Center, Rosedale, Minnesota

6 - Stonestown Mall, San Francisco, California

7 - Santa Rosa Plaza, Santa Rosa, California

8 - Osaka, Japan (second store in Japan)

9 - Bridgewater Commons Mall, Bridgewater, New Jersey

10 - Rockaway Townsquare Mall, Rockaway, New Jersey

11 - Stoneridge Mall, Pleasanton, California

12 - Victoria Gardens, Rancho Cucamonga, California

13 - Alderwood Mall, Lynnwood, Washington

14 - Christiana Mall, Wilmington, Delaware (first store in that state)

15 - Regent Street, London, England (Apple’s first European store)

16 - Oakridge Mall, San Jose, California (signs outside a retail space within the mall have an Apple store opening in “Winter 2004” (from ifoAppleStore.)

17 - Carousel Center, Syracuse, New York (recently added back to Apple’s “drop down” menu of Apple stores - new job listings on 5-26-04)

18 - Southcenter Mall, Tukwila, Washington (no job listings on Apple's website, but job openings are listed on monster.com)


It usually takes four to six months from the posting of listings to opening of the store. This means that for stores to be open for the Christmas shopping season it is likely that new stores will be listing job openings by the end of this month or by the end of August at the latest. At least nine of the stores listed above will be open by Sept. 30th. In addition, the following stores have been reported to be opening from other sources.

1 - Eastern Shore Center, Spanish Fort, Alabama (local newspapers have had Apple as one of the new tenants of the Center with a projected Fall 2004 opening.)

2 - St. John’s Town Center, Jacksonville, Florida (the Jacksonville Business Journal has a story predicting a March 2005 opening date)

3 - Midtown Manhattan, New York City, New York (from a story in the New York Post - no job listings or projected opening date)

Other rumors have had possible openings in Paris, Upper West Side NYC (84th & Broadway), Toronto, Irvine (CA), a second Portland (OR) store (Pioneer Center), and the projected start of “mini-stores” focused in universities.

This confirms 97 stores open by the end of the year, with more than 100 likely. So far, only the London and Osaka stores are flagship stores that will open by the same date.
 
man, seriously, there is a lack of Apple Store-ness in the plains region.

Can we get something in well... OKLAHOMA..... please Apple. specifically Tulsa, so I can get a J O B there and have a nice place to buy computers... there are no authorized dealers in Tulsa except CompUSA... the rest are indie shops... well, shop. and it's in a ****ty area.


please Apple?


but seriously, they got tons of stores in California.
 
NNO-Stephen said:
man, seriously, there is a lack of Apple Store-ness in the plains region.

Can we get something in well... OKLAHOMA..... please Apple. specifically Tulsa, so I can get a J O B there and have a nice place to buy computers... there are no authorized dealers in Tulsa except CompUSA... the rest are indie shops... well, shop. and it's in a ****ty area.


please Apple?


but seriously, they got tons of stores in California.
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Well, you're getting one in Kansas City shortly. That qualifies as a "Plains" store, doesn't it? I know it doesn't help you in Tulsa, but it is a start for the region. I'm afraid Oklahoma City is much more likely to get a store before Tulsa, but that is just my speculation. Hope you get one in state soon.
 
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