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Like you said lattner left Tesla after only 6 months so Tesla must be doing something wrong too then I guess.
Good point

You have no idea what is going on. He wasn't even working on this project at Apple.

That's my point. The project existed at Apple. So why did he jump ship to another company doing the same thing? How dysfunctional is Apple that they could not find a place for a long-time employee on that team or a way to retain him?
 
Reminder: Chris Lattner left Apple and went to Tesla to work on automated driving (among other things) and has since left Tesla.

Either Apple's counter-offer most have sucked or the way they are doing things is not very appealing. When long-time talent jumps to a competitor to work on something your company is also working on, it spells big problems with retention and employee happiness.


If things at Tesla had gone well then I'd agree with you. We don't know the whole story, but as it stands, a super smart guy who developed Swift wanted to work on cars, went to Tesla, and it didn't work out. Would it have worked out if he'd worked on cars at Apple? Who knows.
 
Good point



That's my point. The project existed at Apple. So why did he jump ship to another company doing the same thing? How dysfunctional is Apple that they could not find a place for a long-time employee on that team or a way to retain him?

Even if apple is working on an autonomous system it is at a far different stage when compared to what Tesla is doing.

The fact that Apple was Apple to keep him for 12 years says a lot. Perhaps he just wanted to try something different. 12 years is a bloody long time to spend at the same company.
 
Beverly Hills plastic surgeons on MR forums discuss why Lexus 450h is junk in 3...2....
 
That contraption is more likely to cause an accident, not avoid one, just by distracting other drivers!
If people can't stop looking at another car to the point where they can't drive, they shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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Apple Maps has greatly improved over the years, but after 5 (or 6?) years, there are still no street view maps. They still haven't caught up to where Google Maps was before they even launched, let alone caught up to present-day Google Maps.

When planning a trip to somewhere unfamiliar, street view is hugely helpful, even if it's a decade-old street view photo.

I find it hard to believe Apple can reinvent Maps- Steve Jobs even admitted that in some cases, others did better at certain things they did - but I hope they catch up or embrace Google on the Maps issue.
No kidding. I used apple maps since launch and just recently started using google maps and couldn't believe how much better google was. Like it was instantly noticeable. The features from being able to look up a place and get TONS of information about it with inline reviews (and being able to leave your own) info about the best time of day to go, reminders about when to leave for best traffic, lane guidance, favorites folders, etc. It's like apple isn't even trying.

Aside from some moral objection to google, I don't see how anybody could use apple maps and enjoy it more than google
 
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If people can't stop looking at another car to the point where they can't drive, they shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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No kidding. I used apple maps since launch and just recently started using google maps and couldn't believe how much better google was. Like it was instantly noticeable. The features from being able to look up a place and get TONS of information about it with inline reviews (and being able to leave your own) info about the best time of day to go, reminders about when to leave for best traffic, lane guidance, favorites folders, etc. It's like apple isn't even trying.

Aside from some moral objection to google, I don't see how anybody could use apple maps and enjoy it more than google
I use Google Maps when I need to search for a location within the app but I feel it is an otherwise bad app. I used it to go cross country and found it very buggy and inaccurate. Apple Maps isn't quite as accurate in estimating traffic times but they are both close enough that I always choose Apple Maps because it's more stable and reliable. I still cannot get Google Maps to reliably using turn by turn voice directions over Bluetooth in my car and USB never works.
 
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As well as LIDAR sensors for detecting the surrounding environment, I believe* Apple may be using LIEDAR sensors to detect arrant falsehoods told about what it is doing with cars fitted with sensors. The company may also be testing TRUEDAR sensors, used as an advanced form of checksums for the LIEDAR data. The use of experimental NOTREALLYSUREDAR sensors were considered, but they were deemed superfluous by the extravagantly-named SUPERFLUOUSDAR sensors.

*Imaginary LIEDAR sensors detect this belief to be based on an arrant falsehood - and so would be proven to be working effectively, if they were actually real.
 
If I was testing top secret tech in public, I'd put as many sensors atop my test vehicle as well. Deception is a common tactic employed in racing to keep engine and vehicle abilities hidden from competitors.
I really hope Apple has some competitive in store. But somehow I doubt we will see something coming from Apple. The last 5 years they're only playing catchup with other competitors and to me it looks like they're more interested in squeezing the most profit out of their products as possible instead of being at the forefront in technology. I wish the future proves me I'm wrong.
 
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Self Driving Cars (like a recent self driving lorries story) will never happen in the UK. A fantastic idea. The reality however is that we have one of the most congested roads in the world so the elephant in the room is that it'd be a litigious nightmare. However it's an amusing aside if nothing else. A bit like electric car adoption then. Do you believe the hype or look out of the window and face reality? Apple has to spend its billions on something - why not use it on something that will never come to fruition and so therefore will never be judged for its success. Clever, Tim!.:cool:
 
I'm not buying that self driving cars are just around the corner. Spend some time on big city thoroughfares and Interstate highways, and watch the lunacy that takes place when human drivers decide you are driving too slow for them. How any AI will be able to deal with the mental cases that inhabit powerful automobiles is anathema to me.

The US has not seriously embraced the concepts of city planning, or traffic calming and treats driving as an inalienable right as an end result of suburban sprawl. Government needs to increase the difficulty to get and maintain a license, make driving expense more closely coincide with distance travelled and time spent in vehicle.

Autonomous cars could help take the 'emotion' out of automobile ownership and once you reach a critical mass there just won't be any where for the other drivers to go.

I think of the 101 between San Francisco and San Jose during rush hour. I don't care how fast or how hard you try, you're not going anywhere. Just too many vehicles in your way.
 
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There is just no way this is for autonomous driving. They are up to something else here, we just don't know what yet. That is a ridiculous overkill of sensors for autonomous driving.
i have to disagree, thats not even remotely enough, still.
 
I really hope Apple has some competitive in store. But somehow I doubt we will see something coming from Apple. The last 5 years they're only playing catchup with other competitors and to me it looks like they're more interested in squeezing the most profit out of their products as possible instead of being at the forefront in technology. I wish the future proves me I'm wrong.
Technology is not a spec sheet. Throwing wireless charging in a phone and calling it the forefront of technology is a stretch. The competition still has a way to go to catch up to the way Apple uses technology to provide a great experience for its customers. I hope they do; competition is great for everyone.
 
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Can't wait to call KITT from my Apple Watch and have him pick me up from the pub using Turbo Boost... car could do with being thinner though....and black...and a Pontiac.
 
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There is just no way this is for autonomous driving. They are up to something else here, we just don't know what yet. That is a ridiculous overkill of sensors for autonomous driving.

Testing positioning systems for use in reusable booster rockets for "Space A." Put up their own Satellites for the "Apple Network. ;)
 
I know a guy who had a safe driving distance feature on his car. It would keep a safe driving distance between his car and the car ahead of him on the freeways. He had to turn that feature off because cars kept cutting in front of him because THEY COULD!

And? Why do that? This is something that most drivers never seem to get. Which is that it does not matter how many cars cut in front of you it will not alter how long it takes you to get to your destination!

Example

You live at A and wish to drive to your work at B
The distance between A and B is 50 miles.
If you drive at 50 miles per hour then it will take you 1 hour to get from A to B
So it does not matter how many cars cut in front of you, as long as your speed is still 50 miles per hour it will still take you 1 hour to get from A to B

Now every car that cuts in front of you is driving quicker than you are, so in this example they would be driving quicker than 50 miles per hour. So they would get to their destination quicker than normal.
However you are still driving at 50 miles per hour so will STILL take 1 hour to get from A to B

Now at this point you might say "Ah yes but I do not always drive at a constant speed of 50 miles per hour". To which I reply "Ah yes but if you work out your average speed and therefore work out how long on average it takes you to get from A to B it still would not matter how many cars cut in front of you".

The only way that a car cutting in front of you would cause you to get from A to B longer than normal would be if somehow you REVERSED. That is true when you are stood in a queue and someone cuts in front, this causes you to essentially go backwards. Though this is not true when driving as you are moving and do not tend to stop the car, put it in reverse and drive backwards a car length or few.

Now repeat this back to me and I will make sure you understand!
 
Right, they will come out with something better from something that has been useless and far from the competition since day 1. Are you blowing all that smoke yourself or did you just get a nightclub dispenser?
Sigh. Think harder. Apple Maps being worse than Google maps has absolutely nothing to do with Street View. Turns out that Apple has had Flyover which Google has not had and now Apple will have this. Although it will be a while still.
 
And? Why do that? This is something that most drivers never seem to get. Which is that it does not matter how many cars cut in front of you it will not alter how long it takes you to get to your destination!
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This would be true only if the cars cut in front of you at a safe distance. But an autonomous system that maintains a safe distance from the car in front of it needs to slow down each time a car cuts in front of it to reattain the desired minimum distance, so it's average speed decreases.

Up here in the northeastern US, I can't believe how many idiots on the interstate won't wait even a car length to pull in front of cars they're passing, even when there's no one else for miles around. If you want to be safe, you can't maintain your speed when someone like that passes you.

But speaking of the NE, one thing that sends many drivers to the hospital is freezing rain. With the hilly terrain and showery wet winter weatherroads can go from clear to slick in an instant. I wonder how autonomous driving systems will handle those conditions?
 
When designing something you have redundancy. Pretty sure there are several different technologies being tested at same time. Then you can start creating the final product.

Wish they did that for wifi in their macs :p
 
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