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marcel500

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Both Apple Music on MAC and iOS are showing 3 options of playback (highest being High-Resolution Lossless) except new Apple TV, highest playback is only Lossless. anybody has an idea why is that?
 

Ikertxo40

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Do you know if Lossless also works for Apple TV HD? I dont have the option, and my apple tv is connected to a hi res homecinema, and was happy to have at least lossless... even not hi res 24/192....
 

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Do you know if Lossless also works for Apple TV HD? I dont have the option, and my apple tv is connected to a hi res homecinema, and was happy to have at least lossless... even not hi res 24/192....
Apple’s support doc that someone linked above only mentions Apple TV 4K.

that makes me believe that Apple TV HD is not supported. Sorry :/
 
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Jus711

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No, I am talking about: High-Resolution Lossless not just Lossless.
I wouldn’t hold my breath, it’s been resampling audio to 48k forever. I will say that both the Atmos and the lossless we are getting sounds great on the ATV through  music though.
 

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On my dac in my car it was showing 96 on a few songs when I tested it today. Lots of 48 and 44.1
 

Ikertxo40

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Funny thing platform like Qobuz promotes 24/48 as hi res already, apple doesnt, is more strict with the term
 
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JeffPerrin

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From Chris Breen on Twitter:

I’m sure you’re all aware that with an HDMI connection, devices outputting hi-res lossless audio can take advantage of an AV receiver’s DAC.
 

JeffPerrin

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BTW, Based on trade mags and forums, I hear the majority of studios record in 44/24, with some going up as high as 96/24. Very, very few studios actually record at 192khz, so I would be suspicious if a large number of Apple Music tracks come in at 192. But who knows what's really going on behind that curtain...
 
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Bruins96

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Can kind of confirm ATV4K v2 does not yet do "High Resolution Lossless" yet. I checked Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie album which on my phone says it's high resolution lossless and on my ATV it's only lossless. And yes both are signed into my Apple Music account because I can do Atmos and Spatial Audio on my ATV.
 

marcel500

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Can kind of confirm ATV4K v2 does not yet do "High Resolution Lossless" yet. I checked Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie album which on my phone says it's high resolution lossless and on my ATV it's only lossless. And yes both are signed into my Apple Music account because I can do Atmos and Spatial Audio on my ATV.

Anyone has an idea why is this ? and when is this coming to ATV?
 

Jus711

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Anyone has an idea why is this ? and when is this coming to ATV?
I’m on the beta and it’s limited to 24/48 in the settings for the music app. Did they ever confirm that 24/192 was coming for the  TV? It has always resampled audio to 48kHz
 

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Jus711

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Today I managed to create this on my aTV 4K:
I get the same screen and option if I Airplay to my  TV from my phone but my receiver still gets 24/48
 

priitv8

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I get the same screen and option if I Airplay to my  TV from my phone but my receiver still gets 24/48
So you can consistently reproduce this glitch?
Apparently a UI glitch only then. Leaves hope that adding support for 96 or 192 is in the process.
Although the real value of them remains questionable. I understand that shifting reconstruction filters with their inherent artefacts up into non-audible spectrum may bring benefits. But I can not say that I can hear them.
 

Jus711

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So you can consistently reproduce this glitch?
Apparently a UI glitch only then. Leaves hope that adding support for 96 or 192 is in the process.
Although the real value of them remains questionable. I understand that shifting reconstruction filters with their inherent artefacts up into non-audible spectrum may bring benefits. But I can not say that I can hear them.
I’m not sure it’s a glitch, I’m on beta but you’ve always been able to Airplay audio to your  TV, and since Hi Res lossless plays on the iPhone the UI is just showing you that that is what the phone is getting, but also that the highest you can get out of the  TV is 24/48 when you go to the audio quality settings. As far as what one can actually hear that’s a whole other can of worms lol. I will say that the 24/48 and more importantly the Dolby audio from  Music sounds better to my ears from the  TV to my receiver than what we previously had. I’ve listened to 24/192 out of my fire tv cube on Amazon Music HD on the same receiver and speaker setup and it also sounded great but I didn’t do an A/B comparison to truly test if I could hear the difference. Once things get really lossy I can hear that though.
 

Paul Cordingley

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BTW, Based on trade mags and forums, I hear the majority of studios record in 44/24, with some going up as high as 96/24. Very, very few studios actually record at 192khz, so I would be suspicious if a large number of Apple Music tracks come in at 192. But who knows what's really going on behind that curtain...
Just as with older movies shot on film which can be scanned at 4K (or sometimes much higher), there is a universe of albums recorded in analogue onto magnetic tape which can be digitised at 24/192 or even higher (or DSD). A good example is Hotel California, which has been 24/192 2CH and 24/96 MCH from the old DVD-A twenty years ago when the master multi-track analogue tapes were baked and captured at high resolution before they fell apart.
 
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