As another poster said manufacturers call it different things but it still HDMI-CEC
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As another poster said manufacturers call it different things but it still HDMI-CEC
I know the name varies among tv manufacturers. I was replying to your comment where you said you would be surprised if any tv within the last 5 years didn't have it. Which is why I said some tv's are still sold without it, if you buy the basic model in a line up it will not have the feature.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Universal Remotes usually have what is often called a "punch through" (or similar) mode. In this case, the "punch through" would keep the volume up and down buttons ALWAYS controlling your receiver's volume controls. Your receiver is likely your sound amplifier and that is where volume up and down should be controlled anyway... not within the amplifier-lacking
TV.This implication that one can control volume up and down in
TV is probably accomplished by the TV feeding more or less of the UNamplified sound source to a receiver, amplifier or TV (amplifier). That's pretty much NOT the way to handle volume control. Instead, the unamplified signal should be fed to the receiver, amplifier or TV (amplifier) and then the latter (either of the 3 depending on anyone's setup) should then control the level of volume. The ability to tweak the unamplified signal has some uses but that's not the right way to handle volume control in most any setup I've even seen.
The Apple TV tech specs page at Apple seems to mention that the Siri remote has an IR transmitter so you may not need to rely on CEC.
Need to turn on/off TV & AVR; control volume & input on AVR; navigate U-Verse STB & aTV. Right now, I can do all that using a Logitech universal remote. Both AVR and TV are CEC capable. I can see how the new apple remote would control just about everything...except the U-Verse STB. Is that correct? If it won't navigate the STB menus, then it looks like I would be back to having to use 2 remotes (Apple and Logitech).
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
As is, we don't know enough yet to know for sure. I'm skeptical that the new TV is going to be able to basically replace anyone's universal remote unless that anyone is happy pretty much leaning on the TV for most/all of what they want to watch. I would guess there is a much better chance of one/some of the universal remote manufactures to develop a new universal remote that incorporates the atypical features of the new TV4 remote than to expect that this TV4 really has much potential as a "one remote to rule them all" remote. I think best chance of the latter is, again, for those who will pretty much lean on TV for most/all of their TV viewing. As soon as you mix in other video sources, I suspect the lack of basic control buttons is going to make the new remote seem useless/cumbersome. But we'll see. Those are just my own guesses based on what I've seen & read. Maybe it can be a new kind of "one remote to rule them all"?
TV is going to be able to basically replace anyone's universal remote unless that anyone is happy pretty much leaning on the TV for most/all of what they want to watch. I would guess there is a much better chance of one/some of the universal remote manufactures to develop a new universal remote that incorporates the atypical features of the new TV4 remote than to expect that this TV4 really has much potential as a "one remote to rule them all" remote. I think best chance of the latter is, again, for those who will pretty much lean on TV for most/all of their TV viewing. As soon as you mix in other video sources, I suspect the lack of basic control buttons is going to make the new remote seem useless/cumbersome. But we'll see. Those are just my own guesses based on what I've seen & read. Maybe it can be a new kind of "one remote to rule them all"?
I was hoping you would come back and tell me everything I wanted to hear. Unfortunately, but as usual, I think your assessment is accurate. Just have to wait and see, but the thought of going back to multiple remotes is going to make take a harder look at what the new aTV offers me for the price tag.As is, we don't know enough yet to know for sure. I'm skeptical that the new
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Yes, the multiple remote thing probably means I won't be taking advantage of the unique features of this new TV remote (beyond a little first day experimentation), instead leveraging whatever can be done with the IR functionality... UNLESS this new remote surprises me and proves to be a genuine remote on par with the learning + universal for "one remote to rule them all" functionality. I just don't expect that as I won't be revolving around trying to consume nearly everything only through TV. Thus, I think it's either 2+ remotes for all but those who can or think they can get by with just the TV for most/all of their TV viewing OR it's doing what I describe above (leaning on the IR capabilities) if the "one remote" goal is important enough.
Personally, I'm hoping Universal Remote Control Inc or Logitech or similar are already building a new learning + universal + unique (features of) Apple remote functionality remote for those of us who can NOT get all the video we want from justTV but want "one remote to rule them all" AND those unique features of the new TV remote.
TV remote (beyond a little first day experimentation), instead leveraging whatever can be done with the IR functionality... UNLESS this new remote surprises me and proves to be a genuine remote on par with the learning + universal for "one remote to rule them all" functionality. I just don't expect that as I won't be revolving around trying to consume nearly everything only through TV. Thus, I think it's either 2+ remotes for all but those who can or think they can get by with just the TV for most/all of their TV viewing OR it's doing what I describe above (leaning on the IR capabilities) if the "one remote" goal is important enough.Personally, I'm hoping Universal Remote Control Inc or Logitech or similar are already building a new learning + universal + unique (features of) Apple remote functionality remote for those of us who can NOT get all the video we want from just
TV but want "one remote to rule them all" AND those unique features of the new TV remote.Personally, I'm hoping Universal Remote Control Inc or Logitech or similar are already building a new learning + universal + unique (features of) Apple remote functionality remote for those of us who can NOT get all the video we want from just
I would buy one, but I wouldn't hold your breath. My guess is that the market is probably too small, and that Apple probably has proprietary technology powering the siri functionality and and possibly the trackpad as well.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Maybe, but even Apple probably has people that favors "one remote to rule them all." And how much would they want to protect the technology within the remote anyway? For all we know the bulk of the remote inputs might just be microphone and touch sensitive pad, etc, with the bulk of the processing actually done within the TV. Microphones and touch pads are NOT proprietary; lots of competitor devices have those. So if the bulk of the "special" processing is within the TV instead of the remote, maybe another company can replicate the remote functions and send the same signals in the same way to the TV. If so, that's the path to a new kind of universal remote that incorporates the new Apple remote's functionality.
That may be (too) hopeful but I'd much prefer one remote for everything than having to go back to 2+. I'm guessing there must be at least some people at Apple that would feel the same. Hopefully at lease 1 of them has enough influence to let it happen.
TV. Microphones and touch pads are NOT proprietary; lots of competitor devices have those. So if the bulk of the "special" processing is within the TV instead of the remote, maybe another company can replicate the remote functions and send the same signals in the same way to the TV. If so, that's the path to a new kind of universal remote that incorporates the new Apple remote's functionality. That may be (too) hopeful but I'd much prefer one remote for everything than having to go back to 2+. I'm guessing there must be at least some people at Apple that would feel the same. Hopefully at lease 1 of them has enough influence to let it happen.