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Meh. Hopefully there is more to it than that.

If that is all there is to it, then it really does need a price cut.
Yeah, it’s going to need to do something more than have a camera and faster innards to get me to upgrade. A better remote would be a start. The current one is awful.
 
Yeah, it’s going to need to do something more than have a camera and faster innards to get me to upgrade. A better remote would be a start. The current one is awful.
I don't mind the current remote. It's not great but I wouldn't call it awful, although I agree it could be improved.

The one I would call awful is the prior design. That was a disaster.


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I’m not seeing what the great improvements were in the current version.

The current version has a mute button.
The trackpad is more visually and tactilely identifiable, whereas the old one it was more difficult to tell where the trackpad started and stopped. Also, the trackpad has directional buttons now. Finally, it's more intuitive to tell if it's upside down or not. Almost impossible to tell on the old one in a dark room, worsening the aforementioned trackpad issue.

I think the current remote is a home run, but I didn't hate the old one either.
 
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Please...just allow us to pass through audio to an audio receiver. Just..please.

The trackpad is more visually and tactilely identifiable, whereas the old one it was more difficult to tell where the trackpad started and stopped. Also, the trackpad has directional buttons now. Finally, it's more intuitive to tell if it's upside down or not. Almost impossible to tell on the old one in a dark room, worsening the aforementioned trackpad issue.

I think the current remote is a home run, but I didn't hate the old one either.

The end result of the new remote has made things worse, though, imo. Before with the trackpad, you only had one way to seek through a video, which was to use the trackpad. You could quickly get from beginning to end of a show/movie with a flick of the finger. It wasn't super precise, but I got used to it, and I appreciated how quickly you could get from end to end if an app didn't remember where I left off (happening more often when going device to device these days..).

Now with the new remote, they have buttons and the trackpad, which seems better..more options, but now I am finding that apps have made seeking with the trackpad an actively worse experience because they have buttons as an option. Now getting end to end is a miserable experience on apps like Amazon and even Netflix lately.

In the end, the app to app experience has trended worse since the remote change, IMO. In a vacuum, I like the new remote much more, but it's really muddled the experience unfortunately because implementation has been inconsistent and poor between apps.
 
Please...just allow us to pass through audio to an audio receiver. Just..please.



The end result of the new remote has made things worse, though, imo. Before with the trackpad, you only had one way to seek through a video, which was to use the trackpad. You could quickly get from beginning to end of a show/movie with a flick of the finger. It wasn't super precise, but I got used to it, and I appreciated how quickly you could get from end to end if an app didn't remember where I left off (happening more often when going device to device these days..).

Now with the new remote, they have buttons and the trackpad, which seems better..more options, but now I am finding that apps have made seeking with the trackpad an actively worse experience because they have buttons as an option. Now getting end to end is a miserable experience on apps like Amazon and even Netflix lately.

In the end, the app to app experience has trended worse since the remote change, IMO. In a vacuum, I like the new remote much more, but it's really muddled the experience unfortunately because implementation has been inconsistent and poor between apps.
I haven’t really noticed what you’re talking about with skipping through content using the trackpad except it does take more swipes because the pad is smaller on the new one.

As far as the buttons go, I personally don’t use them and was fine without them on the old version but I remember many people complaining about a lack of directional buttons back then, which is why I listed them as an improvement because I think most people would agree with that.
 
Does anyone keep their Apple TV in a location where having a camera would make sense?
Not really. It's slightly out of sight, so a camera wouldn't make sense for me. However, that could change if Apple allowed me to disable the blinking light every time I click a button on the remote. Then I would put it in sight, in which case a camera would be nice, as Continuity is very flakey for me.
 
Keep it as is and drop the price $30 on both models, done.
And then some more in euros, please. The 64 GB model starts at a whopping 167 euros over here (Netherlands) and for the 128 GB version, I had to shell out a little more. It was absolutely worth it, no arguing there, but it's still waaaay overpriced. In the US it's not a bad deal. Could be a bit cheaper, but a better deal than over here at least.
 
Disagree. The reasons to get an ATV over relying on smart TVs are well documented in this forum, although largely a matter of opinion. The ATV is the only interface I want to use for TV watching, I've tried the others.
Hmm App Mode with GoogleTV seems to be a simple interface to me.
 
Airplay can be a bit wonky and not all apps use it in my experience. In addition, it ties up your device while you use it vs an ATV which is more reliable and a seperate device.

Then there is the whole issue of multiple TVs - having Apple devices other than ATV to run them can get expensive, plus the ATV can be where young kids can't play/break it.



Given Apple's ecosystem model and subscription models it makes perfect sense to have an ATV that may well become a full fledged home hub.
Sounds like an issue either between the smart tv manufacturer and/or Apple regarding its AirPlay 2 implementation.

One can use TVOS/FrontRow 2.0 to potentially project its UI/UX onto many devices with separate instances or accounts, consider it being a server app like Plex. Do we really need a standalone device when AppleSilicon chips can run circles around the competition. Seems like waste to me. At least bring back FrontRow for AS.
 
Based on this it sounds like the chip upgrade is just because it is economical for Apple to make more Apple TVs with newer chips. Theres no real performance strain on tvOS is there? Which questions what is the future of tvOS and Apple TV hardware?

I’d like them to figure out how to bring their X-ray clone function to all media/streaming apps on the AppleTV, because I really don’t use the AppleTV app. Enhance the OS … possible use for Apple Intelligence on the ATV?

Something to make the AppleTV hardware and OS the best home for your entertainment…

I’m just not sure if Apple has anyone that invested in the platform to fight to make it happen.
 
I suppose if they packaged it in such a way it could be clipped to the top rear of the TV set with the camera peeking over the top it could work.
I'd considered that, but it feels very "un-Apple". Also, if they're making a separate camera, why not just sell the camera as a standalone product? Nothing about this rumour makes sense to me.
 
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Sounds like an issue either between the smart tv manufacturer and/or Apple regarding its AirPlay 2 implementation.

No matter who's at fault, it's still an issue and would hurt the experience. The user doesn't care who needs to fix it, they just want stuff to work.
 
And then some more in euros, please. The 64 GB model starts at a whopping 167 euros over here (Netherlands) and for the 128 GB version, I had to shell out a little more. It was absolutely worth it, no arguing there, but it's still waaaay overpriced. In the US it's not a bad deal. Could be a bit cheaper, but a better deal than over here at least.
I defiantly feel like one thing that Apple could do to increase Apple TV sales is lower the price a bit. Especially when you can get a Roku for $19.99 here in the States.
 
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I defiantly feel like one thing that Apple could do to increase Apple TV sales is lower the price a bit. Especially when you can get a Roku for $19.99 here in the States.

True, but Roku is a data collection company masquerading as a video device. Lower prices would be nice but I'll pay the price to not to be feeding yet another company my info and getting ads as a bonus.
 
True, but Roku is a data collection company masquerading as a video device. Lower prices would be nice but I'll pay the price to not to be feeding yet another company my info and getting ads as a bonus.
You and I know that, I also use the Apple TV but the average user most most likely doesn't care and just wants to save money.
 
You and I know that, I also use the Apple TV but the average user most most likely doesn't care and just wants to save money.

Yea, that's Apple's challenge. A number of people I know ditched their Roku/Firesticks once they tried an ATV becasue the experience was better.

One issue I have is apps wanting me to resign in after an update and ATV not then signing me in on all the ATVs in the house so I don't have to sign up on each one the first time I open the app. There Amy be a setting to synch apps bu I haven't really looked for it because I only get frustrated occasionally.
 
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