New Apple TV to Start at $149, Feature Universal Search With Siri

Now with homekit integration......hey siri, turn off the lights, and lock the door. iphone to siri to appletv to homekit
My thoughts every time someone wants Hal (Siri) doing home automation. No offense in the following just my bit of humor. Hey Siri, turn off lights...sorry i5pro I do not understand, Hey Siri, lock the door...sorry cannot communicate with door did you check the batteries, Hey Siri, TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AND LOCK THE DOOR...now i5pro no need to get testy, please I beg you to turn off the lights and lock the door...I am still unable to turn off the lights and lock the door, maybe you should get off your backside and do it yourself. How may I help you further? Hey Siri, "give us a hint"....I do not do home automation or windows.
 
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Now with homekit integration......hey siri, turn off the lights, and lock the door. iphone to siri to appletv to homekit
^^I am wanting a good attempt at this, I have a few home automation projects going now (2 controllers, lights, garage door, sensors and the like) which is fragmented. Waiting to see if Apple can pull this off and have some seamless control over all platforms, I don't think this is going to be working at full steam out of the box or they would already have it in place.
 
It all comes down to Apple and their draconian App Store rules and whether or not Kodi would be rejected under those rules. Given it does things like run its own hack version of Airplay and what not, I kind of think they would either have to offer a stripped down version at best. They simply may not want to bother to even try and meet Apple's requirements to be on the App Store.

They have VLC. Microsoft has their own streaming app as does Google Chrome (Chromecast anyone?). There is absolutely no reason why Apple would say no to Kodi.

I don't know who this "some" is. Do you live in some 3rd world country? Everyone I know has had at least one HDTV for 8-10 years now. I had my first HDTV in 1999 (16 years ago). In other words, just because you are living in the stone age and think 480p or 720p is good enough and that 1080p is absolutely AMAZING, that doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees. Besides, Apple already has a 1080p model. An App Store alone is not really enough to justify higher prices. They could have offered an App Store for the current model. And while you seem to think that the chips in this thing aren't that great, I think some iPhone owners would disagree.

I'm not saying that 720p is amazing. But your "test" case or your "sampling" is just that, extremely limited. Penetration of 4K tv's right now is extremely limited. Again, Apple plays by the 90% rule. Prove me wrong by your INCREDIBLE WIDE SPANNING SAMPLING of YOUR FRIENDS. (Wow! A sample of 10! SO HUGE!) Prove me wrong then, where are the #s that 4K tv penetration has hit even 5% in the US or 5% worldwide. Since I apparently live in a 3rd world country (ahem, the United States), show me how HUGE 4K TVs are selling then. Show me news reports that they are selling like hotcakes. Show me the money.

Amazing the arrogance on some on here. ABSOLUTELY amazing.

I'd love to see Netflix/YouTube #s on 4K for actual TVs (not computer monitors). I'm willing to put money on the table that it's less than 1% of total users. That's not worth the time or effort in this generation for Apple to even remotely care about.

More to the point, the chips in question already are capable of 4K video playback (even on the iPhone if there were a use for it there), so NOT supporting it would be little more than Apple trying to sell you something else in a couple of years. Worse yet, it signals once again that Apple has become a follower rather than a leader. It plays catch up with others rather than be first with the new technology. It signals that Apple is no longer an innovator but merely an overpriced status item like in the days before Steve Jobs returned to bring VALUE back to the brand name. Apple in the 90s was a status item and that's it. That nearly ran Apple into the ground. Given the recent stock plunge, I think there are some others out there wondering if Apple's best days are now behind it. Without innovation and leadership, Apple might as well just be Rolex, only without the best quality parts.

It's not about the parts, it's about the content.

Since when has Apple been about the LOW-END in the past 15 years?

Apple has always always plays for the 90%. Keep up.

Actually, Crysis (as in the original) would be simple to run on it and that's because Crysis came out EIGHT FLIPPING YEARS AGO DUDE!!! :rolleyes:

It's a joke dude. But again, guarantee at full 1080 (heck 720), an iOS processor cannot do at full res. Go on. Prove me wrong.

I don't know about others (I haven't read the entire thread, but I talked about playing 4K VIDEO (i.e. Movies and/or Videos) not 4K games. First and foremost, AppleTV is supposed to be about VIDEO (Movies, TV Shows, etc.) and the fact there is already 4K streaming out there (Netflix) means that Apple either needs to jump out there as the BEST or they might as well hang it up because there are plenty of imitators out there selling 1080p for less (even Apple's own previous model). If Apple wants to control this market, they need to be the BEST and that means staying ahead of the curve, not dropping behind it.

Apple plays for the 90%. 90%+ of the world does not have a 4K TV yet.
 
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WHO is this "WE" ? Don't pretend to speak for others as if you know what everyone thinks.

Who is that person to speak for everyone as well too? Get off YOUR high horse.

Why should I or any one else care if he/she is going to buy an Apple product? That's his/her problem, and I have NO issue saying that no one should care.

Get off your high horse.

If apple continue to follow everyone else rather than lead with the newest tech, they will eventually be out of business. It's the difference between 1990s Apple and 2000s Apple with Steve Jobs the innovator. Apple charges premium prices and so they should offer premium products. They already have a 1080p "cheap" model. This one should be a leader, not a follower.

As I said above. Just like ALL OF THEIR OTHER INITIATIVES, Apple always plays for the 90%.
 
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The main competition at $199 is the Nvidea Shield. It has 4k, voice search, games, a game controller, an App Store, etc. I am just not sure what Apple is offering at this same price point that will make it a better buy than the Nvidea for people that already have an Appletv 3. I guess we will see what apps are included that make it unique, but bringing it out without 4k will make it feel old in a year or two while the Nvidea will still feel current.

I don't think the 4k display/TV market is huge right now, but the prices have dropped dramatically, so I think that people upgrading in the next year or two will be getting 4k.

I am going to wait until after the Appletv introduction to decide, but I am leaning toward getting an Nvidea Shield, even though my only 4k device is a 32 inch monitor. However, I currently have nothing that can feed it a 4k signal while I wait for Skylake, so the Nvidea will give me a source.

It is disappointing that Apple has adopted this 90 percent strategy, if true. We would never march forward to new and better things if the other tech companies followed that strategy. Actually, I doubt we would have ever gotten the iPod or the iPhone. They would have waited for more people to be in the MP3 market and the smartphone market before bringing them out, which may never have happened without Apple's participation. In other words, Apple made those markets expand exponentially with their products. Same could hold true for the 4k market. ( it is interesting that rumors are saying that the new iPhone will have 4k recording capabilities, so apparently, those videos should never make it to our TVs?)
 
149 is not the same price point as 199.
There is supposed to be a $199 version, according to the rumors I have seen.

Don't know of anything at $149, so it would still compete with the closest price, which would be the $99 stuff and the $199 stuff.
 
The main competition at $199 is the Nvidea Shield. It has 4k, voice search, games, a game controller, an App Store, etc. I am just not sure what Apple is offering at this same price point that will make it a better buy than the Nvidea for people that already have an Appletv 3. I guess we will see what apps are included that make it unique, but bringing it out without 4k will make it feel old in a year or two while the Nvidea will still feel current.

I don't think the 4k display/TV market is huge right now, but the prices have dropped dramatically, so I think that people upgrading in the next year or two will be getting 4k.

I am going to wait until after the Appletv introduction to decide, but I am leaning toward getting an Nvidea Shield, even though my only 4k device is a 32 inch monitor. However, I currently have nothing that can feed it a 4k signal while I wait for Skylake, so the Nvidea will give me a source.

It is disappointing that Apple has adopted this 90 percent strategy, if true. We would never march forward to new and better things if the other tech companies followed that strategy. Actually, I doubt we would have ever gotten the iPod or the iPhone. They would have waited for more people to be in the MP3 market and the smartphone market before bringing them out, which may never have happened without Apple's participation. In other words, Apple made those markets expand exponentially with their products. Same could hold true for the 4k market. ( it is interesting that rumors are saying that the new iPhone will have 4k recording capabilities, so apparently, those videos should never make it to our TVs?)

So, you think they should put out some crap spec no matter the consequence for the overall product, because... Well.. who knows... Considering that compressed Netflix 4K streams are worse than OTA 1080P and that below a 60-65 inch TV 4K is useless at normal viewing distances (but not useless on a computer monitor, where Apple TV would not be); what is the rationale for 4K? Tick off a marketing box?

Considering that many cable cutters watch TV on their computers or tablets with terrible contrasts or colors and 99% aren't 4K either. Not sure what most people would be missing. Not even sure people will really know what native 4K will look like and will be awed by something that's not better really than 1080P off a blue-ray.

Apple doesn't often focus on one spec, they try to offer a well rounded device with good performance while others sacrifice some aspect to present the big shiny spec...

If TVs get a better gammut, dynamic range, contrast, less tearing during motion, angle, etc... All of this will produce a better image right now that's more noticeable than bumping resolution on compressed content.
 
They have VLC. Microsoft has their own streaming app as does Google Chrome (Chromecast anyone?). There is absolutely no reason why Apple would say no to Kodi.

I'm glad you're the legal expert that you magically somehow know this already. The mere fact that Kodi carries a hack version of Airplay could disqualify it alone.

I'm not saying that 720p is amazing. But your "test" case or your "sampling" is just that, extremely limited. Penetration of 4K tv's right now is extremely limited.

What does that have to do with leading with new technology rather than following everyone else long after they've already released their 4K products???

Again, Apple plays by the 90% rule. Prove me wrong by your INCREDIBLE WIDE SPANNING SAMPLING of YOUR FRIENDS. (Wow! A sample of 10! SO HUGE!)

You appear to have attitude about this subject that has nothing to do with whom or who I do or do not know. I can only assume it's because you want to support Apple's position no matter what (well you assume what their position will be based on some "90%" rule or something that never existed under Steve Jobs' leadership.

Prove me wrong then, where are the #s that 4K tv penetration has hit even 5% in the US or 5% worldwide.

See above. My arguments have nothing to do with market penetration. How much market penetration did the smart phone market have before the iPhone? Given the modern example that the iPhone started and not some cheesy crap phone that existed before that time that had a mega-slow "browser" on it, I'd say 0% market penetration. THAT is what made Apple special. THAT is what made Apple what it is today. Jobs may have saved Apple with OS X and the iPod, but he made Apple the GIANT it is today with the iPhone by LEADING the market with NEW technology rather than waiting for someone else to do it first and then "follow" long after that point when the market felt "safe" (Samsung + Android). Would Android even exist today as such without Apple CREATING the new market? I doubt it. At some point, someone would have, but when is anyone's guess. Apple would not be the juggernaut it is today without the iPhone, that much is CERTAIN.

But what you want to tell me is that Apple should play the role of Samsung and wait for someone else to get their 4K TV media player out and wait for a healthy market of 4K televisions before bothering to add it long after others have lead the way. Apple has been doing jack squat with AppleTV for a LONG time now and it's already lost its position as a leader in this sort of thing and had to play catch-up with 1080p and it's market share shows it. Not everything has to be an instant profit maker, after all. The Mac Pro wasn't a huge part of Apple's overall revenue, but it gave it PROFESSIONAL cachet the same way the Corvette gives Chevrolet a reputation that isn't just "junk boring cars".

As I've already said and you continue to IGNORE, the A8 chip used in the new AppleTV can already play 4K video! (http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/21/exclusive-the-iphone-6s-a8-chip-can-play-4k-video/). So your entire premise that Apple should 'wait' on larger markets and future technology is rendered null and void by the fact that the new AppleTV already HAS 4K capability in terms of its hardware. It's just a matter of Apple letting that hardware FUNCTION. Even if Apple isn't ready to sell or rent 4K movies, they can at least let the home user watch Netflix in 4K, if not let home users play their own 4K videos (yes there are 4K digital cameras out there at prices many consumers can afford, even ones that are professional mirror-less SLR types) for well under $2000 and the GoPro HERO4 4K video camera is selling for a mere $500 (http://4k.com/camera/).

It costs Apple literally NOTHING in terms of hardware to allow 4K video on the new AppleTV. But knowing their recent history since the death of Mr. Jobs, they will not enable it simply so they can sell you another device again in a few years, not realizing they are killing their own product in the process. I'm still using my 1st Gen AppleTVs because they can easily run XBMC/Kodi and with a slight mod (Broadcom chip), they can do 1080p in hardware. I've gotten a LOT of use out of them. But who wants to spend $175 for the new AppleTV KNOWING that it's already OBSOLETE on DAY 1 for the future and worse yet, that it COULD run 4K but Apple will never enable it purely for profiteering reasons and the fact that users who can run 4K Netflix will want to know why iTunes doesn't offer 4K movies NOW. Those are poor reasons to deny a 4K mode, but given the near-sighted people running Apple these days, it won't surprise me. Neither do people like you who simply agree with everything Apple does no matter how bad those decisions are.

Since I apparently live in a 3rd world country (ahem, the United States), show me how HUGE 4K TVs are selling then. Show me news reports that they are selling like hotcakes. Show me the money.

You don't seem to get it and I'm betting that you never will.

Amazing the arrogance on some on here. ABSOLUTELY amazing.

Yes, I agree 100%. Your arrogance is absolutely amazing. I provide detailed arguments to support my positions and you just practically scream on and on about market share and why should Apple bother because of market share and there's not enough market share to bother and hey, there's market share to consider. That's not the Apple I knew and loved under Steve Jobs. THAT Apple was an innovator not a "me too" follower. No one ever ruled the world by being a follower.

Apple has always always plays for the 90%. Keep up.

It's a joke dude. But again, guarantee at full 1080 (heck 720), an iOS processor cannot do at full res. Go on. Prove me wrong.

I already did, but I'll post it again in case it's too much bother to look for it (http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/21/exclusive-the-iphone-6s-a8-chip-can-play-4k-video/). But I can't turn follower types (especially an emotionally charged fanatical follower type) into a logically thinking and well-reasoned leader that takes chances on new products and new technologies. Steve Jobs didn't wait for Samsung to invent the Galaxy line of phones first. He was a leader and an innovator. He took a chance on the original AppleTV before there was a Roku or an Amazon Fire. He didn't hesitate to lead with new products or make the best product available when financially feasible. Tim Cook lacks those leadership skills, IMO. He counts on people like Johnny Ive to come up with ideas and Johnny Ive had trouble even figuring out how to make a watch that others have already made (and it's not selling that great from what I've read).

Who is that person to speak for everyone as well too? Get off YOUR high horse.

I'm not speaking for everyone else. YOU ARE. The fact that you can't even tell the difference tells me what you know about life in general.

There are plenty of people out there that have said they have no interest in the new AppleTV unless it has 4K and that's because they want a product that can handle all their video needs, including the new technology coming out right now (4K Blu-Ray is just becoming available). You can either be with the future or live in the past. You would have said to not put out a DVD player when they first came out because VCRs are good enough for everyone and >90% of the people in the world use VCRs and so what's the point of having a DVD player (or laserdisc when it was the high-end format).

Should Apple be about low-end products or a high-end products? It seems to me you want them to cater to the least-common denominator and nothing else.
 
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Apple is set to introduce the next iteration of its Apple TV lineup at next week's September 9 media event, alongside the expected announcement of new iPhones, and a previously rumored feature is gaining additional traction today with a report from BuzzFeed claiming the new Apple TV will have universal search functionality, letting users search once and get hits from multiple sources, not just iTunes.

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Universal search feature will reportedly be a "cornerstone" of the new Apple TV, allowing users to, for example, search for one movie across services like Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and iTunes, among others. The ability to search for actors and directors will also be included in the search options, and won't limit users to just movie or television show titles. The report also claims that the new Apple TV will "start" at a price point of $149, hinting that there could be more expensive models with perhaps the possibility of expanded storage capacities. The $149 retail price does line up with previous rumors that pegged the Apple TV of launching with either a $149 or $199 price tag. The company has been said to be keeping the third-generation Apple TV, currently priced at $69, as an entry-level option.

Along with Siri integration, the next-generation Apple TV is rumored to feature an A8 processor, a touch-pad remote, and an App Store with an SDK available for developers to create apps. The new box will be aimed at more than just video consumption, with recent rumors hinting that the newly designed remote control will include motion sensors to support "casual" gaming experiences.

Update 8:52 AM: According to a follow-up report by 9to5Mac, the new Apple TV's onboard storage will be in the 8-16 GB range, and the touchpad remote included with the box will be black rather than the silver seen on the current Apple TV remote.

Article Link: New Apple TV to Start at $149, Feature Universal Search With Siri
 
The one underlying technology that needs improvement to go along with the hardware is a revamped iTunes. The current iTunes lacks the flexibility to merge two or more family user accounts seamlessly and the filing structure is horrible. I mean when you look at your iTunes media folder it's a hodgepodge affair with music at the directory's root level in folders by artists and then all your movies stuffed into a folder called movies and TV seasons in another folder called TV. How about a true hierarchical directory tree and the ability group movies into series (e.g., Harry Potter etc.) and TV shows by seasons? I love my ATV and have nearly 5 terabytes of content ... so give me the tools to use this content on my ATV without all the clunky piecemeal bits and pieces of iTunes. Just my 2 cents ...
 
If this app store for the apple tv only has games then count me out as a buyer. That is something apple would do, lock it down to games and that would be a big mistake
 
So, you think they should put out some crap spec no matter the consequence for the overall product, because... Well.. who knows... Considering that compressed Netflix 4K streams are worse than OTA 1080P and that below a 60-65 inch TV 4K is useless at normal viewing distances (but not useless on a computer monitor, where Apple TV would not be); what is the rationale for 4K? Tick off a marketing box?

Considering that many cable cutters watch TV on their computers or tablets with terrible contrasts or colors and 99% aren't 4K either. Not sure what most people would be missing. Not even sure people will really know what native 4K will look like and will be awed by something that's not better really than 1080P off a blue-ray.

Apple doesn't often focus on one spec, they try to offer a well rounded device with good performance while others sacrifice some aspect to present the big shiny spec...

If TVs get a better gammut, dynamic range, contrast, less tearing during motion, angle, etc... All of this will produce a better image right now that's more noticeable than bumping resolution on compressed content.

Agree, agree, agree! The 4K thing is especially hilarious since the vast majority of watchers out there wouldn't know what it was if it came up and bit them in the arse. Sure, the cherry picked demo 4K feed at the store looks good at a viewing distance of 3 feet which is eh hem probably a little closer than most living rooms are setup. Just saying. On top of that, people are pretty content with a good 1080p setup as they should be since it looks awesome. If your 1080 setup doesn't look good then your gear sucks or something else is wrong.

Let's face it, 4K is just a rebound gimmick that the TV mfgers are throwing out there since 3D was such a monumental FLOP. They've run out of revenue streams regarding 1080 gear. Hey, they'll figure it out but I don't believe 4K will fare much better than 3D did. Most folks just don't care and that's that.
 
I have a Comcast X1 box. the setup i use for that is nowhere close to 1980 technology.

Perhaps the early 2000s and prior was horrible. Heck, up to 2010 in our area Comcast sucked. but that is miles away from the new search functionality. when i search for a movie or show name it will list latest episodes, any on my DVR and any on OnDemand. it will show recordings scheduled too. and then list a "just like this" or whatever the genius thing is, any actors/actresses and info on them and other shows/movies.
you need to go get a TIVO. It smokes an X1 in user friendly tech
 
Apple plays for the 90%. 90%+ of the world does not have a 4K TV yet.

If Apple plays for 90%, why did they yank disk drives and ethernet connections when far more than 70% of the Apple buyers were still actively using them? I'm sure there are other examples, but those 2 spring to mind
 
I have 3 ATVs. If the new one requires itunes running to view local content, I'm out. Done with the apple architecture. I've owned every major version of the iphone and wil stick with that. The remote app always disconnects. It's always the same fix. Are you running the latest version of ITunes, upgrade your router, turn on home sharing only 5 pc allowed, Ya da da, etc. Funny my XBMC and Firetv always connects. Too bad, like the interface. BTW, hopefully IOS 9 will allow my music videos to shuffle in landscape on my 128 gig iphone. Total fail.
 
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