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I don't care what this costs Apple to make. I would rather my order just get filled. It's been a week and I don't even see that it's shipped yet...

I'm not sure where you live or if you even have an Apple Store in your town, but if you do, you might want to try just going to your local Apple Store. I was able to walk in on Saturday (around 2pm) and just grab some off the shelf. Although I did grab the last two, one of the employees told me that they have been getting a shipping every morning since wednesday (and they are selling fast).

So if might be worth a shot.
 
The Remote App is amazing...however, I've noticed in the last 2 days that the "menu" button at the bottom of the :apple:TV controller won't respond, meanwhile, all other touches and gestures work perfectly. Anyone else experiencing this?

I noticed that as well. It seems to happen after the iPhone's screen turns off. The solution is to close the app and reopen it. I think it's a bug.
 
I noticed that as well. It seems to happen after the iPhone's screen turns off. The solution is to close the app and reopen it. I think it's a bug.

Ok, well, good to know I'm not the only one experiencing this. It's annoying as all hell to have to keep pressing it over and over. Hopefully an update is around the corner and they don't make us wait till 4.2 or something like that.
 
Almost all DVDs come with some kind of copy protection (which Handbrake or MacTheRipper usually don't care about), CDs often come without copy protection. That would make a legal difference, probably enough difference for Apple not to advertise it.

That's not exactly it. CD's copy protection rules allow for one digital copy to be made, DVD's does not. That is the legal difference.
 
...in Chicago, $99 is $111.38 with 12.5% sales tax.

GEEZ. When I used to live in Virginia Beach, VA sales tax was 4.5% and there was a tax on food. (REALLY LOW sales tax).

I live in The Panhandle of FL now and the sales tax is 7.5% but we have no taxes on food.

12.5% is just CRAZY!
 
Simple plan... make little to no money on the device. Make money on apps and content.

Yup, the old shaver / razors marketing scheme. Has worked well in video games for decades. Also, since it is Apple's own A4 chip, was just production cost of that processor taken into account instead of comparable market device prices?
 
GEEZ. When I used to live in Virginia Beach, VA sales tax was 4.5% and there was a tax on food. (REALLY LOW sales tax).

I live in The Panhandle of FL now and the sales tax is 7.5% but we have no taxes on food.

12.5% is just CRAZY!

In January 2011, the UK is going to have 20% VAT (Sales Tax). It's 17.5% at the moment...
 
It does not matter how cheap Apple makes the Apple TV device.
If it doesn't have a DVD drive so that I can play my collection of DVDs, which cost a lot to build up, then I don't want it. Furthermore I frequently rent DVDs because doing so is cheap.
Just as important, I don't trust any company to not censor or exclude content. Many of the best documentaries are not available via iTunes or Netflix because these big corporations are tightly connected to banks and whatnot that don't want the public to hear dissenting views.
If Apple wants to innovate (don't they?) they will put a region-unlocked DVD player in the Apple TV.
And a recording capability.
 
It does not matter how cheap Apple makes the Apple TV device.
If it doesn't have a DVD drive so that I can play my collection of DVDs, which cost a lot to build up, then I don't want it. Furthermore I frequently rent DVDs because doing so is cheap.
Just as important, I don't trust any company to not censor or exclude content. Many of the best documentaries are not available via iTunes or Netflix because these big corporations are tightly connected to banks and whatnot that don't want the public to hear dissenting views.
If Apple wants to innovate (don't they?) they will put a region-unlocked DVD player in the Apple TV.
And a recording capability.

Don't you already own a DVD player?
 
Interesting.If that is correct(a BIG if)that leaves $36 for development,packaging and free fedex from China.Not much.
 
LOL, no matter what Apple do, such as reducing price, these fools will always find a way to rag about Apple's profit. Ignoring R&D, etc at the same time.

What clowns.
 
I have two of the original type AppleTV's, and the thing I hate the most is how unresponsive the UI can be at times. It can take 30 seconds to respond to a click on the remote. I'm not sure if that's because I'm syncing to my iTunes and I have a HUGE media library there, or if it's just overtaxing the processor (I'm hooked up on GigE, not wireless, so that shouldn't be the issue).

I'd replace them just for a better UI... and Netflix is a nice bonus.

Reviews or comparisons anyone?

Off topic post, but I'll respond. It's much better, even with huge libraries there is little wait. My 5k list of movies on my home share comes up in under 10 seconds, scrolling is instantaneous.
 
It does not matter how cheap Apple makes the Apple TV device.
If it doesn't have a DVD drive so that I can play my collection of DVDs, which cost a lot to build up, then I don't want it. Furthermore I frequently rent DVDs because doing so is cheap.
Just as important, I don't trust any company to not censor or exclude content. Many of the best documentaries are not available via iTunes or Netflix because these big corporations are tightly connected to banks and whatnot that don't want the public to hear dissenting views.
If Apple wants to innovate (don't they?) they will put a region-unlocked DVD player in the Apple TV.
And a recording capability.

Party like it's 2002 dude.
 
App's on an TV would make me buy this. Right now, I just use my iPod to watch movies on my TV. It is simple and easy. I would much rather stream them to an TV but I need more from the device to justify

Whar kind of apps could you possibly need for your TV?
 
I say this is great but I never like cost estimates on parts especially for Apple products. What about the cost of research that goes into these things, for the chip, OS, design, UI design and overall engineering? Not to mention generally good quality of material.

For me,
R&D costs + $64 >>> $99 per unit.

Again bravo.

At the end of the day, I'm all for an 'Apple tax' on some products, if such a thing even exists (I don't personally see it so blatantly as some other folks).
 
sillypooh said:
I say this is great but I never like cost estimates on parts especially for Apple products. What about the cost of research that goes into these things, for the chip, OS, design, UI design and overall engineering? Not to mention generally good quality of material.

For me,
R&D costs + $64 >>> $99 per unit.

Again bravo.

At the end of the day, I'm all for an 'Apple tax' on some products, if such a thing even exists (I don't personally see it so blatantly as some other folks).

Considering that its basically a low end iPod touch without a screen or battery, I'd say r&d is pretty well written off to nothing by now.
 
Now if Apple had just spent another ~$25 for better parts/specs and sold it for $149 - then I might consider buying one.
 
Why are you guys acting like this a gift from apple? It's not about the devise it's about all the **** you're going to purchase with it.. Duh?
 
They can give them away for free to consumers and still come out ahead.

The money is to be made on the movie rentals - so subsidizing the purchase price (like XBox did), would be a good move.

Just give them away I say Apple.

$99 is practically free anyway, but drop it to $29.99 and you'll have people worked up in a frenzy haha.
 
That's not exactly it. CD's copy protection rules allow for one digital copy to be made, DVD's does not. That is the legal difference.
That is not accurate, AFAIK. The court cases and laws that give people in the US the right to space and time shift their media do not have limits other than it must be for personal use. For example, it is legal to copy a CD to your computer and then copy the songs again to your iPod even though that means you now have three copies of the media. The same rights extend to DVDs unfortunately the government let lobbyists do an end around the law by passing the DMCA thus making it illegal to break/circumvent copyright protection schemes. Recently the US Copyright Office changed the law so it is no longer illegal to break DVD encryption if the footage is going to be used for educational or critic purposes, but there was no change w/regards to personal use. Hopefully that will change in the future though.


Lethal
 
I say this is great but I never like cost estimates on parts especially for Apple products. What about the cost of research that goes into these things, for the chip, OS, design, UI design and overall engineering? Not to mention generally good quality of material.

For me,
R&D costs + $64 >>> $99 per unit.

Again bravo.

At the end of the day, I'm all for an 'Apple tax' on some products, if such a thing even exists (I don't personally see it so blatantly as some other folks).

According to this calculation they're losing a lot of money on the hardware. What about:

-Employee salaries? Don't they deserve to get paid?
-Office and building space?
-Marketing costs?
-Shipping costs?
-Legal costs?
-Profit?
-etc, etc.
 
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