New CarPlay Vehicles From Honda, Kia and Lincoln Debut at Detroit Auto Show

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A trio of carmakers have unveiled new vehicles with CarPlay and Android Auto support at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit this month, including the 2017 Honda Ridgeline, 2017 Kia Forte5 and 2017 Lincoln Continental. All three models will be available in the first half of 2016.

Kia's all-new 2017 Forte5 will feature CarPlay and Android Auto support

The 2017 Ridgeline will mark Honda's return to the North American pickup truck market, which it exited after discontinuing the mid-size sport utility truck in 2014. Meanwhile, the 2017 Forte5 and 2017 Continental will be among Kia's and Lincoln's first CarPlay models in their vehicle lineups.

Honda's 2016 Accord and 2016 Civic also feature CarPlay and Android Auto, while Kia has indicated later availability in the 2016 Optima.

Lincoln is a luxury vehicle brand under Ford, which earlier this month announced it is adding CarPlay and Android Auto to all 2017 vehicles in North America equipped with its SYNC 3 platform. CarPlay and Android Auto will also be available in 2016 Ford vehicles with SYNC 3 as an upgrade later this year.

CarPlay has finally experienced widespread adoption in 2016, nearly three years after being introduced as "iOS in the Car" at WWDC 2013. Toyota is one of the only major vehicle brands without a future commitment to CarPlay, although the Japanese carmaker remains listed as a CarPlay partner on Apple's website.

The trio of new vehicles have yet to be added to Apple's new CarPlay available models list published on its website last week.

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knemonic

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Honestly this is what people are looking for in a new car purchase. All manufacturers should provide CarPlay and android auto and the ability to switch between the two at will. I feel any manufacturer that doesn't do that will see slower sales for the year/s. I myself am considering a new vehicle this year and basically only looking at vehicles with CarPlay, since I don't want to have to learn a whole new system every time I buy a new car.
 

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Not sure what the benefit of CarPlay will be, but I am willing to give is a try.

Anyone know what the cost of using Car Play will be( if there is any)?
 

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Has MR missed a single model roll out of CarPlay ?

Irony being we don't have a CarPlay forum section. Or have I missed it? With the amount of coverage it's getting, maybe setup a forum ?
 
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Not sure what the benefit of CarPlay will be, but I am willing to give is a try.

Anyone know what the cost of using Car Play will be( if there is any)?
There shouldn't be any cost beyond purchasing an iPhone 5 or newer and the vehicle itself. CarPlay is an optional upgrade in some models though.
 

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CarPlay has finally experienced widespread adoption in 2016, nearly three years after being introduced as "iOS in the Car" at WWDC 2013. Toyota is one of the only major vehicle brands without a future commitment to CarPlay, although the Japanese carmaker remains listed as a CarPlay partner on Apple's website.
I think "widespread" is a bit of a stretch. Only a handful of makers have committed their entire lineup to CarPlay. Honda and Ford are still taking baby steps. Audi is only "all in" with their VW brand. BMW has committed but no announcement on what model or model year.

Widespread means it's pervasive and more common than not. But that isn't the case yet. Carplay is making tremendous strides at adoption, and is increasingly common on current models, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking it's widespread yet.
 

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So all CarPlay vehicles require a hardwired connection to your phone to work right? If so its instantly outdated and you're better off waiting, at least in my mind.
 

Chupa Chupa

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So all CarPlay vehicles require a hardwired connection to your phone to work right? If so its instantly outdated and you're better off waiting, at least in my mind.
No, I believe an upcoming version of iOS9 will support BT.
 

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Not on the list yet, but Mercedes Benz' docs state the GLS (new version of the GL 450 etc) has it available. (In all likelihood this means a lot of other 2016 MBs will have it available).

From a MB document called "Equipment list for X166 2015 Facelift" - the 2017 GLS which is to be released in March 2016:

page 14:
Smartphone integration package comprising Apple CarPlayTM, as well as micro USB and ...

Restriction:
Not in conjunction with:Mercedes-Benz emergency call system (350)
Only in conjunction with:Audio 20 CD (505), Audio 20 CD including preinstallation for Garmin® MAP PILOT (522) Standard in conjunction with:COMAND Online (531)
And from a document called "Availability (GLS Class X166 2015 Facelift)":

GLS 350 d 4MATIC Available at extra cost

GLS 400 4MATIC Available at extra cost

GLS 500 4MATIC Mercedes-AMG GLS 63 4MATIC Available at extra cost
So you can order it using the 14U in combination with command
 
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Honestly this is what people are looking for in a new car purchase. All manufacturers should provide CarPlay and android auto and the ability to switch between the two at will. I feel any manufacturer that doesn't do that will see slower sales for the year/s. I myself am considering a new vehicle this year and basically only looking at vehicles with CarPlay, since I don't want to have to learn a whole new system every time I buy a new car.
Not really at all. Like most things tech related, most people have only a passing acknowledgement of their existence. We know about CP/AA because it falls within our sphere of interest. CP/AA will help sell no more cars than back up cameras or lane departure detection. Cars are going to sell regardless, especially now since gas is beyond cheap ($1.65/gallon where I live). CP/AA will be among many options that can help move a car, but neither will significantly affect car sales the way your quote implies.
 

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Come on Mazda. Your v55 infotainment update already has some references about it for the 2016 Mazda6 (can't speak for other models):

rootfs1upd/jci/gui/apps/system/js/systemApp.js: { appData : { appName : 'carplay', isVisible : false, mmuiEvent : 'SelectCarPlay' }, text1Id : 'CarPlay', disabled : true, itemStyle : 'style01', hasCaret : false },

There is even a directory of CarPlay resources:

rootfs1upd/rootfs/jci/gui/resources/js/carplay

Just get it together please.
 
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Not really at all. Like most things tech related, most people have only a passing acknowledgement of their existence. We know about CP/AA because it falls within our sphere of interest. CP/AA will help sell no more cars than back up cameras or lane departure detection. Cars are going to sell regardless, especially now since gas is beyond cheap ($1.65/gallon where I live). CP/AA will be among many options that can help move a car, but neither will significantly affect car sales the way your quote implies.
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...f-apple-inc-carplay-is-helping-them-sell-cars

Once Apple and carmakers start promoting it, people will be asking for it and probably buyers will use it to influence their decisions. Remember, iPhone users tend to be more particular about their purchases, I feel a little more educated and informed, so my bet iPhone users will seek out CarPlay, as I am doing which means early CarPlay odopters will benefit.
 

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Not really at all. Like most things tech related, most people have only a passing acknowledgement of their existence. We know about CP/AA because it falls within our sphere of interest. CP/AA will help sell no more cars than back up cameras or lane departure detection. Cars are going to sell regardless, especially now since gas is beyond cheap ($1.65/gallon where I live). CP/AA will be among many options that can help move a car, but neither will significantly affect car sales the way your quote implies.
$0.47 in Michigan :)

And yes, people still need a method to drive. No one 'needs' these extra features. Heck, all I care about is A/C, power steering, power locks, and power windows.

All these seat warmers, motorized seats with memory, TPMS, etc is just more annoyance and drives the cost of the car up. I miss the cars of pre-2000 that didn't have a lot of that crap.

Sure having these features adds safety and comfort, but it isn't selling point of the car itself. If someone wants a Honda Accord they will buy it.

Things that do push a car sale are structural safety, price, performance, mpg, and/or reliability.
 
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So all CarPlay vehicles require a hardwired connection to your phone to work right? If so its instantly outdated and you're better off waiting, at least in my mind.
I believe BT support is on the way. At least hardwired you are charging the phone too! That is really how I keep from ever running out of battery...charge on commutes.

I have a 2015 Kia Forte 5 and absolutely love it, too bad I didn't wait a year and a half to get the 2017 one. Oh well.
I also have a newer vehicle and I seriously love carplay. 9.3 looks like it will bring some new updates as well.
 
I think "widespread" is a bit of a stretch. Only a handful of makers have committed their entire lineup to CarPlay. Honda and Ford are still taking baby steps. Audi is only "all in" with their VW brand. BMW has committed but no announcement on what model or model year.

Widespread means it's pervasive and more common than not. But that isn't the case yet. Carplay is making tremendous strides at adoption, and is increasingly common on current models, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking it's widespread yet.
Widespread: common over a wide area or among many people

Doesn't mean it's more common than not (i.e. a majority), it simply means it's available over a wide range of areas/models. I would argue that this is the case. Especially considering how carplay was announced over 2 years ago and little bits have been trickling out ever since. We've finally started seeing a wide adoption.
 
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The worst thing is nobody is offering upgrades to EXISTING cars, many of which have touchscreens (including my 2014 Honda Accord) to bring them CarPlay.

I totally love my car, yet I'd have to buy a new car just to get CarPlay. Honda could probably release a firmware update to enable it; I'd even be willing to pay decently big bucks for it, but of course they won't.

And no, complete head unit replacements don't count. My car's sound system is heavily integrated with other functionality. You can't replace it without ending up with a Franken-dash.
 

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Widespread: common over a wide area or among many people

Doesn't mean it's more common than not (i.e. a majority), it simply means it's available over a wide range of areas/models. I would argue that this is the case. Especially considering how carplay was announced over 2 years ago and little bits have been trickling out ever since. We've finally started seeing a wide adoption.
You can "argue" it all you like but the list of cars available w/ CarPlay vs ones that are not is fact. There are more cars w/o CarPlay availability than not. So if you want to pervert the meaning of widespread, go ahead. But objectively its not yet at that level. Adoption IS wider than ever, but that's different than being "widespread."
 

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I think "widespread" is a bit of a stretch. Only a handful of makers have committed their entire lineup to CarPlay. Honda and Ford are still taking baby steps. Audi is only "all in" with their VW brand. BMW has committed but no announcement on what model or model year.
^^^This!

A remark. CarPlay over WiFi (whenever that becomes fielded) has a peculiar behavior. Why?

On many autos today (including my Audi), there is a Car Area Network (CAN) using WiFi which provides an iNET connection with an (optional) data-only SIM. I expect all cars to have such a CAN.

CarPlay/WiFi has two planes: data and control. Here is my take on their behavior:

DATA PLANE:
If video/music source streams from the iNET (and not from the iDevice, which is playing as an iPod) the stream has to do a u-turn over WiFi, as follows: iNET -> CAN AP -> iDevice -> CAN AP -> car speakers

CONTROL PLANE:
All control remains on the iDevice under CarPlay, so: iDevice <-> CAN AP <-> car UI

Just a remark. I wonder how well that is going to work.
 
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Honestly this is what people are looking for in a new car purchase. All manufacturers should provide CarPlay and android auto and the ability to switch between the two at will. I feel any manufacturer that doesn't do that will see slower sales for the year/s. I myself am considering a new vehicle this year and basically only looking at vehicles with CarPlay, since I don't want to have to learn a whole new system every time I buy a new car.
CarPlay and Android Auto are "apps" that run on top of another platform, switching between them is a no brainer. I doubt you will find many if any at all that will not run them both.

About learning a new system when you buy, imagine if you travelled a lot and had to learn a new system every time you rented (such as, on a weekly basis).
 

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The worst thing is nobody is offering upgrades to EXISTING cars, many of which have touchscreens (including my 2014 Honda Accord) to bring them CarPlay.

I totally love my car, yet I'd have to buy a new car just to get CarPlay. Honda could probably release a firmware update to enable it; I'd even be willing to pay decently big bucks for it, but of course they won't.

And no, complete head unit replacements don't count. My car's sound system is heavily integrated with other functionality. You can't replace it without ending up with a Franken-dash.
I'm in the same boat... I want it in my 2011 Vette... I'm just hoping that a really good aftermarket replacement comes out. I hate the touch screen I have now... low-res... unresponsive... the the U/I stinks... CarPlay would be very awesome for me. Just waiting for the right aftermarket device to come out.
 

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^^^This!

A remark. CarPlay over WiFi (whenever that becomes fielded) has a peculiar behavior. Why?

On many autos today (including my Audi), there is a Car Area Network (CAN) using WiFi which provides an iNET connection with an (optional) data-only SIM. I expect all cars to have such a CAN.

CarPlay/WiFi has two planes: data and control. Here is my take on their behavior:

DATA PLANE:
If video/music source streams from the iNET (and not from the iDevice, which is playing as an iPod) the stream has to do a u-turn over WiFi, as follows: iNET -> CAN AP -> iDevice -> CAN AP -> car speakers

CONTROL PLANE:
All control remains on the iDevice under CarPlay, so: iDevice <-> CAN AP <-> car UI

Just a remark. I wonder how well that is going to work.
Your first example is not CarPlay enabled, if you choose to use your device as an iPod you will not have any CarPlay functionality whatosever, as if it is not connected. Using CarPlay also disables the use of Bluetooth devices with the car, as they are expected to connect to the iPhone instead...and when a CarPlay over AirPlay connection is eventually introduced, the WiFi functions will probably be lost as well.
 
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