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New Cases, Faster Performance
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fair point. Since when is 266 DDR 'cutting edge'? over a year back? samsung is starting to ship 400mhz ddr, whilst 333 is now pretty common......
its always kind of annoying to think that our version of (expensive!) 'cutting edge' contains bits and pieces that pc box builders would consider difficult to shift to punters.... For once, Im hoping Apple start pushing the envelope in something other than connection interfaces.
p.s. - am i the only one that baulks at paying for a superdrive?
Heh... I decided to fork out the extra for a SuperDrive when I got my 933 a couple of months ago. I still haven't used it! I really should, just soo I can stop feeling bad about it. Thing is, I don't have anything to put on a DVD. I guess I could back up some of my MP3s...
I think the SuperDrive is something I will grow into. DVDs will become more and more common, and I think if I'd decided not to get one, I'd be kicking myself a year from now.
Maybe it's a relative performance increase
If the chip can push more instructions per second than the current one (2310 MIPS @ 1Ghz) and the memory bandwidth is 266 or 333Mhz, I think that could add up to a 100% speed increase seeing as a 1Ghz chip on the same motherboard as a 500Mhz chip isn't going to be 100% faster because the system bus would bog it down.
RE: am i the only one that baulks at paying for a superdrive?
I think the superdrive is a bargain for the extra £160 you pay for it on the towers, you can shop around till you're bored silly and still not find the one the G4s use for less than £325 if you wanted to add one later on. You're also not forced to have one on any model apart from the top of the range iMac.
If the chip can push more instructions per second than the current one (2310 MIPS @ 1Ghz) and the memory bandwidth is 266 or 333Mhz, I think that could add up to a 100% speed increase seeing as a 1Ghz chip on the same motherboard as a 500Mhz chip isn't going to be 100% faster because the system bus would bog it down.
RE: am i the only one that baulks at paying for a superdrive?
I think the superdrive is a bargain for the extra £160 you pay for it on the towers, you can shop around till you're bored silly and still not find the one the G4s use for less than £325 if you wanted to add one later on. You're also not forced to have one on any model apart from the top of the range iMac.
The post earlier on in the week about the dual 1.4's seem far more likely to me, rather than huge leaps in clock speed - I just hope the motherboard is up to spec too.
As for the case - how about a Titainium effect case? Perhaps a Ti coloured palstic behind a clear overlay in a more industrial (squared off maybe) looking case. It would be in keeping with the Pro Ti laptop, as the consumer iMac/iBook are white. Just a thought, I'm probably way off the mark.
As for the case - how about a Titainium effect case? Perhaps a Ti coloured palstic behind a clear overlay in a more industrial (squared off maybe) looking case. It would be in keeping with the Pro Ti laptop, as the consumer iMac/iBook are white. Just a thought, I'm probably way off the mark.
Re: powerbooks?
They better as hell not. People like me who just shelled out $3200 for a new top-of-the-line TiBook would be outraged to see such a large speed bump just two months after ours were released.
Also, it's against past patterns. There has been a fairly consistent lag time of 8-10 months between high-end laptop speed bumps (Dec 00, Oct 01, May 02), though they did do an interim Combo-drive upgrade late last year. I would not expect to see new TiBooks until Macworld Tokyo next March. I would figure MW SF '03 will bring the G5 Power Macs, 1GHz+ TiBooks that March, and then in MacWorld SF '04, we see the Powerbooks jump to G5 and the iBooks to G4.
Hey, has anyone ever made a chart showing processor releases in all four lines (pro and consumer, desktop and laptop) since the G3's first came out? Would be interesting to see if there's a pattern to be taken from it.
Tokyo
They better as hell not. People like me who just shelled out $3200 for a new top-of-the-line TiBook would be outraged to see such a large speed bump just two months after ours were released.
Also, it's against past patterns. There has been a fairly consistent lag time of 8-10 months between high-end laptop speed bumps (Dec 00, Oct 01, May 02), though they did do an interim Combo-drive upgrade late last year. I would not expect to see new TiBooks until Macworld Tokyo next March. I would figure MW SF '03 will bring the G5 Power Macs, 1GHz+ TiBooks that March, and then in MacWorld SF '04, we see the Powerbooks jump to G5 and the iBooks to G4.
Hey, has anyone ever made a chart showing processor releases in all four lines (pro and consumer, desktop and laptop) since the G3's first came out? Would be interesting to see if there's a pattern to be taken from it.
Tokyo
Ummmm...
I hate to bring this up, usually I just sit quietly and read what everyone else is saying and either agree or disagree. This time, however, I've noticed something that so far no one has mentioned.
The MOSR article says that "We can't promise multi-processor 2GHz G5s, but we can promise a performance leap of more than 100% in processing speed alone over the existing PowerMac"
It DOES NOT say there will be a G4 or G5 speed increase, but a 100% increase in processing speed. A speed which chips from both Intel and AMD now occupy.
Could this finally be the the oft rumored MacOS on Intel?
????
I hate to bring this up, usually I just sit quietly and read what everyone else is saying and either agree or disagree. This time, however, I've noticed something that so far no one has mentioned.
The MOSR article says that "We can't promise multi-processor 2GHz G5s, but we can promise a performance leap of more than 100% in processing speed alone over the existing PowerMac"
It DOES NOT say there will be a G4 or G5 speed increase, but a 100% increase in processing speed. A speed which chips from both Intel and AMD now occupy.
Could this finally be the the oft rumored MacOS on Intel?
????
Re: Ummmm...
With all due respect the easy answer to this question is no. Steve has been perfectly blatent about the fact that there will not be an OS X on Intel. It will not happen now, then, or ever. Too much of the OS and apps rely on features of the PPC. So everyone out there please, for the love of God, can we please stop talking about OS X on Intel. It will never happen.
With all due respect the easy answer to this question is no. Steve has been perfectly blatent about the fact that there will not be an OS X on Intel. It will not happen now, then, or ever. Too much of the OS and apps rely on features of the PPC. So everyone out there please, for the love of God, can we please stop talking about OS X on Intel. It will never happen.
Re: Re: Ummmm...
Now what was that Quote about never needing more than 512K of memory? lol
Not that I care if it goes to intel... But never doubt possibilities.
Now what was that Quote about never needing more than 512K of memory? lol
Not that I care if it goes to intel... But never doubt possibilities.
Re: Re: Re: Ummmm...
I did work at Apple for nearly two years, and I can tell you that every rumor based on it is crap. It will not ever happen. Not ever. Believe me on this one. You would have better odds being crowned the next prince of Saudi Arabia than this one does of coming true.
I did work at Apple for nearly two years, and I can tell you that every rumor based on it is crap. It will not ever happen. Not ever. Believe me on this one. You would have better odds being crowned the next prince of Saudi Arabia than this one does of coming true.
jesus~
theconns~ sorry to say this but, you should go back to being quiet .
That was the most idiotic post i have ever read on this board.
How the hell did you get the image of AMD or Intel from
the 100% increase statement.
How is the 100 % increase the realm of pcheese. Is there a one hundred percent increase intel cpu out?
Christ,, that is one LAME interpretation. No wonder no one else has said it!
theconns~ sorry to say this but, you should go back to being quiet .
That was the most idiotic post i have ever read on this board.
How the hell did you get the image of AMD or Intel from
the 100% increase statement.
How is the 100 % increase the realm of pcheese. Is there a one hundred percent increase intel cpu out?
Christ,, that is one LAME interpretation. No wonder no one else has said it!
quadrific?
of course, a doubling in processor speed could mean that we will see quad machines, eh?
of course, a doubling in processor speed could mean that we will see quad machines, eh?
ok kids. we are going to see a new power mac at MWNY no doubts. MOSR has been a reliable source for as long as i've been reading mac news. (when i got my subscription to macaddict, issue 4) what we are going to be seeing is the same we saw for the G4 intro. We will see a new board, we will see the new features, but with the reliable processor. i.e (for example not internet explorer i dont want to get sued) the 350 G4 tower was basically a souped up G3. This time we will have the souped up G4 but call it a g4. we will not see a g5 until 2003. this makes the most sense from their rumors of increased everything. this would bring us into the range of the G5. 1.4ghz high end G4 become the 1.4ghz low end G5. This is definately something to look forward to. Another thing pointing to the G5 coming next year is the fact that G4s have been used in all machines but the ibook and imac "classic. High end needs to be high end so we need to see improvements here.
PS. The Xserver is awsome and will kick major @$$. 2002 is the year of the Apple.
PSS I also play with barbies.
PS. The Xserver is awsome and will kick major @$$. 2002 is the year of the Apple.
PSS I also play with barbies.
I`m sorry guys to ruin your hopes but maybe you will be a bit disappointed since the xserve rack will start shipping around MWNY and only has a 1 ghz G4. I think most of the changes will be on the motherboard (faster memory, bus speed, ata 133) and not with the processor.
If Apple announced a 1.4ghz server today, how do you think tower sales would do until July? Apple is simply preparing these machines for the fastest chip available. A 1.2-1.4ghz chip is not currently available.
This means nothing for what will be released at MWNY.
new case=new tower
IF Apple does actually put the next tower (G4 or G5) into a new housing, I just might have to get one. This would be ahead of schedule, but such is life. Right now, I am trying to get the money end worked out (shuffling some items around) so that I am ready come MWNY (or MWSF, worst case).
Only time and Apple will tell, and Apple ain't talkin.
IF Apple does actually put the next tower (G4 or G5) into a new housing, I just might have to get one. This would be ahead of schedule, but such is life. Right now, I am trying to get the money end worked out (shuffling some items around) so that I am ready come MWNY (or MWSF, worst case).
Only time and Apple will tell, and Apple ain't talkin.
But the real question is with the new enclosure, will we see an updated form of the tower as it is today, or a total redesign?
I'm thinking another iteration on the current design, so that they'll do the redesign with the new chip.
I'm thinking another iteration on the current design, so that they'll do the redesign with the new chip.
i agree. something similar to the qs design and the one before it... but then with the g5 a totally new case.
of course, if they have the g5 in january (big IF) and they have a new case in july... it'd be kinda weird to have 2 new cases so fast. one having only lasted one version.... so i don't know.
New case does not necessarly mean new chip.
The current case first appeared with G3 chips, in the Blue & White version, yet G3 chip had already been around for some time.
And when the G4's arrived, all that changed was the colour scheme (blue to grey, as I'm sure you know).
The current case has been around for about three and half years now, not including minor revisions, and although the current design is still leagues ahead of anything in the PC market, it is starting to show it's age next to the iMac, iBook and Ti Powerbooks.
A new case could boost tower sales (which are flagging apparently) as to most buyers a new case = new machine.
The current case first appeared with G3 chips, in the Blue & White version, yet G3 chip had already been around for some time.
And when the G4's arrived, all that changed was the colour scheme (blue to grey, as I'm sure you know).
The current case has been around for about three and half years now, not including minor revisions, and although the current design is still leagues ahead of anything in the PC market, it is starting to show it's age next to the iMac, iBook and Ti Powerbooks.
A new case could boost tower sales (which are flagging apparently) as to most buyers a new case = new machine.