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You'll most likely be able to select your carrier during checkout. Apple wouldn't make the users have to go to a Verizon store for a SIM if they chose that carrier.

Apple wouldn't but Verizon might. Apple likely wanted all carriers to be on the flex card but Verizon didn't want to play. The tech is likely there but not the card so you have to go to Verizon, because that is how they want it so they can charge you a fee for the sim. Just like they do now when sims burn after credit card service is off for more than six months or if you shut off billed service

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This is actually really cool! It would make buying an iPhone so much more simple. Just go in and pick out your color and capacity then when setting it up for the first time have the prompt to add this phone to a cellular network.

I suspect Apple is hoping to go that way and this is the first trial run of it
 
New Cellular iPads Include 'Apple SIM' in U.S. and U.K. for Multi-Carrier Com...

How did they not talk about this today?

This is big news and they talked about a lot of less important things today.



Like cameras on tablets.



I get they are useful for many instances, but surely a 30 second part about Apple SIM would seem justifiable against many minutes of iPad camera talk?



This will making roaming a lot more comfortable!



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Nobody should be taking pictures with tablets anyways.
I don't see why the iPad needed slo mo and panorama mode.
 
Nobody should be taking pictures with tablets anyways.
I don't see why the iPad needed slo mo and panorama mode.

Oh BS. I'm tired of reading this. I take pics and videos of my grandkids with my iPad all the time. A) because it's usually nearest, and B) they love to see themselves immediately on a big screen.

And I'm quite sure my granddaughter (she's 7) will love to watch a slo-mo of herself trying to stand on her head.

We have great fun with it and frankly it's one reason I buy iPads. So just because you don't use the camera doesnt mean a lot of people don't.
 
Kind of funny that cross country mobile data is easier on an iPad than on your own cell phone...I wanna see if I can find someone with one of these SIMs provisioned for AT&T and say EE in the UK and throw it in my iPhone 6......its likely more complex than that but eventually one way or another (that is, licit or illicit, official or jailbroken, hacked or no hacked) it will happen. This means that no matter which carrier you choose you still get the most global model of the iPad...unlike the iPhone 6 where North American users iPhone 6's only have 16 LTE bands (except for Sprint and affiliates) instead of the 20 of the model for the rest of the world (the 4 extra essential TD-LTE bands).

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And why is that? Some people find the large viewfinder much easier to compose a photo then the tiny one. Particularly with lighter tablets like the air.

Exactly! It reminds me of operating a large format view camera. Except without the massive "sensor" but no issues with ground glass and the whole upside down view :D and paying to get 4x5 or 8x10+ developed :D If the iPad ever gets more than 20MP's and a larger sensor I imagine the experience would be even better...still it does look funny seeing someone with an iPad take pictures :p

Oh BS. I'm tired of reading this. I take pics and videos of my grandkids with my iPad all the time. A) because it's usually nearest, and B) they love to see themselves immediately on a big screen.

And I'm quite sure my granddaughter (she's 7) will love to watch a slo-mo of herself trying to stand on her head.

We have great fun with it and frankly it's one reason I buy iPads. So just because you don't use the camera doesnt mean a lot of people don't.

See this is one of the most common uses I see the iPad for. I always see Grandparents with a tablet having all sorts of fun with their grand kids and what not...Hope I'm not making you feel old but its something I love seeing as it shows how technology transcends all cultures and all ages despite what some might think.
 
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Could this be the beginning of Apple getting in the cellular business? They'd have leverage to negotiate a good MVNO deal.
 
Kind of funny that cross country mobile data is easier on an iPad than on your own cell phone...I wanna see if I can find someone with one of these SIMs provisioned for AT&T and say EE in the UK and throw it in my iPhone 6......its likely more complex than that but eventually one way or another (that is, licit or illicit, official or jailbroken, hacked or no hacked) it will happen. This means that no matter which carrier you choose you still get the most global model of the iPad...unlike the iPhone 6 where North American users iPhone 6's only have 16 LTE bands (except for Sprint and affiliates) instead of the 20 of the model for the rest of the world (the 4 extra essential TD-LTE bands).

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Exactly! It reminds me of operating a large format view camera. Except without the massive "sensor" but no issues with ground glass and the whole upside down view :D and paying to get 4x5 or 8x10+ developed :D If the iPad ever gets more than 20MP's and a larger sensor I imagine the experience would be even better...still it does look funny seeing someone with an iPad take pictures :p



See this is one of the most common uses I see the iPad for. I always see Grandparents with a tablet having all sorts of fun with their grand kids and what not...Hope I'm not making you feel old but its something I love seeing as it shows how technology transcends all cultures and all ages despite what some might think.

Nah, I am old, at least in years. I have two beautiful grandkids. And like all kids they love to see themselves in pics and especially videos. It's all good fun!
 
"All the swaps"? You mean the single one you do when you use it for the first time?

It is also possible that most iPhone users only use one phone at a time. There are a few of us who like to swap phones a bunch during a year, so we are cautiously optimistic about Apple SIM.

Does anyone know if the Apple SIM is a card or virtual?
 
So how will this affect someone with an Ipad 2 with At&t grandfathered unlimited plan...any issues with upgrading to the Air 2?

You probably have to swap your old SIM for the Apple one.

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iPad has never been sold locked to a particular carrier.

I'm not sure the concept of an "Apple SIM" could work in a phone.

Say I'm travelling abroad. I can quickly switch to a cheap local phone number or data plan without needing to find a local SIM. I could also presumably have two or more numbers: one for family, one for work, one for friends, and switch one or more on/off automatically. If my data plan runs out or I have poor coverage somewhere, I can temporarily use a different data plan (perhaps while keeping my voice plan active). Sounds nice!
 
Say I'm travelling abroad. I can quickly switch to a cheap local phone number or data plan without needing to find a local SIM. I could also presumably have two or more numbers: one for family, one for work, one for friends, and switch one or more on/off automatically. If my data plan runs out or I have poor coverage somewhere, I can temporarily use a different data plan (perhaps while keeping my voice plan active). Sounds nice!

Indeed but has anyone actually said how it works? On the surface it just sounds like roaming which wouldn't work like that at all.
 
"Apple SIM" is definitely one of the day's more intriguing announcements.

I'm very very curious to know the following:

- How will post-paid plans work

- Whether there's any information on the Apple SIM that will benefit jailbreakers and/or iPhone unlockers

- Despite the fact that Apple states that Apple SIM is only compatible with the iPad mini 3 and the iPad Air 2, I'm wondering what would happen if you put it in an original iPad Air, a retina iPad mini (2), or a first generation iPad mini.

- What an Apple SIM would do in a non-Apple phone or Tablet (LTE Model Nexus 9 anyone?)

- How the carriers all went along with it

- Why specifically Verizon didn't

I think there's a whole lot yet to glean about this story and this only scratches the surface.
 
Now if only they sold the Apple SIM separately...

This begs another great question: Will they? And if you go to a Verizon store with your Apple SIM equipped iPad, they obviously load their SIM in and you keep the Apple SIM leaving you to be able to do...?

So is this like an 'unlocked' iPad? Like the Tmo iPhone model?

Meaning - tomorrow can I buy a cellular model iPad without signing a data contract?

All iPads are sold unlocked by default. Been that way since the first generation was released in 2010. If you were signing a data contract, it was to subsidize the cost of the iPad; though those deals with tablets are never good as they only subsidize $100-200 anyway and that's not worth being locked into a contract for.

I don't really see the point in having a mobile connected iPad - in what way is it more useful than the hotspot on your iPhone?

How about the fact that an iPad has WAY more battery life than an iPhone and can thusly provide data via hotspot for way longer without needing a charge?

In terms of Apple devices... they have since the iPhone 4S.

Traditionally CDMA didn't use SIM cards. But LTE is derived from GSM technology, and uses SIM cards. All Verizon LTE devices have them.

(That makes it sort of interesting that the Verizon 4S had a SIM card, since it didn't support LTE. CDMA/EVDO apparently can use a SIM card, but it's not required.)

The iPhone 4S on Sprint and Verizon had a SIM card slot because it was a world-phone. Prior to that, the iPhone 4 was not a world phone (by virtue of there being a CDMA version and a GSM version) and after that, the iPhone 5, 5s, and 5c was not considered a world phone (as they also had different versions for CDMA and GSM providers).

1) How will the Apple sim affect the T-Mobile free data for life ?

2) Sprint was requiring you to buy a Sprint iPad Air with LTE to use their network (AT&T, T-Mobile didn't care). Are you required to buy a Sprint iPad Air2 with LTE to use the Sprint network ? If not, does that mean any iPad Air can now use the Sprint network ?

3) To use Verizon on the Air2, do you need to get a Verizon LTE Air2 or just go to the Verizon store with any newly purchased Air2. What's to prevent you from putting the Apple sim back into your Air 2 after registering it with Verizon or switching back to the Verizon sim when you want to us Verizon ?

1. If you're talking about the 200MB plan, then it won't affect it.

2. There will be no "Sprint iPad Air 2". Sprint is participating with Apple SIM, therefore, any retail box model of cellular iPad that comes with an Apple SIM can be activated and used on Sprint's network. According to Apple, this is only applicable to the iPad Air 2 and the iPad mini 3. All older Airs/minis will still be carrier-specific.

3. It sounds like there won't be a specific Verizon version of the LTE-equipped Air 2 or mini 3. Though, I'd imagine, in order to make life easier for those of us on Big Red, they could easily sell a special SKU of LTE iPad Air 2/mini 3 that had the Verizon SIM in tow instead of the Apple SIM. Either way, to answer your question about swapping SIM cards, it appears as though there's nothing to stop you from doing exactly what you described as the iPad Air 2/mini 3 is still carrier-unlocked.

You'll most likely be able to select your carrier during checkout. Apple wouldn't make the users have to go to a Verizon store for a SIM if they chose that carrier.

ATT Sprint and T-mo selections would get the Apple SIM pre-installed, while Verizon purchases would get a Verizon SIM pre-installed.

Just my take on it. BUT: Perhaps Verizon customers can register their iPad with Verizon online or in-store, with the Apple-SIM still installed. There's a few ways Apple can go about this I presume...

Yeah, I'd be curious to see how this is handled. Apple may very well just sell Apple SIM units and let Verizon sell units that have their SIM in tow...as though they were a regional provider or something. Not sure. Am very curious to find out how this all works.
 
3) To use Verizon on the Air2, do you need to get a Verizon LTE Air2 or just go to the Verizon store with any newly purchased Air2. What's to prevent you from putting the Apple sim back into your Air 2 after registering it with Verizon or switching back to the Verizon sim when you want to us Verizon ?

Traditionally, Verizon has only allowed Verizon devices (phones, tablets) with Verizon MEIDs on their network. If the device's MEID isn't in Verizon's master MEID database, they have a policy in place where they've simply refused to do that. It goes back to their roots as a legacy CDMA carrier.

That said, I don't believe Apple is making separate cellular iPad SKUs for each wireless vendor this time around. The cellular Air 2 and mini 3 seem to all be unlocked. We'll know for sure in a few days...

My guess is that adding Verizon service to a cellular Air 2 or mini 3 will be a matter of going to a Verizon Wireless store and getting them to activate a new Verizon-specific SIM card for your tablet. But be aware that they are going to insist on adding it to an existing data plan, for an additional $10/month per tablet.
 
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Could this be the beginning of Apple getting in the cellular business? They'd have leverage to negotiate a good MVNO deal.
I doubt it. I wouldn't even be surprised if they worked with a 3rd party MVNO for the Apple SIM (e.g. a company like Tracfone, which has had similar carrier agreements for years). I guess for Apple it's primarily a cost savings measure (since it allows them to reduce the number of SKUs they need to manage). Convenience for the customer is a nice side effect. The carriers don't lose anything, since you could always switch carriers easily on the iPad by swapping out the SIM.

It would be great if they added more international partners. Hunting down suitable SIMs in foreign countries when traveling is not always easy ...
 
Traditionally, Verizon has only allowed Verizon devices (phones, tablets) with Verizon MEIDs on their network. If the device's MEID isn't in Verizon's master MEID database, they have a policy in place where they've simply refused to do that. It goes back to their roots as a legacy CDMA carrier.

That said, I don't believe Apple is making separate cellular iPad SKUs for each wireless vendor this time around. The cellular Air 2 and mini 3 seem to all be unlocked. We'll know for sure in a few days...

My guess is that adding Verizon service to a cellular Air 2 or mini 3 will be a matter of going to a Verizon Wireless store and getting them to activate a new Verizon-specific SIM card for your tablet. But be aware that they are going to insist on adding it to an existing data plan, for an additional $10/month per tablet.

What about their iPad pre-paid plan (I believe it's 2.5GB / 1 month for $30.00) ?
 
I don't understand -- why would anyone use Verizon now for cellular on the iPad? You don't need a contract right -- you do the 30 day thing like before? So I have Verizon on my iPhone, but I can sign up for short term ATT on the new iPad still right? Or not sign up at all till I need Cellular on the iPad -- right?

Seems like there will be very few Verizon iPads sold.
 
That said, I don't believe Apple is making separate cellular iPad SKUs for each wireless vendor this time around. The cellular Air 2 and mini 3 seem to all be unlocked. We'll know for sure in a few days...

Confirmed. There is no separate Verizon model.

You can either use the new Apple SIM for AT&T/T-Mobile/Sprint on a kind of PAYG basis, or you can get a carrier-specific SIM with a monthly plan from your particular carrier, whoever that might be.
 
I love how you guys/gals are discussing issues or solutions when we don't even know if the apple sim is removable or not.
 
I love how you guys/gals are discussing issues or solutions when we don't even know if the apple sim is removable or not.

The SIM card is removable.

http://store.apple.com/us/buy-ipad/ipad-air-2 (scroll down the FAQ)

Do all iPad models use the same type of SIM card?

No. iPad Air 2 with Wi-Fi + Cellular and iPad mini 3 with Wi-Fi + Cellular can use either the Apple SIM card or a carrier-supported nano-SIM card. iPad Air, iPad mini 2, and iPad mini use a nano-SIM card. All other iPad models use a micro-SIM card. Micro-SIM cards cannot be used in devices that use the Apple SIM or another nano-SIM card.
 
I don't really see the point in having a mobile connected iPad - in what way is it more useful than the hotspot on your iPhone?

It isn't. But.... If you don't have a mobile phone with you (Is that even possible ???????) the cellular iPad is very handy.
 
It not draining your phone's battery is a big benefit.

Depending on your data use across devices it can work out cheaper to buy them separately than upgrading your phone tariff with sufficient data would cost.

For my iPad I buy whatever pay-as-you-go Data SIMs are on offer,. This also has the benefit that I can pick and choose from any network and not just the one my phone contract is with.

By having my phone and tablet on different networks I find when travelling there are often times I can get a signal on one and not the other. Which with O2s Tu Go app means I have a phone connection via a rival network.

And personally, I am on a grandfathered O2 unlimited iPhone tariff but it does not allow tethering. So keeping them separate works out cheaper through data SIM deals works out far cheaper than a new phone tariff would.

I dunno, that seems like a lot to pay to have to charge your phone very slightly less often.
 
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