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Sucks to be Verizon. Glad that I moved from them over two years ago.

Actually sucks to be with anybody BUT verizon. Must suck to have data caps and or getting throttled.

Also VZW Coverage > Any other carrier.
 
Based on the description, I'd imagine you just cancel your service with one carrier, and then re-activate service with the new carrier. And it looks like it can all take place right on the device, in the Settings app.

That's what I mean. Cancelling the service isn't a good option. Presumably you will lose money - it doesn't let you swap between carriers on a regular basis.
 
This is cool, one step closer to not having a SIM at all. Actually, why do we still use physical SIMs, and not just sign in with a username and password like pretty much every other service in the world?
 
This is cool, one step closer to not having a SIM at all. Actually, why do we still use physical SIMs, and not just sign in with a username and password like pretty much every other service in the world?

Because such a service would require some central authority to decide when and how you switch between carriers.

If you want Apple to control what plans your carrier can offer you, go ahead and let them do that.

I'd prefer to do it myself with a card I can change at any time.

It's notable that this offer is effectively just pre-paid plans for a limited period. There's no option to get a monthly plan, which will undoubtedly offer better value.
 
Everything looked nice until I learned about this Apple sim... Its not like the TMO iPhone 6 I purchase and made its way here to my country. I placed my sim and VOILA!! was working..
This iPad mini 3 doesn't have an slot. So it is useless for me to buy it... and will have to wait the roll out of a version that is compatible with the carriers in my country and pay the ridiculous price they want for it.. NEGATIVE

First time in my live as an Apple user that I want certain hardware but have to skip it cause it make no sense, nor has practical use to me.

Guess will be only the iMac and will have to buy something else for my daughter.
:mad:
 
I was presuming that the carrier networks are just providing data tariffs here guys so its not like cancelling a phone contract with your own number.

I presume that the networks have agreed to accommodate apples intended way of doing it where by you choose a network and are immediately allocated a throw away number and you are automatically billed through apple pay / iTunes store credit and they will provide apple iPad specific tariffs.

So simply you just press a cellular carrier option, agree to the charge and its done instantly.

But lets see
 
So will I still be able to use my tmobile free lifetime 200mb lifetime data sim I'm using in my iPad Air?
 
I'm not a big verizon fan, butIf younwere looking for an iPad that worked everywhere w/o wireless, veriron is the provider with the best coverage. Kind of sucks that they are a hold out.
 
Because such a service would require some central authority to decide when and how you switch between carriers.

If you want Apple to control what plans your carrier can offer you, go ahead and let them do that.

I'd prefer to do it myself with a card I can change at any time.

It's notable that this offer is effectively just pre-paid plans for a limited period. There's no option to get a monthly plan, which will undoubtedly offer better value.

But your plan is not tied to your SIM. The SIM just gets you on the carrier network. Just as you can pick and choose options with your SIM, a SIM-less option should be no different. Or rather, it doesn't have to be different, though it would be Apple-like to also control what plans you can choose. But, in the end, a SIM-less option would still technically allow you to switch between plans, because it simply replacing a physical SIM with a virtual SIM.

(not defending the idea of a username/password system. That just just has too many issues).
 
But your plan is not tied to your SIM. The SIM just gets you on the carrier network. Just as you can pick and choose options with your SIM, a SIM-less option should be no different. Or rather, it doesn't have to be different, though it would be Apple-like to also control what plans you can choose. But, in the end, a SIM-less option would still technically allow you to switch between plans, because it simply replacing a physical SIM with a virtual SIM.

(not defending the idea of a username/password system. That just just has too many issues).

I have no problem with the idea of a "virtual SIM", but I just don't believe that carriers or manufacturers like Apple could make it work equally as well as a physical SIM - more importantly, I don't think they'd ever want it to work as well.
 
Everything looked nice until I learned about this Apple sim... Its not like the TMO iPhone 6 I purchase and made its way here to my country. I placed my sim and VOILA!! was working..

This iPad mini 3 doesn't have an slot. So it is useless for me to buy it... and will have to wait the roll out of a version that is compatible with the carriers in my country and pay the ridiculous price they want for it.. NEGATIVE



First time in my live as an Apple user that I want certain hardware but have to skip it cause it make no sense, nor has practical use to me.



Guess will be only the iMac and will have to buy something else for my daughter.

:mad:


The new iPads do have SIM card slots, so I'm not sure where you are getting your information from.
 
That's what I mean. Cancelling the service isn't a good option. Presumably you will lose money - it doesn't let you swap between carriers on a regular basis.

The new Apple SIM is preinstalled on iPad Air 2 with Wi-Fi + Cellular models. The Apple SIM gives you the flexibility to choose from a variety of short-term plans from select carriers in the U.S. and UK right on your iPad. So whenever you need it, you can choose the plan that works best for you — with no long-term commitments. And when you travel, you may also be able to choose a data plan from a local carrier for the duration of your trip.

Sure sounds like you can swap on a regular basis.

Consider two scenarios:
1) You're traveling, so you buy a one-week plan. It ends, you're done. Choose a different carrier next time you travel.
2) You maintain a monthly plan with auto-renew on Carrier X. Carrier Y starts offering a better price. At the end of your month with Carrier X, you cancel and switch to Carrier Y.

Under what realistic scenario would you want to switch between carriers once per week?
 
But your plan is not tied to your SIM. The SIM just gets you on the carrier network. Just as you can pick and choose options with your SIM, a SIM-less option should be no different. Or rather, it doesn't have to be different, though it would be Apple-like to also control what plans you can choose. But, in the end, a SIM-less option would still technically allow you to switch between plans, because it simply replacing a physical SIM with a virtual SIM.

(not defending the idea of a username/password system. That just just has too many issues).

How much carrier intervention is needed to swap from one device to anther using the same SIM (where your plans reside)? With this SIM less option it seems like the carrier would get to control if you are able to take a good plan like unlimited data and use it on the device of your choosing.
 
Sure sounds like you can swap on a regular basis.

Consider two scenarios:
1) You're traveling, so you buy a one-week plan. It ends, you're done. Choose a different carrier next time you travel.
2) You maintain a monthly plan with auto-renew on Carrier X. Carrier Y starts offering a better price. At the end of your month with Carrier X, you cancel and switch to Carrier Y.

Under what realistic scenario would you want to switch between carriers once per week?

It's not how often you change, it's that changing is disruptive.

If you buy 30 days of data on the 1st of each month, then have to cancel that plan on the 3rd of a particular month because you're going abroad for a trip, you've just lost 27 days of data that you pre-paid.

I very much doubt that you'd get a refund of any sort.

This wouldn't happen with the current physical SIM model.

How much carrier intervention is needed to swap from one device to anther using the same SIM (where your plans reside)? With this SIM less option it seems like the carrier would get to control if you are able to take a good plan like unlimited data and use it on the device of your choosing.

Exactly.
 
weird, in germany u just bought the "wifi + data" model and put whatever sim in
That requires you to have the SIM in your physical possession. With this, you can choose a carrier from your home or as you travel, without needing to visit a store and obtain a SIM.

I bought an AT&T iPad and the SIM came included, obviously. If I wanted to use it with T-Mobile, for example, I've found the cell phone stores generally even charge for an account-less SIM.

This is big.
 
May know more once it's released, but is there an option to use the US version of the cellular model overseas(based on the Apple SIM structure)?

I was just thinking that Verizon is making it easier and easier for me to consider leaving them.

AT&T may be more appealing for me once I graduate. Verizon is king in the New River Valley. Just can't trust T-MO unless I move to a big city. Sprint...forget about it
 
"One SIM to rule them all, one SIM to find them. One SIM to bring them all and on the network bind them." 
 
I'm not a big verizon fan, butIf younwere looking for an iPad that worked everywhere w/o wireless, veriron is the provider with the best coverage. Kind of sucks that they are a hold out.
 
That's what I mean. Cancelling the service isn't a good option. Presumably you will lose money - it doesn't let you swap between carriers on a regular basis.

you don't have to cancel. You could pay for an amount of data and switch to another carrier once you've used it up.
 
This iPad mini 3 doesn't have an slot. So it is useless for me to buy it... and will have to wait the roll out of a version that is compatible with the carriers in my country and pay the ridiculous price they want for it.. NEGATIVE

Not sure where you heard/read that the iPad Mini 3 doesn't have a SIM slot. According to the specs page, the iPad Mini 3 cellular version takes a nano-sim.
 
Pretty cool. I imagine this is a stepping stone towards virtual SIMs

I'm surprised Sprint is participating, since they usually have pretty crazy portability policies.

Virtual SIMs already exist. Check out Movirtu - a company that Blackberry recently bought. It's a big deal for security in corporate environments. Allows easy dual use of phones for corporate/personal. Enables multiple numbers on virtual SIM cards.
 
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