new cinema displays between now and december?

iSight and new screens

supercooled said:
Here's a pure hypothetical for you guys. What if they add an iSight into the new models; will this add an extra USB cable dangling along with the DVI? I'm assuming the DVI can't drive the iSight along with the digital signal, but I'm not technically inclined to know.
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Good question and I'm not technically savvy enough to know the answer. I do know that a lot of folks who have been patiently (and some not so patiently!) waiting for new displays are hoping for - and expecting - built in iSights, especially since :apple: stopped selling external iSights. Laptops and iMacs have this feature built in now, so seems like it would be logical to do the same for Mac Pro users (and others who use ACDs).

Feverish Flux said:
42-inchers coming?
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These screens look incredible. Notice, however, that they are specifically not going to be LED backlit, which would seem to keep them out of the running for ACDs since Steve has promised that :apple: will become greener over the next year by making all of its displays LED backlit. That said, there has been a lot of speculation in other threads that, when the line is finally updated, there will be a new model larger than the current 30"...
 
New Apple cinema display will come soon to compete

coldmedina said:
one of the rumor sites is reporting 5 "all new" products from mac between now and mid-december, does anyone think that one of them could be new cinema displays?

looking at the timeline of cinema display releases from 1998 until present, it seems the pattern is approx every two years for new display lines/major product upgrades. so if the 30" came out 03/06 and the 20"/23" came out in 08/06, that would potentially translate into new displays still not for another year or so.

but with all the recent price dropping on the displays, and the new product announcements, its got me wondering if maybe they might unveil new displays sooner than later...
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Hate to bring it to you but the current mac displays such totally.Let's take the "cool"(yeahh its cool but outdated and sucky) 30 inc apple cinema(14ms real time? ore grey to grey?) display compare it with -(will not mention del UltraSharp 3007 cause it sucks to:))
- Samsung SyncMaster 305T specs:6 ms.dvi.Bether colours then apple and dell.dvi -
Cons:It dont have hdmi meaning you can't play xbox360, ps3,ore other hd-dvd resourches without a expensive hdmate from gef 300$.That same problem have the dells and apple. look at - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2071695,00.asp
and
http://www.amazon.com/HD-Mate-Scale...12-2713444?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1192859309&sr=8-1

- HP LP3065 specs:6 ms 12ms typically.3xdvi.1000:1 contrast 300:1 brightness cons:dont have hdmi.bad brightness contrast compared to apple 30 inch 400:1)??if thats a problem..

- Samsung Samsung 275T(widescreen) specs:6ms dvi.hdcp for compute.s video.dvi.RGB.
Cons:dont have hdmi.+++:You can use for consols,other hd-dvd stuff via s cabel,hdcp(?),rgb.

- ViewSonic’s 28” VX2835wm specs:3 ms!!.Anti-glare.dvi.s-cabel.rgb.HDMI!! -(HDMI with HDCP input) OnView® controls for superior screen adjustability.500cd/m² brightness (typ.) and 800:1 contrast ratio.Speakers 2 x 3watt -

cons:It's not apple:).design?
++:it's the only big lcd screen for computer(not tv) i know of(27.5 not 30 inch) who supourts hdmi signals if you plan to use it besides computing.Pluss it's very cheap compare to the other's(but it's not a complete 30 inch)


The apple cinma display it's like a old dinosaur it's just "need to die" so the next lineup of cinemadisplays can breath
(led?=unlikely think of the price of 30 inc led and the response time in led is not good on big screens on what i have heard )
Maybe they are smart and include 2 hdmi.
And isight and good speakers.

I think they do have the tecnology and the money to put it out now in nowember but with Apple it allways have to be spectacular.Remember they had the first 30 inch.So maybe steve jobs it's up to something flashy before chritmas to reveal - something for the next level..
I'm currently waiting for a new mackbookpro to arrive and a new apple cinema display would be nice!with leds....(lol that will cost 20000$$(??) look just at the sony leds tv's 70 inch to 30000$ dollars ore somethin...

Note:all specs in lcd screen are note mentioned just the important ones to compare..
 
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New Apple cinema display will come soon to compete

coldmedina said:
one of the rumor sites is reporting 5 "all new" products from mac between now and mid-december, does anyone think that one of them could be new cinema displays?

looking at the timeline of cinema display releases from 1998 until present, it seems the pattern is approx every two years for new display lines/major product upgrades. so if the 30" came out 03/06 and the 20"/23" came out in 08/06, that would potentially translate into new displays still not for another year or so.

but with all the recent price dropping on the displays, and the new product announcements, its got me wondering if maybe they might unveil new displays sooner than later...
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Hate to bring it to you but the current mac displays such totally.Let's take the "cool"(yeahh its cool but outdated and sucky) 30 inc apple cinema(14ms real time? ore grey to grey?) display compare it with -(will not mention del UltraSharp 3007 cause it sucks to:))
- Samsung SyncMaster 305T specs:6 ms.dvi.Bether colours then apple and dell.dvi -
Cons:It dont have hdmi meaning you can't play xbox360, ps3,ore other hd-dvd resourches without a expensive hdmate from gef 300$.That same problem have the dells and apple. look at - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2071695,00.asp
and
http://www.amazon.com/HD-Mate-Scale...12-2713444?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1192859309&sr=8-1

- HP LP3065 specs:6 ms 12ms typically.3xdvi.1000:1 contrast 300:1 brightness cons:dont have hdmi.bad brightness contrast compared to apple 30 inch 400:1)??if thats a problem..

- Samsung Samsung 275T(widescreen) specs:6ms dvi.hdcp for compute.s video.dvi.RGB.
Cons:dont have hdmi.+++:You can use for consols,other hd-dvd stuff via s cabel,hdcp(?),rgb.

- ViewSonic’s 28” VX2835wm specs:3 ms!!.Anti-glare.dvi.s-cabel.rgb.HDMI!! -(HDMI with HDCP input) OnView® controls for superior screen adjustability.500cd/m² brightness (typ.) and 800:1 contrast ratio.Speakers 2 x 3watt -

cons:It's not apple:).design?
++:it's the only big lcd screen for computer(not tv) i know of(27.5 not 30 inch) who supourts hdmi signals if you plan to use it besides computing.Pluss it's very cheap compare to the other's(but it's not a complete 30 inch)


The apple cinma display it's like a old dinosaur it's just "need to die" so the next lineup of cinemadisplays can breath
(led?=unlikely think of the price of 30 inc led and the response time in led is not good on big screens on what i have heard )
Maybe they are smart and include 2 hdmi.
And isight and good speakers.

I think they do have the tecnology and the money to put it out now in nowember but with Apple it allways have to be spectacular.Remember they had the first 30 inch.So maybe steve jobs it's up to something flashy before christmas to reveal - something for the next level..
I'm currently waiting for a new mackbookpro to arrive and a new apple cinema display would be nice!with leds....(lol that will cost 20000$$(??) look just at the sony leds tv's 70 inch to 30000$ dollars ore somethin...

Note:all specs in lcd screen are note mentioned just the important ones to compare..
 
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42" screens?

Yikes.


Though I did think the 30" was ridiculous and now find it 'just right'. But, how long until a 60"?? An 80"? How big is enough??

I think an option of iSight built in or not would be an excellent choice if Apple will not be making external iSights anymore. I love my old iSight, but it hangs upside down, and I would like Apple to include software to flip the image, OR provide them built into monitors. Why should we need to buy an iMac to use video chat?
 
You're just judging these from a single criteria of repsonse time. That's fine for gaming maybe, but that's not the only criteria. Indeed you could get a fast panel, and it might be crap on many other levels.

For example, I could care less about gaming on my monitor, but I want something that can be color calibrated accurately, have color consistency edge to edge, and have a good wide viewing angle. Different LCDs have different types of panels, and some (like Dell) play roulette with the panel type you get.

In addition to work, I want to use mine for my hobby of motorsports photography. I also don't care about a ton of inputs and outputs. The choice of color media pros is an S-IPS panel. That's what the ACDs have. Most other LCDs that have S-IPS panels are even more expensive than the ACDs.

Response time is just one criteria and isn't even important for some applications. It's not a spec high in importance to me.

After some research I'm back to considering the ACD, and I will probably get the 23" this week if Apple doesn't announce something else.

So I think to judge the Apple displays the way you do is misguided and misinformed. They aren't the best, but if you want to work with color, they are still a very good choice. I frequent a photographer forum, and many of the members (even PC users) who don't want to spring for a fully professional display (double the cost or so of a ACD) go with the ACD.
 
Lesser Evets said:
Though I did think the 30" was ridiculous and now find it 'just right'. But, how long until a 60"?? An 80"? How big is enough??

I think an option of iSight built in or not would be an excellent choice if Apple will not be making external iSights anymore. I love my old iSight, but it hangs upside down, and I would like Apple to include software to flip the image, OR provide them built into monitors. Why should we need to buy an iMac to use video chat?
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Many people use dual-30"ers...unfortunately the thickness of the edges makes it a bit annoying...Apple need to make bigger displays, or greatly reduce the border thickness :)
 
:)
RaceTripper said:
You're just judging these from a single criteria of repsonse time. That's fine for gaming maybe, but that's not the only criteria. Indeed you could get a fast panel, and it might be crap on many other levels.


Hi!i wrote mainly for the 30 inches..(even though the specs,colour for the 20-23 inches can be beat by other producers up to date).
No i wrote not just response time. look here as stated in what i wrote.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2071695,00.asp

And compare here:http://www.pcmag.com/compare_products/0,1943,,00.asp?a=196193,140686,168242&pt=0&sid=26265

That explains alot:)

And by the way apple is a future looking company so relax new Apple cinema will come soon:)

Remember that the apple display is near 3 years old.So it's not strange it's outdated.But yes the design in apple screen are cool.Great colours. But lcd's screens evolve alot in 3 years dont you think?And panels evolve too.
And i'm not just think about gaming.
:cool:

And by the way response time is important for moviewatching and video-editing to..:)
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coldmedina said:
figures, seeing how i was getting my heart totally set on one. well, its a good thing i suppose, because i'm really hoping they do something about this:

(images deleted)

;)
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totally agree. That brick and the short DVI cord for it is a poor design when connecting a laptop.

psychofreak said:
Many people use dual-30"ers...unfortunately the thickness of the edges makes it a bit annoying...Apple need to make bigger displays, or greatly reduce the border thickness :)
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I love my ACDs and I totally agree with this too.
 
machatch said:
:)
RaceTripper said:
You're just judging these from a single criteria of repsonse time. That's fine for gaming maybe, but that's not the only criteria. Indeed you could get a fast panel, and it might be crap on many other levels.


Hi!i wrote mainly for the 30 inches..(even though the specs,colour for the 20-23 inches can be beat by other producers up to date).
No i wrote not just response time. look here as stated in what i wrote.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2071695,00.asp

And compare here:http://www.pcmag.com/compare_products/0,1943,,00.asp?a=196193,140686,168242&pt=0&sid=26265

That explains alot:)

And by the way apple is a future looking company so relax new Apple cinema will come soon:)

Remember that the apple display is near 3 years old.So it's not strange it's outdated.But yes the design in apple screen are cool.Great colours. But lcd's screens evolve alot in 3 years dont you think?And panels evolve too.
And i'm not just think about gaming.
:cool:

And by the way response time is important for moviewatching and video-editing to..:)
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I agree the ACDs are due for a refresh, but the current ones aren't using panels from years ago. They use modern (and expensive) S-IPS panels. You don't really believe Apple is using panels from 3 years ago do you? ACDs aren't the best, but you can do a lot worse.

My point about response time is that there are uses of LCDs where it just isn't as important. 16 ms is good enough for many applications that aren't gaming/video.

If the ACD refresh is going to happen in the next month or so, I may wait. Otherwise I will just get a current 23" model soon. It's possible we won't see any before next year if Apple is sticking to it's green policy. They may not be ready with LED backlit screens for a while, so the current line could continue for some months more.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222
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Peace said:
Your right but personally I don't consider HDCP content DRM to your TV or monitor something I would be looking forward to.
:)
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In general, that a monitor supports DHCP *is* something to look forward to. You're protecting yourself from fascist tecnologies like Blu-ray, HD DVD, and Vista.

Now, if an Apple monitor had this, it would be bad, because it would mean they would also bend over and turn the Mac into a fascist platform, too (which it actually already is, as per region-locked DVD drives).

There's no point waiting for new expensive and closed monitors from Apple. There's better and cheaper stuff out there.
 
Racetripper wrote:

My point about response time is that there are uses of LCDs where it just isn't as important. 16 ms is good enough for many applications that aren't gaming/video.

If the ACD refresh is going to happen in the next month or so, I may wait. Otherwise I will just get a current 23" model soon. It's possible we won't see any before next year if Apple is sticking to it's green policy. They may not be ready with LED backlit screens for a while, so the current line could continue for some months more.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222[/QUOTE]

Yeah they have tweaked the apple cinema displays.So it's not "old".Old is relative it's just that apple cinema display - even if it is a good quality panel it's still outdated.And the 30 inch is a little thick like someone mentioned.
And it's bout time for them to upgrade the display after allmost 3 years.But like allways when you produce a new product the technology is costly, specially when you're pointing out at good quality panel with the standards changing - if thats what apple doe.
..But i feel like nows the perfect time to get a shocking good news with new apple cinemas:)With the new macs rumord to come
And it would be strange if they don't include it with hdmi - compare to the standars today vs 2004 standards in lcd screens.
And if i was to chose today between the apple 30 inch vs the others i will rather choose the samsung 30ft ore the vievsonic - http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/no/Products/LCDX/VX2835wm.htm
simple because it's bether..If you think otherwise in my opinion you would be naiv ore a die hard apple fan:p;)
And i think it's bether solutions today regarding the other display (not in design):rolleyes:.
Each taste and needs to each his one thats all i say..But i am waiting for new apple display until desember - januar..
peace:)
 
cube said:
In general, that a monitor supports DHCP *is* something to look forward to. You're protecting yourself from fascist tecnologies like Blu-ray, HD DVD, and Vista.

Now, if an Apple monitor had this, it would be bad, because it would mean they would also bend over and turn the Mac into a fascist platform, too (which it actually already is, as per region-locked DVD drives).

There's no point waiting for new expensive and closed monitors from Apple. There's better and cheaper stuff out there.
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Yeahh.I see you're point..But who knows they could turn up with something soon:)..
 
30" LED backlit displays?

since :apple: has publicly stated that it's going greener with all new displays and already has with the smaller MBPs, am wondering whether there are any manufacturers who are currently making 30" LED backlit displays? given how infrequently :apple: updates/refreshes/redesigns the ACD line, seems like they won't put out new displays til the appropriate size displays are available. can't see them just refreshing other specs without redoing the displays because of the new green policy. feels like there will be one big change/redesign...

anyone know about this? or know where you can go for more info?
 
hollywoodmacguy said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/15/samsungs-xl-30-led-backlit-30-inch-monitor/

Thanks, cube. Just looked it up and notice that a lot of folks don't like its 4:3 orientation, but it is def LED backlit so they do exist. And doesn't :apple: get some displays from Samsung?
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Here's some other info on the Samsung 30" LED lit display. It paints a different picture with a 2560 x 1600 (16:10) resolution.

Note that it is a S-PVA – not a S-IPS – panel.

Edit: Oops, forgot the link.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news.htm#samsung_xl30
 
I decided to quit obsessing about the whole thing and bought a 23" ACD.

Worse case scenario, they introduce something really better at a similar price in the next two weeks, then I return my 23" ACD for a $80 hit. Otherwise, they introduce something later, and if I like it enough, I sell my 23" and get it, or not. But at least I have something now that I can be happy with, and I can stop worrying about it. :)

When I went to buy it, I saw the Dell 2407 in a kiosk in the mall. It looked OK, but not as nice as the ACD. The Dell salesperson tried to tell me all the Apple store employees come down and buy the Dell. Yeah right!
 
hollywoodmacguy said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/15/samsungs-xl-30-led-backlit-30-inch-monitor/

Thanks, cube. Just looked it up and notice that a lot of folks don't like its 4:3 orientation, but it is def LED backlit so they do exist. And doesn't :apple: get some displays from Samsung?
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By the way that screen is coming in june..Maybe the same time as apple cinema led?hmm..
the specs where revealed CeBIT - the biggest trade show for the ICT in Hannover,Germany.
The specs where 2560 x 1600 (WQXGA),respons time 6ms
i also read hat the samsung xl20 has bin in japan for a long time.
The priceinfo is not yet to come..it says the screen is pointed at the proffesonial markey who knows..
 
led screens

hollywoodmacguy said:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/15/samsungs-xl-30-led-backlit-30-inch-monitor/

Thanks, cube. Just looked it up and notice that a lot of folks don't like its 4:3 orientation, but it is def LED backlit so they do exist. And doesn't :apple: get some displays from Samsung?
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By the way that screen is coming in june..Maybe the same time as apple cinema led?hmm..
the specs where revealed CeBIT - the biggest trade show for the ICT in Hannover,Germany.
The specs where 2560 x 1600 (WQXGA),respons time 6ms
i also read hat the samsung xl20 has bin in japan for a long time.
The priceinfo is not yet to come..it says the screen is pointed at the proffesonial marked who knows..
 
RaceTripper said:
I decided to quit obsessing about the whole thing and bought a 23" ACD.


When I went to buy it, I saw the Dell 2407 in a kiosk in the mall. It looked OK, but not as nice as the ACD. The Dell salesperson tried to tell me all the Apple store employees come down and buy the Dell. Yeah right!
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Good choice!;)lafter reading about this led thing coming in june(samsungxl30)..it' was a smart move..if only i could tell the future for acd:eek:
Yeah the dell person tried to lure you..:)
 
Tripe, Tripe, Tripe.

So much rubbish in this thread!

People love to beat on Apple's monitors as being outdated. They site lack of contrast, response time, use of older LCD technology, lack of inputs, price, etc.

What they fail to realize is this: the 23" and 30" LCD's are aimed at graphics, print, multimedia and video professionals. For these markets, these monitor excel in a few key areas: 1) Stable, predictable Delta (change) between pixels of related or difference colors, 2) Factory Built SWOP certified profiles work WITH OS X to translate colors from OS to Video Card to Monitor and back to output device (ie Printer, Video, etc) with reliable SWOP or broadcast results.

ACD's may not have the Sizzle, but they have the key features real pros want: Predictability, and, Controlled Color Gamut between corresponding pixels for superior color editing and retouching.

Personally, I do not see an ACD refresh until Summer 2008.

Why?

I do not believe CCFL or LED technology is stable enough for professional graphics, print, multimedia and video professionals. The gamuts are wild, like the wild west, the contrast and brightness, while great are not suited towards these professional markets without third party calibration -- and when this calibration is done, these new fangled monitors wind up displaying more like the current ACD's.

I could see apple releasing a "consumer" monitor for the first time, real soon, based on LED technology and more resembling a dell, samsung or HP. But make no mistake, real pros will stay away from this one until the technology is dialed in for pro work in graphics, print, multimedia and video.

Dante

PS-- I do color management every day for a living.
 
Fanboy

dante@sisna.com said:
So much rubbish in this thread!

People love to beat on Apple's monitors as being outdated. They site lack of contrast, response time, use of older LCD technology, lack of inputs, price, etc.

What they fail to realize is this: the 23" and 30" LCD's are aimed at graphics, print, multimedia and video professionals. For these markets, these monitor excel in a few key areas: 1) Stable, predictable Delta (change) between pixels of related or difference colors, 2) Factory Built SWOP certified profiles work WITH OS X to translate colors from OS to Video Card to Monitor and back to output device (ie Printer, Video, etc) with reliable SWOP or broadcast results.

ACD's may not have the Sizzle, but they have the key features real pros want: Predictability, and, Controlled Color Gamut between corresponding pixels for superior color editing and retouching.

Personally, I do not see an ACD refresh until Summer 2008.

Why?

I do not believe CCFL or LED technology is stable enough for professional graphics, print, multimedia and video professionals. The gamuts are wild, like the wild west, the contrast and brightness, while great are not suited towards these professional markets without third party calibration -- and when this calibration is done, these new fangled monitors wind up displaying more like the current ACD's.

I could see apple releasing a "consumer" monitor for the first time, real soon, based on LED technology and more resembling a dell, samsung or HP. But make no mistake, real pros will stay away from this one until the technology is dialed in for pro work in graphics, print, multimedia and video.

Dante

PS-- I do color management every day for a living.
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If "pro" is a excuse for the screen is outdated and it's -technically impossible to be bether then up to date screens - no they want release any of that stuff.sorry..haha..:)..fanboy...
Then i rather chose "consumer"..-lol...who knows when the new screens arrive a good tip is before christhmas matching the new mac pros..The summer is to late..I just hope they speed up/cange the macbook pro too:cool:
 
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