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New Displays Tomorrow?
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mxpiazza
macrumors 6502a
dude, take it easy, i'm basing this on fact, not some conspiracy theory. right when 15" LCD monitors started falling into the price range where they were affordable for ALL computer buyers, they were dropped from the lineup. If and when the current line is updated, the 17 will most likely be dropped as the 15 was last time, right when 17" LCD monitors are starting to become more affordable.
as i said in my above post (although you evidently just read and hear what you want), i buy what they release, regardless, because i feel their superior product is worth the price, but not so for EVERYONE. but i guess EVERYONE dosen't apply, because all consumer-level apple desktops come with a built in monitor. anyways, long story short, go rock some st. john's wort or something, don't bite my head off for no reason. thanks.
as i said in my above post (although you evidently just read and hear what you want), i buy what they release, regardless, because i feel their superior product is worth the price, but not so for EVERYONE. but i guess EVERYONE dosen't apply, because all consumer-level apple desktops come with a built in monitor. anyways, long story short, go rock some st. john's wort or something, don't bite my head off for no reason. thanks.
I think there are two important updates to be made at this point -- more important (heresy, i know) than a 30" display.
First, a smaller widescreen display, the size of the 17" PB display (same one as the 17" iMac, right?
Second, thinner borders. That inch around the screen really makes it look a lot smaller and more klunky than a similar Sony or NEC. Unimportant? Maybe, but it's keeping me from buying an Apple-branded display.
Just my 2 cents.
First, a smaller widescreen display, the size of the 17" PB display (same one as the 17" iMac, right?
Second, thinner borders. That inch around the screen really makes it look a lot smaller and more klunky than a similar Sony or NEC. Unimportant? Maybe, but it's keeping me from buying an Apple-branded display.
Just my 2 cents.
Apple's always been competitive on the high end of LCD prices.
When the 22" models were released they cost a bundle, but they were the biggest LCDs you could get...
Apple lowered prices, other vendors came out with big big LCD (including a couple 24" models that were like $1000 more).
Apple was always competitive on the high end (shocked the heck out of me).
Then, last January, Apple shocked the crap out of everyone by dropping the 22" for the 23" and selling the 23" for more than $500 less than the 22".
Apple won't release a 30" LCD if it's priced so high that no one buys it. If they do ship a 30" tomorrow (or soon), I think the 23" will come down and they'll break new ground with the 30". Too bad the 17" LCDs will still be too expensive. :-(
I'm not saying I think there is a 30" lcd around the corner though... Unless SJ changes his mind about converging TV and computers, I think that's way too big for anything but a very few, very small niche markets. You have to pick the mouse up already just to get across a 23".
but what the hell do I know.
When the 22" models were released they cost a bundle, but they were the biggest LCDs you could get...
Apple lowered prices, other vendors came out with big big LCD (including a couple 24" models that were like $1000 more).
Apple was always competitive on the high end (shocked the heck out of me).
Then, last January, Apple shocked the crap out of everyone by dropping the 22" for the 23" and selling the 23" for more than $500 less than the 22".
Apple won't release a 30" LCD if it's priced so high that no one buys it. If they do ship a 30" tomorrow (or soon), I think the 23" will come down and they'll break new ground with the 30". Too bad the 17" LCDs will still be too expensive. :-(
I'm not saying I think there is a 30" lcd around the corner though... Unless SJ changes his mind about converging TV and computers, I think that's way too big for anything but a very few, very small niche markets. You have to pick the mouse up already just to get across a 23".
but what the hell do I know.
swissmann
macrumors 6502a
Some people will buy it because it is the biggest, best, most expensive and it comes from Apple. I have an uncle that just bought a Dual G5 and maxed it out in every way and bought the 23 inch Apple display. If the top of the line had been a single 700 MHz G4 and a 15 inch display he would have bought that. Nevermind being in the middle and buying a Dual 1.8 G5 and 20 inch display with not all the upgrades. Why? His answer. If I'm going to do it I'm going all out. He will do about an hour Final Cut Pro project on it every 3 weeks. He isn't rich either. Just so you know some people will buy the best even if it doesn't make sense. If I were rich or insensible I'd buy a couple of 30 inchers on day one. I'm neither rich nor that insensible.
I hope the 20" gets a dramatic price cut. That is something that I will be able to afford.
I hope the 20" gets a dramatic price cut. That is something that I will be able to afford.
~Shard~
macrumors P6
Perhaps not rich, but I would say VERY well-off then! Either that or not very good with his money, no offence. I just priced out a maxed Dual 2.0 GHz G5 and the total came to the following:
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
AirPort Extreme Card
Bluetooth Module
56k V.92 internal modem
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
Mac OS X - U.S. English
Subtotal $10,922.00
Oh, and even though you said he maxed it out in every way, I left off the $500 Fibre Channel card, assuming he didn't get that. 😉
So, add on speakers, etc., along with Final Cut Pro (another few thousand $$$), then add on the taxes, and well, I could buy a nice used car for that amount!
What exactly does your uncle do, how does he honestly justify such a purchase, and what's your definition of rich? 😉
aswitcher
macrumors 603
Well I think there is a market for the 30" but I agree for the time being its very small and I think there are going to be significant issues regarding graphics cards that can properly support them. But mouse problems are likely to be the least of the deterents to Apple putting it out. ;0
I can't see them dropping the 17, except lets hope the price, unless they put out the 20 at a price close to the 17 currently. That would definetely cause many to take note and would be in the vein of Apple's original Mac, which was a computer for the masses. 😀
As for form factor change, that is long overdue.
Jason
Heck, for that price you can buy a nice NEW car!
I hope they update the form factor; aluminum would be great, and using the iMac arm/hinge thing would be brilliant.
Even if they don't changee the form factor, though, adding a 30" and dropping the other prices would be very sweet!😀
a built in isight or mic would be cool
however unlikely that may be
too bad my cube can barely handle 1024 X 768
its a great machine anyway
however unlikely that may be
too bad my cube can barely handle 1024 X 768
its a great machine anyway
Sharp 30" display
I went to Best Buy today and saw a 30" Sharp TV for $2699. I think the LCD resolution is 1200 X 900, but don't quote me.
It wouldn't surprise me, if Apple includes TV functionality in this "rumor" 30" display.
Saw the 20" iMac for the first time today. I really think this is the ideal screen size for computer work. I know our secretary would like to have this instead of her 18" dell display! An awesome computer!
-Chomo
I went to Best Buy today and saw a 30" Sharp TV for $2699. I think the LCD resolution is 1200 X 900, but don't quote me.
It wouldn't surprise me, if Apple includes TV functionality in this "rumor" 30" display.
Saw the 20" iMac for the first time today. I really think this is the ideal screen size for computer work. I know our secretary would like to have this instead of her 18" dell display! An awesome computer!
-Chomo
reyesmac
macrumors 65816
I have been waiting for new displays to finally come out for a while now. The ones currently sold are just too old to justify paying the same price as they did when they came out (except the 23, that did get a major price cut, but I have seen it in action and I will pass).
30" will be around $4k and I would not be surprised if it was more expensive than that. If Apple is the only one selling them, it will be.
What I have been waiting for is a new design and a price cut. Hope they don't pull any "works only on the G5" kind of requirement, I wouldn't put it past them.
Maybe they will do a 20th anniversary monitor with surround sound center and L/R channels built in with two satellite rear speakers...and only works on the G5.
30" will be around $4k and I would not be surprised if it was more expensive than that. If Apple is the only one selling them, it will be.
What I have been waiting for is a new design and a price cut. Hope they don't pull any "works only on the G5" kind of requirement, I wouldn't put it past them.
Maybe they will do a 20th anniversary monitor with surround sound center and L/R channels built in with two satellite rear speakers...and only works on the G5.
mxpiazza
macrumors 6502a
i believe that it was very recent that SJ said that 'when you're at your computer, you're a foot from it, and when you're at the tv, you're 20 feet away from it, that's why TVs and computers shouldn't mix' or something to that effect, so i highly doubt he'd contradict himself and just do something else to drive up the price point of an already pricey LCD. if the width of the bezel around the screen wasn't so darn much, then placing two next to eachother would be much more practical... say 1.5" on each, that's 3 inches on a 'continuous' screen... i know a 3 inch bar in the middle of my workspace, especially if i was working on a movie/photoshop, would drive me nuts. maybe that's who these new 30's are being produced for, people who need expansive screen space w/o any interruption.
i'd love to see the new LCD's with a new form factor and more attractive price point, but unless it's like a miss february-like attractive price point, one won't be gracing my desk for a while.
i'd love to see the new LCD's with a new form factor and more attractive price point, but unless it's like a miss february-like attractive price point, one won't be gracing my desk for a while.
Re: Sharp 30" display
Well, I quoted you. But, the size is more likely something along the likes of 1240 (ish) by 720 ... In line with HDTV's 720P resolution. Sony sells some rear-projection LCD sets with a slightly higher resolution (which is odd ... it still gets interpolated down for HDTV, but standard resolution TV looks a bit sharper I suppose), but most everyone else is sticking with 1240x720 (it's 12-something ... "1240" sounds right but I'm too lazy to look up the exact number 🙂 ).
On a 30" screen, this is an awesome TV display, but incredibly poor resolution for a computer display. Granted, ten years ago people were using 640x480 on a 30" CRT at my office, but still ... you'll really see the pixels at that resolution on a 30" screen, unless you're using it from across the room.
But then, what do I know? I stick with 1600 horizontal on all my monitors (19"-21" CRTs) and still jones for a few more pixels on my desktop ...
Well, I quoted you. But, the size is more likely something along the likes of 1240 (ish) by 720 ... In line with HDTV's 720P resolution. Sony sells some rear-projection LCD sets with a slightly higher resolution (which is odd ... it still gets interpolated down for HDTV, but standard resolution TV looks a bit sharper I suppose), but most everyone else is sticking with 1240x720 (it's 12-something ... "1240" sounds right but I'm too lazy to look up the exact number 🙂 ).
On a 30" screen, this is an awesome TV display, but incredibly poor resolution for a computer display. Granted, ten years ago people were using 640x480 on a 30" CRT at my office, but still ... you'll really see the pixels at that resolution on a 30" screen, unless you're using it from across the room.
But then, what do I know? I stick with 1600 horizontal on all my monitors (19"-21" CRTs) and still jones for a few more pixels on my desktop ...
30 inch at 100dpi
If a 30 inch display was to appear, I would argue that it would stick with the 100 dpi resolution that it standard with the other Cinema displays. 2560 x 1600 would be my guess.
As to who will buy these?
Anybody that does video, audio, photoediting, science, engineering, architecture, finance, print, etc, has a dual monitor setup, and can scrape up the cash.
I would also argue that the sweet spot for this would be $3499.
If a 30 inch display was to appear, I would argue that it would stick with the 100 dpi resolution that it standard with the other Cinema displays. 2560 x 1600 would be my guess.
As to who will buy these?
Anybody that does video, audio, photoediting, science, engineering, architecture, finance, print, etc, has a dual monitor setup, and can scrape up the cash.
I would also argue that the sweet spot for this would be $3499.
Ge4-ce
macrumors regular
I'm on the evening of buying a high end Powermac G5.. With a 23" display! The reason I was waiting was:
1) I want the new PowerMac G5 (dual 2.6 I hope)
2) If there are new displays, the 23" will probably drop in price and I then can afford it and spend the extra amount of cash I save here, to extra Ram...(or soundsystem..)
1) I want the new PowerMac G5 (dual 2.6 I hope)
2) If there are new displays, the 23" will probably drop in price and I then can afford it and spend the extra amount of cash I save here, to extra Ram...(or soundsystem..)
When the new displays do come out (whenever that may be), there will be no 4:3 aspect screens. The 17" will be like the 17" panel from the iMac and PB, though probably a new generation with a higher max resolution. Same for the 20". The 23" may give way to a 30", but remember that OS X only supports a 4000 pixel wide desktop, so there would have to be an asterix on any display with a width greater than 2000 pixels.
hope u are right...
In that case I'll buy a 23inch if it will be under the 2000 spot or maybe more realistically a 20 inch...
Ambrose Chapel
macrumors 65816
well the apple store hasn't gone down yet...isn't this around the time when that typically happens?
