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New eMacs Arrive

I hope no one is wondering why apple is losing educational market share to Dell...

Dell Dimension 4550 Series
2.53ghz Pentium 4
533mhz
256MB DDR SDRAM 333mhz
17"
64mb GeForce 4 MX w/TV out
30gb Ultra ATA 100 7200rpm
WinXP
Intel 10/100 Integrated
56K Integrated
16x DVD-ROM
Integrated Sound
Harmon Kardon HK-206 Speakers
1 year at-home service
$798

eMac (M9150LL/A)
800mhz G4
133mhz
128mb SDRAM 133mhz
17"
32mb Integrated ATI Radeon 7500
40GB Ultra ATA (doesn't spec speed)
OS X (Jag)
10/100 Integrated
56K Integrated
32x CD-ROM
Integrated Sound
Integrated Speakers
1 year limited warranty
$799

I didn't take the time to check educational discounts, but i think this speaks for itself. If apple really cared about the education market, they would show it for a change. Going with a windows solution gives educatators the ability to teach kids on a platform that the majority of the business world uses.

Im pro mac, im not an educator, but it is clear from these specs, apple is completely apathetic to their lost marktet share in education...what does the e stand for?
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing

Im pro mac, im not an educator, but it is clear from these specs, apple is completely apathetic to their lost marktet share in education...what does the e stand for?
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The "e" stands for everyone.
Those price <> performance issues are accross the board... especially the "Pro" market.
Want cheap speed, but without OS X? Or want something nice. :)
 
Originally posted by MacsRgr8
The "e" stands for everyone.
Those price <> performance issues are accross the board... especially the "Pro" market.
Want cheap speed, but without OS X? Or want something nice. :)
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I want something nice and hey it'd also be good if it just worked. How about that, I got an eMac. Didn't Ellen Feiss teach you anything about the educational market? :D
 
I've noticed something odd at the eMac page in the Apple Store. At the bottom, there's a datasheet available, but the name of the file is eMac_2003.pdf. Now, all the other datasheets I've seen indicate the month that the product was released. Could this mean that we won't see any more eMac revisions this year?
 
did anyone notice that in the section below the prices.. it says builtin bluetooth is optional... but you don't have that option when you select it
 
Originally posted by Moe
My comments and price comparisons here.

A really usable machine should have 512MB preferably in a single dimm for later upgrade.
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Well, that is really only good if you have regular SDRAM or DDR RAM that is not duel channel (which is a heck of a lot better than single channel DDR RAM). I don't think Apple has duel channel DDR RAM support (hopefully will soon), but it gives you almost an effective double memory bandwidth.
 
I thought we were talkin' about current generation Macs here. I understand the two dimm thing on dual-channel... buying 30 of the 3.0HT/800 this summer. Except for running memory benchmarks, the dual-channel isn't that big of a gain over the 3.06HT/533, but every little bit helps on simulations that can run hours or days.
 
Originally posted by holy MAC!
did anyone notice that in the section below the prices.. it says builtin bluetooth is optional... but you don't have that option when you select it
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I see, I see. Rather odd.
 
new in applestore - ppc970 hint?

Yesterday I was having a look in the Apple Australia store and I noticed that every product except the emac had the 'new' logo next to it (apple australia store still has the old design unlike US store). And I thought to myself, 'wow, if they do update the emac as some rumours had predicted i wonder if all the products will have new next to them.'
So when I saw that the emacs had been updated today, I, of course, went and had a look at the store and I saw straight-away that the imac, powermac and xserve had all had their 'new' logos removed. It is also interesting to note that the pbooks, although updated less recently than the imacs, still maintain their 'new' logo (though this could be more due to the fact that the 17'' took so long to actually ship).

speculation: i think it is entirely possible that these three products will all be upgraded to the ppc970 simultaneously. I see no reason why the top-end imac can't move from a 1ghz G4 to a 1Ghz ppc970 (i believe it is rumoured that one exists right?) and that the low-end pmac could start at a single 1.2ghz ppc970 (or even a 1ghz actually). for those who might say that there is not enough difference between these suggested products it is quite similar to how it is now. both the top-end imac and the low-end pmac are at 1ghz G4's and the imac sells for $3800 AUD whilst the pmac sells for $3100 AUD. Actually, perhaps it is more likely, and more in bearing with past Apple movements, that the low end pmac would go to being a 1.25ghz G4?

furthermore, perhaps it is just wishful thinking on my part, but i think the release of fcp4 in june also points to the possibility of a ppc970 announcement at least.

thank you for taking the time to read my, most likely, wishful thinking post (i would love my next mac to be a ppc970 imac).
 
Re: new in applestore - ppc970 hint?

Originally posted by murderofcrows
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speculation: i think it is entirely possible that these three products will all be upgraded to the ppc970 simultaneously. I see no reason why the top-end imac can't move from a 1ghz G4 to a 1Ghz ppc970 (i believe it is rumoured that one exists right?) and that the low-end pmac could start at a single 1.2ghz ppc970 (or even a 1ghz actually). for those who might say that there is not enough difference between these suggested products it is quite similar to how it is now. both the top-end imac and the low-end pmac are at 1ghz G4's and the imac sells for $3800 AUD whilst the pmac sells for $3100 AUD. Actually, perhaps it is more likely, and more in bearing with past Apple movements, that the low end pmac would go to being a 1.25ghz G4?
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I think that it's unlikely that the iMac will be updated immediately. Maybe it will within a couple of months, maybe even a couple of weeks, but I think that Apple is more likely to want the focus to be on the Power line. Further, I simply cannot imagine that there would be any sense at all in leaving part of the Power line on the G4, not if they can update the entire line at once. My guess is that the spread will be something like Fast: 1.4SP970, Faster: 1.6DP970, Fastest: 1.8DP970. Probably when the iMac gets updated it will go to a 1.2SP970.

Of course, all of this is purely blind guessing, so take it as such. In any event, here's to new 970s sooner than later! :D
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing
I hope no one is wondering why apple is losing educational market share to Dell...

Dell Dimension 4550 Series
...
$798

eMac (M9150LL/A)
...
$799

I didn't take the time to check educational discounts, but i think this speaks for itself. If apple really cared about the education market, they would show it for a change. Going with a windows solution gives educatators the ability to teach kids on a platform that the majority of the business world uses.

Im pro mac, im not an educator, but it is clear from these specs, apple is completely apathetic to their lost marktet share in education...what does the e stand for?
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I'd say that you're reading way too much into this. Macs have always been more expensive, even with Edu discounts. But, they are also much easier for schools to maintain (or at least traditionally have been - not that Macs are getting that much harder, just that I will grant that Windows is getting a little better).

As for the choice of OS having to do with 'teach[ing] kids on a platform that the majority of the business world uses', that is nonsense. (Not that most of the business world uses Windows, but that that should enter into the decision making process.) There have been any number of studies that have shown that children can learn on either system, and easily adapt to the other. It's the adults that have more difficulty going from one to the other.

Frankly, I think that it makes sense to have some of each type of computer in schools. At this point they play reasonably nicely together.
 
Love my new eMac!

I've been waiting it seems like forever for a fast and cheap Mac to upgrade from my aging iMac DV G3-400. The new eMac models finally hit my threshold. I bought a new $999 1GHZ G4 combo-drive eMac yesterday from my local Apple Store (I was so happy they had them in stock on the same day they were released!). I stopped off at CompUSA and bought 256MB of RAM for $25 (after $20 rebate) on the way home. I installed the RAM, set up the eMac in minutes. After playin around for a few minutes, I ran AutoUpdate and updated to OS 10.2.6, iTunes4, Quicktime 6.2, and a few others in about 30 minutes (all automatically). Then I was off enjoying the the Net, the new iTunes store, iPhoto, and I watched a few movie previews with Quicktime. I've had RoadRunner broadband Internet for a few years on the older iMac, but it really flies now on the eMac - and that was with MS Internet Explore as I have not yet downladed Safari.

I also picked up MS Office X for $199 with the eMac, but haven't opened it yet - trying to see if I can be happy with AppleWorks instead so I can return Office to save a few bucks.

Apple has a winner with the updated eMac line - maybe in a few months the $799 eMac model will have a 1GHZ processer, a CD-RW, and 256MB of RAM. That would be a HUGE seller!

PS - I'm also one of those people who think the Apple mouse is nice looking, but it really needs left and right buttons and a scroll wheel. I'm going back to my Logitech mouse.
 
Originally posted by areyouwishing

I didn't take the time to check educational discounts, but i think this speaks for itself. If apple really cared about the education market, they would show it for a change. Going with a windows solution gives educatators the ability to teach kids on a platform that the majority of the business world uses.

Im pro mac, im not an educator, but it is clear from these specs, apple is completely apathetic to their lost marktet share in education...what does the e stand for?
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No offense, but maybe you should go to the Education Store.

$699 for the low-end eMac. I think it's even cheaper for schools in bulk. Free or low cost shipping, set-up, support, etc. OS 9 and X. All-in-One unit (monitor built-in). And the best part, it's a Mac. Have you ever used a Dell. IMO it's always hit or miss with them.

But they should have more RAM.
 
Sony or Pioneer DVD writer in eMac 1Ghz superdrive?

I remember when the iMac 1Ghz superdrive was released there was talk that most of them were shipping with a sony DVD writer over the Pioneer model that Apple has used mostly in the past. I was just wondering if anyone who has bought a new eMac with superdrive could report if the drive is a sony or a pioneer. My apple centre hasn't got one on display yet (they have them in stock just not on display). Thanks...
 
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