elgruga said:
i quite agree with you on that.
it would be funny to see a iMac dome without screen
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i quite agree with you on that.
it would be funny to see a iMac dome without screen
I think the best part about this news is that it means that the iMac should be updated soon. I mean, they can't leave the $799 eMac and $2000+ iMac with the same processor, can they?
They did a lot of weird stuff in the past already, so I wouldn't try to predict anything based on that logic.Whotheheck said:
groovebuster
areyouwishing said:
Ummmm.... have you actually seen an eMac in person? They are _so_ not sexy. They're actually negatively sexy, sucking the sexiness out of any other sexy Mac within a 15' radius.
The eMac looks like a nose cone to an airplane.
emac sexual innuendos aside, they are very good value, and if you want to upgrade them, you can get up to 160gb hard disks put in them, which is not to be sneezed at. So im sure many education/office/stingy people will move towards this machine, and that can only be good for Apple.
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It is amusing how so many rumor followers class their needs as "what people want". In the case of the emac, the market is schools and millions of grannies, solitaire players and photo hobbyists and iTunes fans and people who have dedicated cheapo Playstations for high end games. ie the market is non computer nerds who would rather not know what a graphics card spec means. If they can turn it on and get straight to work, then that is very cool, thankyou very much. And if people in the market for a cheaper computer can go to stores and see what Apple (makers of the super cool iPod) can offer for £600 odd, only 10% of those interested people need to be impressed enough to buy an eMac, which would shoot Apple's sales into the stratosphere.
Flyers486 said:
I suspect new imacs next tuesday. Obviously you can't have a big gap in time offering a very cheap computer faster or as fast, as the expensive one. As there'll be no faster G4's, we'll have g5's single processors - makes a lot of sense. Then, the PM's will all be upgraded to double proc's making a clear destinction between educational, home use, and professional line.
Odd maschine out are the portables, as they will have to wait for g5 until next winter.
visor said:
I dont think we will see a PB prior to WWDC with anything more than a few tweaks. A G5 will require a completely new design to cope with heat, pwoer etc from what people are saying, and I can't see Apple (Steve) letting that out of the stable without some hoo haa.
Kirk said:
I don't know if it's the same on the Norwegian store, but on the UK site there is a mention of the new emacs with the new specs and new description etc..., but on the store it is still the old models. Weird no? I guess it's because they are going to update the store today for other machines...
NicoMan said:I don't know if it's the same on the Norwegian store, but on the UK site there is a mention of the new emacs with the new specs and new description etc..., but on the store it is still the old models. Weird no? I guess it's because they are going to update the store today for other machines...
Australia is 2-3 weeks...surely it wouldn't be much longer than that.
Check with other Apple retailers, not Apple.
Oh by the way, apparently if you call the Apple Store, you can order the new ones.NicoMan said:I don't know if it's the same on the Norwegian store, but on the UK site there is a mention of the new emacs with the new specs and new description etc..., but on the store it is still the old models. Weird no? I guess it's because they are going to update the store today for other machines...
How strange...
Apple's Top Ten
How often do they update the top ten selling items on the website? It hasn't changed in a few weeks...it's hard to imagine the PB and iMac are the top selling machines at the moment since they are currently the worst in price/performance...
How often do they update the top ten selling items on the website? It hasn't changed in a few weeks...it's hard to imagine the PB and iMac are the top selling machines at the moment since they are currently the worst in price/performance...
in all this talk....
I'm thinking that Apple's a little off kilter with their strategy, and I don't think it's intentional. There clearly are problems going on behind the scenes with the new IBM power chips, it could well be combination of the heat problems, supply problems, aluminium problems (if you like), the reported motherboard problems and the clock speed issues.
The eMac was clearly the easiest one to update and by now apple ideally would have liked to have the speed bumped G4 powerbooks out there, the interim incremental speed boosted G5 towers and an updated, possibly speed-bumped iMac. Because of these problems, apple's release strategy has gone haywire, and not through want of trying, I'm sure. I don't think they're trying to hack people off, what on earth would be the point of that. But they also don't want to fall into my 17inch's arena by making the speed bumped macs available only a few months before the new form models. So they've caught themselves between a rock and a sticky place and I reckon, have decided to skip one round of updates.
It's utterly possible that the eMac is the only one that was scheduled for release yesterday a while back, after the others, because it is apparently prime educational sales time. As it turns out it's the first one, but starting with the Xserve, everything else has slipped.
And here we have for the first time I can remember a top specked all-in-one mac, for under £500. It's not quite dell-busting, but it's definitely getting there!
I'm thinking that Apple's a little off kilter with their strategy, and I don't think it's intentional. There clearly are problems going on behind the scenes with the new IBM power chips, it could well be combination of the heat problems, supply problems, aluminium problems (if you like), the reported motherboard problems and the clock speed issues.
The eMac was clearly the easiest one to update and by now apple ideally would have liked to have the speed bumped G4 powerbooks out there, the interim incremental speed boosted G5 towers and an updated, possibly speed-bumped iMac. Because of these problems, apple's release strategy has gone haywire, and not through want of trying, I'm sure. I don't think they're trying to hack people off, what on earth would be the point of that. But they also don't want to fall into my 17inch's arena by making the speed bumped macs available only a few months before the new form models. So they've caught themselves between a rock and a sticky place and I reckon, have decided to skip one round of updates.
It's utterly possible that the eMac is the only one that was scheduled for release yesterday a while back, after the others, because it is apparently prime educational sales time. As it turns out it's the first one, but starting with the Xserve, everything else has slipped.
And here we have for the first time I can remember a top specked all-in-one mac, for under £500. It's not quite dell-busting, but it's definitely getting there!
good price and processor... crap graphics memory
the 9200 is the lamest graphics chip. it's time to put an agp slot ont he eMac. You have this great monitor but no way to exploit it's talent. 1.25 ghz is in no way a super speedy machine but I think a way to make it even less expensive would be to allow for better graphics capability. At least add a little memory for the graphics. Its cheap and it wouldn't chage the production line. 32MB? come on Steve. Get real.That said, It's nice and cheap now.
the 9200 is the lamest graphics chip. it's time to put an agp slot ont he eMac. You have this great monitor but no way to exploit it's talent. 1.25 ghz is in no way a super speedy machine but I think a way to make it even less expensive would be to allow for better graphics capability. At least add a little memory for the graphics. Its cheap and it wouldn't chage the production line. 32MB? come on Steve. Get real.That said, It's nice and cheap now.
Well the emac looks like a great deal.
But what we are seeing here is a huge stagnation in Apple's product line.
The CPUs are what people judge systems on, and Apple needs to roll out G5s across the line soon. When the whole line is stuck at 1.25ghz G4 because Apple can't let the percived value of the G5 drop, then we have problems. I'm suprised apple hasn't overclocked the iMac CPU to 1.33ghz or 1.42ghz, something thats not hard to do.
Apple needs to put G5s in the powerbooks and iMacs ASAP. They also need to bump the iMacs graphics card to a 9600 at least soon, as well. Also, a price drop on the iMacs should be up next - $100 for the lowest model and $200 on the higher models.
But what we are seeing here is a huge stagnation in Apple's product line.
The CPUs are what people judge systems on, and Apple needs to roll out G5s across the line soon. When the whole line is stuck at 1.25ghz G4 because Apple can't let the percived value of the G5 drop, then we have problems. I'm suprised apple hasn't overclocked the iMac CPU to 1.33ghz or 1.42ghz, something thats not hard to do.
Apple needs to put G5s in the powerbooks and iMacs ASAP. They also need to bump the iMacs graphics card to a 9600 at least soon, as well. Also, a price drop on the iMacs should be up next - $100 for the lowest model and $200 on the higher models.
NicoMan said:I don't know if it's the same on the Norwegian store, but on the UK site there is a mention of the new emacs with the new specs and new description etc..., but on the store it is still the old models. Weird no? I guess it's because they are going to update the store today for other machines...
same one german stores (germany, austria,switzerland)
but as addition the just copy-paste the description from the US site and only changed prices without translating anything else http://www.apple.com/de/emac/
i guess apple-germany didn't expect that...
"hans...hans, the customers are asking us about new eMacs and when they will be available !"
"new eMacs ? Ok I'll check out the apple.com homepage."
Hehe...takao said:
I also noticed that already a few times before with other product updates. Apple US seems to be so secretive about product updates that even the international subsidiaries are not informed at all in advance and it hits them totally unprepared! groovebuster
stoid said:
Must PCs in the eMacs price range don't even come with a real video card. They have "Integrated Intel" video which simply steals video ram from the main ram. As a result, most of the cheap Dells & Compaqs we've purchased have really poor video performance. Even resizing a window slows the system down for a few seconds...
32 MB is plenty for the eMacs target audience, and better than what you get on the typical lowend PC.
why are so many people complaining about 32 MB VRAM?
more is better, always, of course, but i don't hear anyone comparing this 32 MB VRAM in the eMac to integrated graphics often found in similarly priced PCs. if you are the type not minding blowing (my opinion) several hundreds of dollars on a video card so you can run the greatest games, then eMac is not meant for you.
if anything, it's the pro machines that need more. eMac is fine as is.
also, the past discussion about the clockspeed is rather pointless. are cars in canada "faster" than in the states because their speedometer shows larger numbers (in kilometers per hour)?
iMac and PowerBook needs an update, no doubt. and i am sure apple is working on it. but on its own, this eMac update is a good one - more powerful, more capable and cheaper than ever.
more is better, always, of course, but i don't hear anyone comparing this 32 MB VRAM in the eMac to integrated graphics often found in similarly priced PCs. if you are the type not minding blowing (my opinion) several hundreds of dollars on a video card so you can run the greatest games, then eMac is not meant for you.
if anything, it's the pro machines that need more. eMac is fine as is.
also, the past discussion about the clockspeed is rather pointless. are cars in canada "faster" than in the states because their speedometer shows larger numbers (in kilometers per hour)?
iMac and PowerBook needs an update, no doubt. and i am sure apple is working on it. but on its own, this eMac update is a good one - more powerful, more capable and cheaper than ever.
You either have a major bottleneck somewhere, or UT2004 is even more poorly programmed than I originally thought. On my Powerbook, the load time is a few minutes too. I figured it was the slow hard drive. However, if UT2004 really takes up that much memory, then something is seriously wrong with UT2004.
*Searching...searching...searching...ding!*
Here's the problem. Disable the "Preload all player skins" option. That might help. I'll have to try that, but why would they have such an option that causes such horrible slowdown on by default?
I don't think I would use UT2004 to judge any system. It sounds like it doesn't work well on anything except the highest end systems. The programmers at Epic should be ashamed of themselves.
*Searching...searching...searching...ding!*
Here's the problem. Disable the "Preload all player skins" option. That might help. I'll have to try that, but why would they have such an option that causes such horrible slowdown on by default?
I don't think I would use UT2004 to judge any system. It sounds like it doesn't work well on anything except the highest end systems. The programmers at Epic should be ashamed of themselves.
El Duderino said: