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Facetime not on the 4 seems odd given the front facing camera is basically the same as on the 4s. But on one hand, the iphone 4 was released in 2011 and could download Skype 3.0.1, the only version where backgrounding works properly, so we have options instead of facetime.
 
Lack of turn-by-turn navigation is the only thing that sucks. Was hoping to get a used iPhone 4 from Ebay.

Question... can the iPhone 4 be unlocked without a jailbreak?
 
It makes sense that most of these features wouldn't be on the 3GS, but why the VIP list? :confused:
 
What on earth is preventing FaceTime over cellular on the iPhone 4?

To have a proper answer please do:

1. Get a degree in the field of science, math and engineering
2. Become an expert in what you do
3. Apply for work at apple
4. Become a leading technical expert at apple
5. be part of the creative team that decides what is good and what is not for ios and apple hardware

Then you'll have the answer to the question that you posed above.
 
Neither does the 4S, unless you consider not-4G to be in fact LTE, which still isn't even 4G...

The 4S actually has the HSDPA+ which gives it "4G like" capabilities. The same is said for the iPad 3 which also has LTE (and HSDPA+). Therefore, I would imagine that the limitation for the codec that they are using to transmit video over the SS7 network is most likely the reason for them only allowing FaceTime on those 2 devices. They should have just come out and said, FaceTime over 4G. It is quite misleading.
 
To know bathe answer do:

1. Get a degree in the field of science, math and engineering
2. Become an expert in what you do
3. Apply for work at apple
4. Become a leading technical expert at apple
5. be part of the creative team that decides what is good and what is not for ios and apple hardware

Then you'll have the answer to the question that you posed above.

or you can jailbreak your device and find out it works just fine right now
 
The at&t iphone can be unlocked by the original owner without a jailbreak, if it is out of contract under most circumstances.

Lack of turn-by-turn navigation is the only thing that sucks. Was hoping to get a used iPhone 4 from Ebay.

Question... can the iPhone 4 be unlocked without a jailbreak?
 
"Android is fragmented. But iOS isn't." Where's the sandbox so I can put my head in there with all the other people claiming this ?

And this isn't fragmentation? How funny that Apple of all companies, who rips on Android for be fragmented, goes and fragments the whole OS. Again, people, Apple doesn't care about the consumer. What reason is there for not enabling Face time over 3G on the iPhone 4? Skype can do it fine, and so can jailbroken handsets. Apple doesn't care about you, they simply care bilking more money out of everyone!

Fragmentation is about developers. A developer who requires iOS6 can be confident that almost all currently sold iOS devices can get the update. This is not true of Android which after 8 months only has 7% of the market. APIs and development time are what matter in these issues, not the lack of support of features (no one expects the iPhone 3GS to support video calls when it lacks a front facing camera).
 
If you think this is fragmentation, you haven't looked at the mess that is Android.

As an Android user, I must say the fragmentation isn't nearly as bad or even as noticeable as Apple claims it to be. I've never come across an app that hasn't worked on either of my Android devices.
 
Too little

Apple should continue supporting the older devices. Even the original iPhone should be supported by iOS6. Sure, some features wouldn't work on the older hardware since it lacks the processing capacity but something as simple as folders, which Apple doesn't offer to the 1st Gen, is merely a simple software organization thing. Apple should also continue to support older software, e.g., on the Macintosh OSX Classic and Rosetta should still be supported. There is a tremendous amount of old software, especially for education and small business, that is not available except under Classic and Rosetta. Shame on Apple for destroying cultural heritage. Shame on Apple for promoting waste.
 
I could have sworn that the US site said Facetime would be available on the 4 yesterday. I didn't take a screenshot, can anyone verify if this was changed?
 
Honestly, I wouldn't give a single **** about these features missing on older devices. Apple has a business model. They are updating 3GS which is a big thing.

What I don't understand is - why the fick are they not enabling FaceTime over cellular on iPhone 4. They promised in 2010 when they released the iPhone 4 that they are talking to carriers to enable this by next year. 2 years and you don't release the **** and then you block promised users. Just ****ing wrong.

And by the way I own a 4S.
 
The 4S actually has the HSDPA+ which gives it "4G like" capabilities. The same is said for the iPad 3 which also has LTE (and HSDPA+). Therefore, I would imagine that the limitation for the codec that they are using to transmit video over the SS7 network is most likely the reason for them only allowing FaceTime on those 2 devices. They should have just come out and said, FaceTime over 4G. It is quite misleading.

Facetime works fine over 3G on jailbroken devices, so none of this applies. Additionally, who cares what technical standard is used to the transmit video. As of now, of course Facetime works over WiFi, but a minimum bandwidth requirement has never been required. I have used facetime over a 256kbps up WiFi connection, and it worked. Why can a 256kbps WiFi connection work fine, but not a 3G connection that at least in my area is around 500kbps up on ATT?


Yep, let's dig a little deeper in that sand, place the head firmly in there.
Don't talk favorably too much about Android here, and don't even consider talking poorly about Apple in anyway.... The community will ruin you.... I already know far to well about that.
 
In all seriousness though, this isn't at all what Apple is talking about. When Apple talks about fragmentation, they're referring to the fact that developers have to make multiple versions of their apps to support all the Android devices. The fact that Siri isn't on the iPhone 4 doesn't require me to make a separate version of my app, nor do any of those other neglected features.

In all seriousness, the Android frameworks are built in a way that you don't actually have to do that. You target an API level and a common set of hardware features. Same as you would with iOS devices... except there is no such thing as an API level, you have to basically test out things to make sure the APIs are there or not or block out devices from being able to buy your apps... oh wait, like Android.

It's the friggin same thing. There's no reason to go on and on about Android fragmentation when iOS does the same thing.
 
Better than how iOS 4 made the 3G run :p

I know it sucks to miss out on new features but trust me, as a previous owner of an iPhone 3G, you're better to miss out on features than have a slow and buggy system. iOS 4 crippled the 3G, so I sold it and refused to get another iPhone once they announced they were providing no more updates. My advice to iPhone 3Gs owners would be to not upgrade to iOS 6 at all.
 
This, plus no updated (even slightly) iMac...... has lowered my excitation levels regarding Apple this summer/fall.

Just last week I was extremely excited, too. I really wanted a new iMac and navigation on my iPhone 4. Oh well. The new iPhone better be worth it.
 
Apple should continue supporting the older devices. Even the original iPhone should be supported by iOS6. Sure, some features wouldn't work on the older hardware since it lacks the processing capacity but something as simple as folders, which Apple doesn't offer to the 1st Gen, is merely a simple software organization thing. Apple should also continue to support older software, e.g., on the Macintosh OSX Classic and Rosetta should still be supported. There is a tremendous amount of old software, especially for education and small business, that is not available except under Classic and Rosetta. Shame on Apple for destroying cultural heritage. Shame on Apple for promoting waste.

No, no no. What don't you understand about software support lifecycles ? Piling code on and on results in tremendous bit rot which causes support, Q&A and development costs and efforts to shoot up. By the time you're done fixing all your regressions, you've implemented 1 new feature without breaking 30 years of legacy cruft in the time in would have taken you to implement 10 new features if you had done away with the legacy stuff.

It's ok to leave behind older, unsupported and EOL'ed hardware. Learn to deal with it, that's a reality of the industry. Your device keeps on working with the older versions of software.
 
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