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Have people ever wonder why Google decides to include Flash?
My guess was that it would make Flash blocking (and hence, ad blocking) harder.

And, although most people know how to nuke standard cookies, probably an equal number don't realize that Flash cookies are handled differently and don't go away when the standard cookies are cleared.

Just what you'd expect from spyware masquerading as a browser...
 
I've actually had Chrome crash entire OSes.

To rephrase - "I've actually had Chrome trigger a fault in the OS and cause a crash".

Usermode programs cannot crash the OS.


I filed a bug report and submitted the BSOD logs but companies never seem to pay attention.

Microsoft does statistical tracking of bugs, based on the "report this to Microsoft" popup. If one person has a crash, it probably won't be noticed (or fixed). If Microsoft sees thousands of the same crash, it gets attention quickly.

That's one reason to click "Yes" to the popup and report the problem. Even if the failed program isn't from Microsoft, it's still a good idea to click "Yes" and send the report to Microsoft. (Third parties can enroll to see errors in their applications that were reported through Microsoft.)
 
Am I the only one who's Flash in Chrome is not working? I uninstalled Flash and was planning on using Chrome for only flash stuff. Or just using it exclusively. But only audio works in flash, I can't see anything. There's a big white space on Pandora and just black video on YouTube.
 
To rephrase - "I've actually had Chrome trigger a fault in the OS and cause a crash".

Usermode programs cannot crash the OS.

So why did Chrome crash Windows, Mac OSX and Linux? (Something you still haven't answered, a fault is still a crash)

"Userland" unfortunately for your argument is different on every operating system and Userland covers different areas of the OS. But there is one thing I know that will cause a Kernel fault/crash in Userland mode on any OS.

Erratic memory leak. I remember seeing some benchmarks of Chrome when it was first released, it measured up in the Gigabytes in terms of memory. I don't know about recent versions though.

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Microsoft does statistical tracking of bugs, based on the "report this to Microsoft" popup. If one person has a crash, it probably won't be noticed (or fixed). If Microsoft sees thousands of the same crash, it gets attention quickly.

That's one reason to click "Yes" to the popup and report the problem. Even if the failed program isn't from Microsoft, it's still a good idea to click "Yes" and send the report to Microsoft. (Third parties can enroll to see errors in their applications that were reported through Microsoft.)

I submitted the logs to Google AS I've had this behavior several times and not just on Microsoft OSes. (If you read my post properly)

Sorry Morphing I am calling ******** on this. Clicking a download link can never cause blue screen unless the hardware itself is failing.

Good for you. This just shows how little you understand about how badly a bug in a program can effect a system.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Go...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
So, we agree. A usermode program cannot cause a panic unless there's a fault in the OS.
I agree that is one possibility.

Perhaps a program could call upon another program (which does operate closer to the kernel) in such a way as to produce the same result? There's a flaw somewhere in the chain of events. I don't know where, or if we can yet narrow it down to only two possibilities.


Here it is "Last login: Wed May 5 23:04:18 on console
William-Buquois-MacBook:~ williambuquoi$ kextstat |grep -v com.apple
Index Refs Address Size Wired Name (Version) <Linked Against>
William-Buquois-MacBook:~ williambuquoi$ kextstat |grep -v com.apple
Index Refs Address Size Wired Name (Version) <Linked Against>
William-Buquois-MacBook:~ williambuquoi$ "

Nothing there. [thanks anyway]
 
I switched from Firefox to Chrome on my POS XP machine and the increase in speed and boot time was tremendous. I also appreciate the extra screen real estate. But the jerky scrolling on the OSX version kept me from switching from Safari. With this latest version, that issue has been resolved finally and Chrome is now my browser of choice on both XP and OSX. It has all the benefits of a webkit browser like Safari, but with FAR more functionality and a nicer UI.
 
So why did Chrome crash Windows, Mac OSX and Linux? (Something you still haven't answered, a fault is still a crash)

An userland application can cause a fault in the kernel to be hit, and panic (BSOD/crash) the system.

Chrome did not BSOD Windows, or panic Linux. Chrome (in userland), caused a chain of events that lead kernel code to take the system down.

For another example, with the Vista RTM the latest VMware build would BSOD my system within a second of starting a VM. I could do this every time I clicked the userland VMware GUI on "Start VM".

The actual problem was in the kernel VMware drivers, and the fact that the drivers failed to properly setup timer interrupts on multi-socket systems.

Athough the sequence was initiated at the userland GUI - the actual BSOD didn't come from the GUI, or even from the VMware kernel drivers. The bugcheck came from core Microsoft kernel code which received a spurious timer interrupt - and deliberately took the system down. That build of VMware was unusable on multi-socket systems - it would BSOD every time that you tried to start a VM. (Single socket systems were OK.)


"Userland" unfortunately for your argument is different on every operating system and Userland covers different areas of the OS. But there is one thing I know that will cause a Kernel fault/crash in Userland mode on any OS.

Erratic memory leak. I remember seeing some benchmarks of Chrome when it was first released, it measured up in the Gigabytes in terms of memory. I don't know about recent versions though.

A userland memory leak will not BSOD/panic a system unless the OS has a fault in its handling of low memory situations, or fails to enforce quotas on processes. Windows will not panic, although once it starts using page file space for memory overflows it can become so slow that it appears to be hung.



Nice picture - it supports my position that nothing in userland (yellow) can panic the system. Only kernel (red) code can do that.


I submitted the logs to Google AS I've had this behavior several times and not just on Microsoft OSes. (If you read my post properly)

Please, you said "I filed a bug report and submitted the BSOD logs but companies never seem to pay attention.". How is one supposed to "properly" read such an ambiguous statement to say that you submitted logs to Google?
 
I will continue to use Safari simply because of it's silky-smooth smooth-scrolling. I've yet to come across a browser than can do smooth-scrolling as well as Safari can. I don't care about a .0001 speed increase that I'll never notice.

are you done yet?

ughh you're EXHAUSTING!

so in other words you've never studied ActionScript/Flex nor have seen a real flash site before. if you had, you would know that HTML + CSS + JavaScript is no where near as capable. just stop assuming, please.

why is it always one of the other with you people? i understand it's scary for fanboys like you, but in the real world there is this thing called co-existance. can you name this "number of sites" that have completely dropped Flash and moved to HTML5?

you would be doing yourself a great service if you referenced actual facts rather than purely relying on that slanderous propoganda from steve jobs. let me help you with that: ActionScript 3.0 Reference for the Adobe Flash Platform - Multitouch API

just stop.

Nice try, Adobe. :rolleyes:
 
I will continue to use Safari simply because of it's silky-smooth smooth-scrolling. I've yet to come across a browser than can do smooth-scrolling as well as Safari can. I don't care about a .0001 speed increase that I'll never notice.

Chrome is just as smooth as Safari with this latest beta.
 
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