New GPU for (1st Gen) ryzen 7 1700x? Or...

[1BadManVan]

So been going around and around with this box and windows and updates and boot loops because windows wanted to update in the middle of me doing something else and refused to proceed until it was done with its task.

Then fought with the thumb drive I was trying to use that windows wouldn't read wanted to format then complained the thumb drive was write protected.

Finally got that sorted and the motherboard eufi misbehaving next detecting the new bios on the drive then telling me it's not detected so more tinkering and a day later same thing.

Even tried Internet update and it failed telling me to check my connections. Ugh it's wired.

So I'm at a loss and about ready to cut my losses and just walk away from this system. I do have a thought that perhaps there is too much of a difference between the current bios and new one I'm trying to update to. Maybe I need a couple incremental updates to bring the board up to speed? I'm not sure. I am getting to the point where I just don't want to mess with things at all anymore.

Maybe I can build a new system for 1k-1500$ I'm not sure. I'm not sure I want to even fiddle with things anymore. Pricing is insane.

If you're in the U.S, you can still build a reasonable system for $1.5k. Especially if you have a microcenter near you. For example, Ryzen 7 7700x, B650 board and 32gb DDR5 ram bundle for $499

Just doing a quick 2 min build on the microcenter site

7800x3d bundle, 32gb DDR5, 1 tb ssd, RTX 5070, 750 watt psu, case, dual tower air cooler was $1585

Knock down to the $499 bundle with the 7700x for $100 less and you're under $1500

 

[slitherjef]

Unfortunately no microcenter near by, just a best buy or Walmart and that's iffy on parts. I guess there is always (sc)Amazon but that's sketchy.

I booted up the bios eufi or whatever it wants to be known as a little bit ago and tried the Internet connection set up thing again. It failed. But I noticed the time and date in the settings was from years ago... Perhaps it's default time and date when the battery goes out on things.

Might explain a few things. Might have a battery to change out.

 

[slitherjef]

I did just realize that I still have the decommissioned MSI B450 rig that I was running Linux on until I borked it during an update. The CPU was the ryzen 2200g.

I do think this is a somewhat more updated system and might take a few upgrades a bit more heartily especially if some light gaming and media viewing is on the menu.

 

[slitherjef]

Still doing some window shopping, trying to catch my bearings since I've been out of the computer game for a while.

Spotted an updated MSI B550 plus board for about $150 and an AMD ryzen 5 5500 6 core 3.6ghz CPU for 90 bucks. Don't seem to bad. Ram? Have some DDR4 laying around. Case CPU and even an old 1080 which should allow the system to boot. Also have old installs of OS's on a couple m.2 drive and even a fresh one laying around and could once again try Linux on the potentially cursed box 😳 🤔

Top of the line? Nope. Slight upgrade with room to grow? Possibly. Still just some thinking out loud.

 

[maflynn]

Top of the line? Nope. Slight upgrade with room to grow? Possibly. Still just some thinking out loud.

What's your budget?

Which MSI motherboard are you talking about, there's a number of models from MSI, which differing features.
If I was looking for an AM4 socketed cpu, I'd be focusing my attention on 5800X3D

Personally, if I'm looking to a build a new system, I'd be looking for something more then a slight upgrade. AM5 based builds can be very expensive in today's market, I get it. I probably would be leaning into an AM4 build myself, I actually have one but I'm not looking to upgrade anytime soon.

Here's a table that chatgpt produced, I think this is helpful to see what you can get with AM4 based processors.

If I were to upgrade my system, I'd probably be looking at the 5700x or more likely the 5800x3d, but that's me

 

[diamond.g]

What's your budget?

Which MSI motherboard are you talking about, there's a number of models from MSI, which differing features.
If I was looking for an AM4 socketed cpu, I'd be focusing my attention on 5800X3D

Personally, if I'm looking to a build a new system, I'd be looking for something more then a slight upgrade. AM5 based builds can be very expensive in today's market, I get it. I probably would be leaning into an AM4 build myself, I actually have one but I'm not looking to upgrade anytime soon.

Here's a table that chatgpt produced, I think this is helpful to see what you can get with AM4 based processors.

If I were to upgrade my system, I'd probably be looking at the 5700x or more likely the 5800x3d, but that's me
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I've heard AMD is going to re-release the 5800X3d, so I assume the pricing listed will creep up.

sheesh this game is rough on even a 5950x. @slitherjef in this case I would, maybe, think about switching to an Intel build (if you have a microcenter near you, they have bundle for 530 that includes 32gb ram, cpu and motherboard).

 

[maflynn]

I've heard AMD is going to re-release the 5800X3d, so I assume the pricing listed will creep up.

I'm sure but if you can find a deal, jump on it

 

[slitherjef]

What's your budget?

Which MSI motherboard are you talking about, there's a number of models from MSI, which differing features.
If I was looking for an AM4 socketed cpu, I'd be focusing my attention on 5800X3D

Personally, if I'm looking to a build a new system, I'd be looking for something more then a slight upgrade. AM5 based builds can be very expensive in today's market, I get it. I probably would be leaning into an AM4 build myself, I actually have one but I'm not looking to upgrade anytime soon.

Here's a table that chatgpt produced, I think this is helpful to see what you can get with AM4 based processors.

If I were to upgrade my system, I'd probably be looking at the 5700x or more likely the 5800x3d, but that's me
View attachment 2625493

Budget? Obviously lower the better but figured maybe $1000-1500 if I wanted to actually go for a new build. Haven't really thought about Intel but it's very possible same for an Nvidia GPU. The real hesitation is I keep asking myself if I'm actually into computers and still wanted to mess around with them like I used to way back in the day before they became "service devices"

The reason for the AMD line of thinking was if I did actually go back to Linux and give it another try.

At least with computer parts, the purchase can be spread out a little bit.

I need to keep trying the PS5 and try to get used to the wonky controls and need for the right analog stick to look around. Yeah been out of gaming for a long time as well.

BTW my graphical need might have upped a couple more ticks from beamng. Recently picked up high on life on PC as well as the outer worlds 1. They don't seem to need very high end GPU?

I do think hearing it might be worth just going into AM5 instead of duck taping my current boxes along. Or get good with the PS5...

 

[slitherjef]

Actually installing up updated eufi bios firmware thing right now... Or making a brick... 😳

It accepted a version 3.30 update and flashing it. I'm suspecting the newer firmware I was using was too new and unreadable by the board. Will see how this works. Going to be a drawn out process to get it totally current. If I don't brick it.

Received a "success" on the flash 🤞

 

[slitherjef]

Short update I guess...

Think I'm up against the wall and now with more news of ram prices and flash memory pricing just getting started in the price hike and my PS5 not really doing it for me and my current unsupported desktop very old and limited to PCIe 3.0 only, the best time to update was a year ago. Next best time? Well probably should start shopping for potential upgrades. At least I can part together a new system, shop for possible deals.

Just don't know where to start. Everything moving fast been out of the PC building game for a while. It does look like I would need 3 things

CPU (probably AMD)
RAM (since DDR 5 is a little more future proof) seems this stuff has different speeds and latency unlike the DDR 4 I got

And a GPU unless I get a CPU with integrated graphics to hold me over until I can get maybe the Radeon equivalent of a 3090.

Oh 4 things, a motherboard since electrical tape won't hold things together... Don't need to be fancy maybe updated MSI b450 board?

My case, PSU and possibly fan.

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I just priced out a Corsair 32gb DDR 5 kit 6000mhz about 420 bucks on scamazon. Not horrible but definitely not great either. It's manageable.

Haven't priced out a CPU or mobo just yet, as I'm feeling my way around in the dark.

Still wondering if I want to go this route and build. Also if I do, going back to a Linux setup is not out of the question, part of the reason for leaning towards AMD.

My current desktop should be able to do a little something but a couple games I do have my eyes on, perhaps not. Pragmata, Skyrim (again) out worlds 2 (to complete the series) potentially GTA VI eventually. Possibly a few other newer titles. Possibly a crash trilogy.

Do I need 4k at 240 fps? Nope. Probably be okay with 1080p or 1440p 30-60fps.

Bad time for tech right now across the board 😖 🤮

 

[diamond.g]

Short update I guess...

Think I'm up against the wall and now with more news of ram prices and flash memory pricing just getting started in the price hike and my PS5 not really doing it for me and my current unsupported desktop very old and limited to PCIe 3.0 only, the best time to update was a year ago. Next best time? Well probably should start shopping for potential upgrades. At least I can part together a new system, shop for possible deals.

Just don't know where to start. Everything moving fast been out of the PC building game for a while. It does look like I would need 3 things

CPU (probably AMD)
RAM (since DDR 5 is a little more future proof) seems this stuff has different speeds and latency unlike the DDR 4 I got

And a GPU unless I get a CPU with integrated graphics to hold me over until I can get maybe the Radeon equivalent of a 3090.

Oh 4 things, a motherboard since electrical tape won't hold things together... Don't need to be fancy maybe updated MSI b450 board?

My case, PSU and possibly fan.

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I just priced out a Corsair 32gb DDR 5 kit 6000mhz about 420 bucks on scamazon. Not horrible but definitely not great either. It's manageable.

Haven't priced out a CPU or mobo just yet, as I'm feeling my way around in the dark.

Still wondering if I want to go this route and build. Also if I do, going back to a Linux setup is not out of the question, part of the reason for leaning towards AMD.

My current desktop should be able to do a little something but a couple games I do have my eyes on, perhaps not. Pragmata, Skyrim (again) out worlds 2 (to complete the series) potentially GTA VI eventually. Possibly a few other newer titles. Possibly a crash trilogy.

Do I need 4k at 240 fps? Nope. Probably be okay with 1080p or 1440p 30-60fps.

Bad time for tech right now across the board 😖 🤮

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx

If you have a microcenter near you (assuming you live in the US) they have killer bundle deals for building a new system. You could reuse your storage (assuming SATA) and probably case. Would recommend a new power supply. For GPU either a 5060 8GB or a 9060XT 8GB (both should be able to be had for under 400).

That system build would do fine for high framerate 1080p (depending on settings you may even be able to do 1440p).