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New iMac and iPad Mini to Be in Short Supply Until 2013

k995 said:
5400k HDD certyainly

nvidia 600 series also by the time it actually get in quanity out 03/2012 the 700series will be there . For th CPU the same it succesor is almost ready and there .

Dont know why it took apple a year to implement this, altough seeing the form the whole form over function probably got once more in the way and delayed everything.
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I'll agree that 5400k is a bit slow, but to the laymen it doesn't make a difference. Only a pro user cares about HHD speed because most people don't even know what that means. Not to mention you are more than welcome to put and SSD in it.

Again, most people don't care about the graphics card. I'm a CS major and I have never considered graphics performance when buying a computer (maybe because I don't play games).

I disagree that form got in the way of functionality. I would agree that the 21" model is not as 'upgradable' as the 27" version, but you have to remember that they are also marketing to stay-at-home moms and people who just want a sleek, all-in-one desktop. There is no need to make the 21" top of the line which would only make the price go up (and only appease a small sample of the population). Not all computer users know or care about the specs.
 
To me the difficulties ramping production of next gen displays is the singular reason we have not seen an integrated Apple TV yet. You can be sure Apple will want to differentiate from its competitors by offering 2K and 4K so the TV is "better" by any spec or future tech support basis.

Apple has been developing relationships with at least three large display manufacturers and has been licensing technology such as that from Sharp and Corning to integrate bleeding edge tech into displays.

The day we finally see an integrated Apple TV, they will have rights to most of the production capacity for those displays and will have about a 2 year first mover advantage as well as their existing ecosystem and mind share dominance.

Flommoxed.

Rocketman

When I saw "Lincoln" this week it was presented in digital 4K on a traditional size theatrical screen. When I saw Toy Story at the El Capitan it was digitally displayed on a 4x normal theatrical screen and was pixelated.
 
Rocketman said:
To me the difficulties ramping production of next gen displays is the singular reason we have not seen an integrated Apple TV yet. You can be sure Apple will want to differentiate from its competitors by offering 2K and 4K so the TV is "better" by any spec or future tech support basis.

Apple has been developing relationships with at least three large display manufacturers and has been licensing technology such as that from Sharp and Corning to integrate bleeding edge tech into displays.

The day we finally see an integrated Apple TV, they will have rights to most of the production capacity for those displays and will have about a 2 year first mover advantage as well as their existing ecosystem and mind share dominance.

Flommoxed.

Rocketman

When I saw "Lincoln" this week it was presented in digital 4K on a traditional size theatrical screen. When I saw Toy Story at the El Capitan it was digitally displayed on a 4x normal theatrical screen and was pixelated.
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I work in high end Post Production, often working in 2K and 4K acquired source material, however I cannot see why anyone would want either a 2K or 4K display for domestic use in the near and medium future. Just the data bandwidth required for such high resolutions are huge and the cost of the displays is still very high. People talk about these high resolution displays like their the Golden Goose but there is absolutely no the point for them in the home when there is currently no mainstream media now, or in the near future, that would utilise them?
 
madrag said:
Patience has a limit.

I have been waiting for the iMac since December 2011.

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Releasing in the last day of November (still to be seen, in my opinion) is still November, but looks more like one of those lawyer things where technicalities are all that matters.

In this case, the release date is supposed to be meant for the customers, not for someone tracking the calendar. November in my head meant start of, or middle of, not the last day :(
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If you placed your order on day 1 then you aren't going to be affected. If you've been waiting for a year then you obviously placed a pre-order.
 
spcdust said:
I work in high end Post Production, often working in 2K and 4K acquired source material, however I cannot see why anyone would want either a 2K or 4K display for domestic use in the near and medium future. Just the data bandwidth required for such high resolutions are huge and the cost of the displays is still very high. People talk about these high resolution displays like their the Golden Goose but there is absolutely no the point for them in the home when there is currently no mainstream media now, or in the near future, that would utilize them?
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Apple, Red, and Sharp are skating to the puck.

Today? 4xHD on one display for shows like Sports Mix or Red Zone.

For now the market will be limited to folks with cable or optical internet. Heck even the new $400 "go" sports camera captures 4K. That is consumer pricing.

Rocketman
 
Welcome to the new apple... products are thinner and well designed ... for a prototype.

But when you need to make the stuff

iphone 5 - scuffed phones, manufacturing complexity

imac - hard to source panels and in the quest for thinness... difficulty to add ram, upgrade hard drive/ssd or such.

Why does this stuff have to be so difficult? Apple is looking kinda stupid right now.

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iRCL said:
If you placed your order on day 1 then you aren't going to be affected. If you've been waiting for a year then you obviously placed a pre-order.
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you kidding me? you can't order this one on day one. the website wont let people order.
 
I paid for my iPad mini two weeks ago at a store, they are still waiting for stock... I don't mind waiting two weeks but with this news it sounds like I'm gonna have to wait like 2 months...
 
Apple/Samsung

It's all because of the freaking Confucianism. It's always been Samsung Mobile that was the issue. But the Whole can't Separate from the Dung Beatle.

If they were Buddhists, non of this crap would be happening.

Apple is being forced by Samsung to go other places for parts. It's no grand move by Tim. He has no choice. I dam well would rather have Samsung RAM, chips designed by Apple, and Displays in my Apple Gear.

Won't be long until Google and Apple are working together to minimize Samsung in the Mobile Market. No idea how, but I'd bet both are thinking the same thing. :apple:
 
Nice setup/story for the next stock holders meeting.

"We could of sold 1000x more but we didn't have the stock. That's why the earnings are low."
 
iRCL said:
If you placed your order on day 1 then you aren't going to be affected. If you've been waiting for a year then you obviously placed a pre-order.
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You can't pre-order, the most you can do is give the local Apple store your details and they will call when you can order. But given most people waiting will be checking the Apple site daily there is no real advantage.

Yep I'm bracing myself for my 27" BTO sometime in Jan 2013 and not before the holidays. But I've been waiting over 6 months to upgrade so another month won't kill me. *firstworldproblems*
 
AppleInTheMud said:
This starts reminding me about the Amiga Scene...

Lots of promises about great products and NOTHING happens... Just the good stuff getting worse, and then even not being delivered.
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Actually Apple already got badly burned in the 90s when the PowerBook 500 series was introduced. The overwhelming demand for its great design and wrong market predictions resulted in shortages and considerable loss of revenue for the company.

As I said before, the main problem is just one: Tim Cook. He is a great COO and should go back to that position, EXCLUSIVELY. He doesn't have the necessary vision nor the bandwidth to act as CEO - this is why Apple is facing so many supply issues nowadays.
 
yeah said:
The Ivy-Bridge chips still have 6-8 months until they are outdated.
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Millions of Ivy-Bridge based PC owners watch this bedlam with great amusement (while other are preparing to purchase Haswell-based PCs) :D
 
mbh said:
Request denied. If Apple releases the 27 inch iMac on December 31st, you are required to stand in line all day and night until you purchase one.

:rolleyes:
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As usual. Say one negative thing about Apple and someone would say "nobody effin cares about you".

Never thought people would be annoyed to express their opinion here, if not for praising the holy :apple: ;)
 
iSayuSay said:
As usual. Say one negative thing about Apple and someone would say "nobody effin cares about you".

Never thought people would be annoyed to express their opinion here, if not for praising the holy :apple: ;)
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You invented something to be upset about: that Apple would somehow prevent you from spending New Year's Eve with your friends/family if they released the 27 inch iMac on the 31st.

I just pointed out that this is nonsense.
 
taxiapple said:
It's been a couple years. Pretty much started with the 1st iPhone.
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I waited somewhere between four and six months for an iPod mini a few years ago. I'm willing to bet at that time they were having trouble sourcing enough teeny 4GB hard drives to meet demand. So this is hardly a new phenomenon.

Apple products are often a blend of standard components and bleeding-edge industrial design. In the case of the iMac I agree with those on this board who think the process to build the monitor turned out to be much harder to scale than they anticipated -- hence the delays and concern about tight supply. I also agree with those who wish they hadn't fixated on making a "thin" desktop. I would have settled for new guts in the old form factor if it had been available six months ago. That said, I'll be racing ya'll to place an order for a 21" model at midnight on Thursday or early Friday morning.
 
peterdevries said:
Just like other consumer electronics companies Apple needs to introduce new and updated products regularly. By itself this is not a problem. But there is a limited world capacity for the production of electronics components, and Apple commands a big part of that capacity already. The speed at which Apple is increasing its market size globally and the sudden surge of demand after a new product introduction puts a tremendous strain on their claimed capacity.

It’s a catch 22 situation: Apple cannot wait to announce the new products as you can see from the drop in demand before the introduction of a new iPhone (they would lose market share and risk a drop in revenue). In addition it is not able to produce enough of the product at launch to satisfy all demand.

There are many people just claiming that Apple should produce more of their products, but currently all production capacity is claimed and the building of a new factory is not done in a few weeks, nor is it without risks. Furthermore no-one is able to accurately predict the demand for Apple devices, as the divergence between the iPhone 5 predictions and actual sales numbers show.

Tl;dr: it’s not so simple to “just make more". Read the above..
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I did not say just make more, what I said was better planning and lead time management along with reasonable setting of market expectations. Huge difference in what I said and what you think I said.

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xofruitcake said:
And the same folks are saying Apple is not innovative enough and not putting enough new technology into their product. Isn't the problem with these two product delay caused by supplier not able to fill their promise? Do you want old technology instead? :cool:
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Again people read what I am saying. What I am saying is Apple is setting an expectation in the market of a delivery date and of a quality product. They are designing things that they cannot produce in the quantities at the quality the market has been led to expect. In that sense they are failing to deliver. I am not saying Apple should not innovate, I am saying Apple needs to do a better job of innovating while setting the correct market expectations AND ensuring they have the ability to produce the required quantities for the market.

Apple made people wait what over a year for the new iMac and yet they STILL cannot deliver to meet demand; after a year of planning? To me, that is a fail on the planning side of the business. If you disagree, fine, but in this day and age of instant gratification, when you make people wait over a year for a new product and then fail to make that product available on time and in enough quantities to resonably meet demand, you have failed. Maybe not to the point of a major loss in business, but these things add up toward market reputation.

Again, just IMHO, I know its taboo here to speak bad about Apple, so I will now go in the corner and shame myself.
 
mbh said:
You invented something to be upset about: that Apple would somehow prevent you from spending New Year's Eve with your friends/family if they released the 27 inch iMac on the 31st.

I just pointed out that this is nonsense.
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All sarcasm is nonsense. Mine included. Being able to detect one certainly helps
:)
 
mohsy90 said:
it's clearly evident that other suppliers can't handle the demand ... and the quality.
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I'm writing from an HP LP2475w, based on an LG panel, and I have to say it is the best display I've ever worked on. So, I would not fear about quality too much.

Paolo
 
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