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from the looks its useable while charging ...

Same goes for the new keyboard...
They're referring to the mouse, not the trackpad.
 
I don't know what Apple is smoking. The lightning port at the bottom of the Magic Mouse 2 is just bad design. The Magic Mouse is already bad enough ergonomically. Seems like the smart people were put to work on the trackpad, leaving the crazy ones doing the mouse.

As for the 5400rpm drive as the standard, it's annoying for sure. However, considering there are many PC OEMs putting 5400rpm drives on their ultrabooks, I'm guessing it's not an uncommon decision. Then again, the iMac is a desktop. I mean I know Apple is the master of upselling, but I think for the sake of customer experience, 5400rpm drive should be phased out already.
 
That's hilarious. I'm imagining having the new Magic Mouse 2 upside down with a lightning cable sticking out charging for two hours. What an odd sight for an Apple designed product. o_O

It takes 2 minutes to charge it enough for 9 hours. 2 hours gives it a full charge, which is good enough for a month.

I wonder how long it would take to charge up enough for 2 hours. 20 seconds? Seems like it charges quick enough that if my mouse dies during an online game, I could pause, ask for 20 seconds to charge, then resume, and reasonably expect people to actually wait that long.
 
That's hilarious. I'm imagining having the new Magic Mouse 2 upside down with a lightning cable sticking out charging for two hours. What an odd sight for an Apple designed product. o_O

No kidding...They're so "laser focused" on detail that one person out of a hundred designers and engineers didn't suggest maybe not rendering the product useless while its charging?
 
I definitely will upgrade the trackpad, but the keyboard I can wait on. I have a rMB, so I have really adjusted to force touch. I actually wish they just took the macbook keyboard and made it a standalone option. Once you get use to the butterfly keys and low travel everything else feels very clunky.

They did take the Macbook keyboard and make it standalone:

The new Magic Keyboard, $99, features Bluetooth for wireless connectivity and a built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery that charges fully in about two hours using a Lightning to USB cable. The redesigned keyboard has a reengineered scissor mechanism with 33% more key stability and a lower profile for more precise and comfortable typing.

Isn't that the same as the rMB?
 
I actually wish they just took the macbook keyboard and made it a standalone option. Once you get use to the butterfly keys and low travel everything else feels very clunky.

Isn't the magic keyboard just that.... with the butterfly mechanism? Seems like it's just what you asked for.

One think that I find annoying is that they don't come with a numerical keypad option. I guess I'll have to buy a separate piece for that.
 
It takes 2 minutes to charge it enough for 9 hours. 2 hours gives it a full charge, which is good enough for a month.

I wonder how long it would take to charge up enough for 2 hours. 20 seconds? Seems like it charges quick enough that if my mouse dies during an online game, I could pause, ask for 20 seconds to charge, then resume, and reasonably expect people to actually wait that long.
Oh come on. LOL. It's simply a bad design. You don't see Apple putting the lightning port at the bottom of the keyboard or trackpad.

Unless Apple want to sell you a lightning dock (wonder if the iPhone one works for it) so people can easily "park" their mice on the dock to charge.
 
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Why, on earth, would these machines come standard with a 5,400 RPM hard drive? That essentially mandates an upgrade to a Fusion drive, which now is limited to only 24GB SSD unless you go up to the 2TB Fusion Drive. It seems like a lot of upgrading just to get some decent speed performance.


Apple's cheapness with storage is probably the most frustrating thing about all their products, and it's such an easy thing to fix.
 
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Same speed hard drive?

EDIT: Apparently so. Jeez what a bunch of cheapskates.

I agree... but knowing Apple. Here's the thought process.

Ive: Wow it's thin but the 7200 RPM drive generates a lot of heat. This thing will throttle too much under heavy load.

Team: Yup

Ive: Let's just drop it down to a 5400 RPM drive that's cooler and compensate with a SSD/Fusion solution.

Team: Yup

Ive: People will get what they pay for

Team: Yup

I can't quote the accent. Yup can be substituted for "Absolutely" and "You the man Jonny!"

:p
 
Oh come on. LOL. It's simply a bad design. You don't see Apple putting the lightning port at the bottom of the keyboard or trackpad.

Unless Apple want to sell you a lightning dock (wonder if the iPhone one works for it) so people can easily "park" their mice on the dock to charge.

With all the other stupid decisions that go into the Magic Mouse, this seems like a weird one to get stuck on.

I vastly prefer the Magic Trackpad.
 
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There are 3 variants to the trackpad 2 according to the education website. Anyone know what the difference is?
 
  • iMac 21.5" now can no longer have its memory upgraded, previously, with a bit of digging, you could, but now it's impossible.
  • 5400RPM hard drive? Really? Why is the 1TB fusion drive comes with a 24GB SSD? That's literally nothing!
  • Thanks for making everything only work with 10.11 or later only, my Magic Mouse works with 10.5 god dammit.
  • Why are all accessories twice as expensive?
  • Why is there no separate GPU option for the 21.5"?
  • Why is the Magic Mouse's connector on the bottom? Who designed this ****?
Apple is really becoming a company full of greedy bastards thanks to the likes of Tim Cook. Steve Jobs, please come back to life.
I'm pretty sure that Steve told Tim to put the $$ squeeze on once Steve's pipeline of products ended. Tim's ability to nickel and dime customers will determine how long Apple can survive.

There is an interesting cycle at work, Apple became a blockbuster company because back when the Apple user base was small, Apple could focus on the user experience... This caught on and now that Apple is so huge, they must become a greedy, shareholder feeding, damn the customer, type of company just to protect themselves from the inevitable diminish in popularity and marketshare that will come.... Kind of a changing of the guard if you will... Who will be next?
 
They did take the Macbook keyboard and make it standalone:

The new Magic Keyboard, $99, features Bluetooth for wireless connectivity and a built-in rechargeable lithium-ion battery that charges fully in about two hours using a Lightning to USB cable. The redesigned keyboard has a reengineered scissor mechanism with 33% more key stability and a lower profile for more precise and comfortable typing.

Isn't that the same as the rMB?

Isn't the magic keyboard just that.... with the butterfly mechanism? Seems like it's just what you asked for.

One think that I find annoying is that they don't come with a numerical keypad option. I guess I'll have to buy a separate piece for that.

It says it is still not as low profile as the MacBooks. I guess that is pretty close though. Shhh....don't point this out to me...I am not in the mood to spend $250 for a keyboard and mouse!
 
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I'm pretty sure that Steve told Tim to put the $$ squeeze on once Steve's pipeline of products ended. Tim's ability to nickel and dime customers will determine how long Apple can survive.
No, Steve Jobs was a person that cared about innovation, customers, etc. Tim Cook cares about MONEY and MONEY ALONE. If this means reducing the Mac Mini to a ***** Intel Atom computer, then he'll do it. If this means turning the iMac 21.5" into a lazy piece of ****, then he'll do it. If this means turning the rMBP into a computer full of glue to make it unrepairable, then he'll do it. If this means increasing the price of EVERYTHING, then he'll do it. He doesn't give two ***** about customers. He wants to make the company worth a trillion.
 
Or you can also stop and think about how the iMac isn't the professional Mac. The iMac is a casual use Mac that is consumer-oriented. Buy a Mac Pro if you want a powerful desktop.

It's a $1500 desktop in 2015. The early reviews confirm what common sense tells us - a 5400rpm hd on a broadwell desktop is going to be an unbelievable bottleneck. And the cost to Apple of a fusion drive standard (the one with 128 of flash, nevermind the travesty introduced today) is absolutely minimal. Seriously, just stop defending them on this one. They f'ed up.
 
The reason they're sticking with a 5400 RPM mechanical HDD is because they're bounded by both cost and minimum capacity. A 1TB HDD at retail costs about $50. A 1TB SSD at retail is in the neighborhood of $350. If they replaced the 1TB HDD for a 1TB SSD, prices would go up quite a bit ("LOL APPLE SO OVERPRICED"). If they replace the 1TB HDD with something more comparable in price, like a 256GB SSD they'll likewise be criticized heavily ("WTF APPLE WHY YOU TAKE AWAY MY GIGS IT'S 2015 WE NEED 1TB AT LEAST").

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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