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New iMac G5 Announced

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Little Endian said:
umm... it does matter when your are trying to backup your User Folder that is OVer 20GB. It does matter when burning with DVD's a 4X DVD Burn takes like 15 minutes and 8X burner takes about 8 Minutes and newly Released 16X DVD+/-R drives can Burn DVDs in about 5 minutes. I also hope you are aware that 8.5GB dual Layer Drives are also becoming the norm. Folks like you are the same guys who used to say who needs anything more than a 400K Floppy drive when 1.44MB floppies were becoming the norm. Bottom line is it does matter, it may not seem that big of a deal now but wait a year or two.
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External Firewire hard drive is probably a better solution for you. Unless you have 20GB of unique video footage everyday, then the iMac is not what you want.

I think most will agree that the days of burning optical disk is almost over. I can't think of a reason to burn one now. I can see small business burning DVDs for sale or if you want to send you mom and dad videos. Faster internet will probably make both of these options obsolete.

Chomo
 
Copyright 2003

If you go to the iMac section and click the link that says "Take a closer look in the gallery", all of the images have "© Copyright 2003" on them! Have these been around this long?! Amazing!

Also, the BIG images are a lot bigger than they look if you download them. They're really 1440 x 900 instead of the what they look like (roughly 720 x 460) -- perfect for desktops.
 

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AidenShaw said:
But the G3, the G4, and the Pentiums all do full native 64-bit floating point today. (As well as 128-bit SIMD....)

The only new thing that the G5 brings to the math picture is native support for 64-bit integers. All the 32-bit systems support 64-bit integer arithmetic, but it's a bit slower due to the need to do at least two 32-bit operations to do a 64-bit operation.

Fortunately, few programs use 64-bit integers heavily, so by itself 64-bit integers aren't a big reason to move to a 64-bit processor except for some rare applications.
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But anyway, I was using "64-bit OS" in the usual sense of an operating system that provides 64-bit virtual addressing to user processes.

There's little point in putting a 64-bit OS on a 2 GiB machine, the main 64-bit advantage of large user memory space cannot be utilized.

As for the libraries, there are several factors to take into consideration.

First, a "PPC970-optimized" library can be completely 32-bit in addressing and integer operations.

Or, it could be completely 32-bit in addressing yet have 64-bit integer math when needed (and of course, it could not use the 64-bit math on a 32-bit machine - so you'd need separate libraries or some form of fat binary).

Finally, the library could be true 64-bit - using both 64-bit addressing and 64-bit integer math. Of course this doesn't exist today - OS X does not have 64-bit virtual addressing.
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one of the things to remember, the G5's obviously support canonical doublewords (Longwords in Alpha Speak). That is how a 32 bit OS runs on a
64 Bit pointer machine. NT used to do this on the Dec Alpha back in 1993. Advantages:

64 bit datatypes without needing to double pump.

For a home machine, plenty of power

Now, putting a 64 bit OS on it:

Takes up more space, since you actually storing 64 bit pointers, vs. simple
sign extension of the 32 bit pointer (canonical support). So more memory is used for pointer storage :)

Avantages:
Databases love big VM space, and 4 terabytes would do quite nice on a large database.

Although not needed for a home computer.

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Ok,

Given what was announced, I like it with a G5. It is not easy putting a
highly heat dissipating CPU in a small enclosure like that. My hats off to the design team. I am not easily impressed, and coming from a systems design background, I am fairly critical. I would agree that Aluminum would have been awesome, visually, but hey, they did a nice job. get the TIFF of the inside. Very impressive.

I will get a 20" one for the house, and use it as the digital center. Then my kid can use the older 17" dome iMac to play Harry Potter, and not have me interrupting him just to start the Eyehome server ;)
:)
 
New minis?

Of course Phil S. was pretty nervous and I can understand, but coming from an apple member it's pretty silly to say that the iPod mini has 5 GB drive...
 
G4 Cube Upgrade?

The new iMac G5 for the price is stunning. Consider the Cube. Low end $1899. No screen. I think Apple has learned from that. So... G5 iMac starts at $1299 and ends at $1899. (without extra stuff, yes I paid $200 for GIGE in my Cube). So it's quite simple. To keep my Cube more expensive (not that the high end one with extras in it wasn't more expensive, it's a principle) I need to update my now aging nVidia GeForce 3 with an ATI 9800 Special Edition 256 MB VRAM board. Yes, that's it. Now surely I will have spent more on the Cube than on the iMac... Muahahahahaha! Yes I can make it fit. No, I'm not afraid of heat. 27 Degrees Celsius is nothing compared to the average over-clocked water cooled tricked out neon of a PC at 57 Degrees Celsius.

More seriously though it is a dilemma. I would enjoy the new iMac simply for form and grace. A blue tooth module internal... A VESA mounting clipping it to a wall, wireless mouse and keyboard. G5 even? Mount a Tower on the wall... For the same price. Though I can't help but see how much is in the iMac G5 and look back to the 20th Anniversary Mac. So much innovation case-wise, so little technology actually in it. Upright 3200 Laptop. That's it, well save for the Boss 5 speaker Acustimass that was fit into it and leather wrapped keyboard. Unlike the TAM, the iMac has the power of the G5 in a consumer implementation that surpasses the fastest G4. 167 MHz motherboard to what the low end of 533 MHz? The Dual 1.42 G4 cost how much?

Anyone who recognizes the iPod will recognize the iMac as the same family. The iMac is Apple innovation incarnate. Beautiful or Ugly.

I will need to get the 9800 though... The Borg Cube is upset with this new development and must remain more expensive than the iMac. Resistance is Futile.
 
i think it's good that they say "from the creators of iPod"... cause maybe it will convince some windows users that the new iMac is another consumer electronic
 
Seven pages down...

Well, twenty-seven pages later, I'll throw in my two bits since nobody is reading. It's what I was expecting given the rumors, but I actually think this is the wrong direction.

Nice computer.

While this is a great first computer for first time user, or second computer for a regular user, I don't think it makes a good first computer for a regular user. I believe a regular user is worried about having to upgrade a monitor and a computer at the same time and to plunk down the cost for both, when they probably already have a workable CRT or LCD around makes it less attractive. Also if that is true now, then how about later when the iMac G5 gets outdated? Consciously or unconsciously they're looking at being forced to throw out the baby with the bath water x years down the road.

I think the all-in-one consumer desktop is one market, and a low-cost desktop sans-monitor may be an entirely different market.

For instance, I believe know friends who will be thinking that $1300 is too much to spend for their parents when they have a perfectly good monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. lying around. But those people would like to switch their parents to Mac OS X because of the "would be perfect for them" bundled software and operating system.

I'm sure there are a lot of other niches like that where Apple's current offering doesn't hold water.

And eBay or Craigslist just doesn't cover the slack. Mac's hold value too well.

And if you'd say that such a beast would cannibalize pro tower sales (doesn't have to if it's like a single process G4 with no expandability) or iMac G5 sales, then I'd have to ask, what is Apple so afraid of that they have to sell low-cost Macs only as value meal deals?
 
Is it expandable at all

I know its not that important, but can it be expanded at all? How much memory etc. Can the hard drive be changed out fairly easily. Just wanted to know.
 
I love it!

This is the Mac I've been waiting for. It doesn't take up any space, it's got plenty of horsepower, and the price is right. I have always thought the G4 iMac was one of the ugliest things I had ever seen, this is a big improvement IMO. The graphics card may suck for gamers/video people, but there are plenty of people like myself that never do that sort of thing. Internet, word processing, itunes, and maybe a statistical package is all I need it for.
The one thing that would be nice is if we could watch TV on it, wouldn't that fit the whole "digital lifestyle" product idea? I'll be getting one of these soon, hopefully by the end of the year.

Isaac
 
adam1185 said:
Uhhh CNBC just said the new iMacs ship mid december...I think they made a mistake!
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Heh. Somebody on their writing staff is probably waiting for their dual 2.5 that was supposed to ship in July...
 
If this ugly thing with is crap gfx card is bang up to date, then I may as well not hold out waiting for a PB revision..and if 5200 is the best they can offer then what will we get in January.. another steam powered 5xxx card..? I actually like how the PB looks like now, and I noticed this trend:

Old iMac better looking than new iMac

3G iPod more attractive than 4G iPod

Current PB............

HMMMMMMM
 
I feel a PB G5 around the corner!
if they could do a 2inch imac than a pb 1 to 1.5 inch G5, dual
is next

:D
 
nmk said:
Nice looking machine except, as with all iMacs, the GPU sucks.
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Based on what standard? What, the rest of the computing industry who are focusing on building great gaming machines? Besides games, when is a consumer-level machine going to get pushed to the limits of the GPU's capability?

Personally, I love the fact that demands on the PC-side of the market have pushed computer makers to build incredibly powerful machines with screaming GPUs. Why? So folks at home can surf the internet, write a letter or two, create a clip art greeting card, remove red-eye from their vacation photos and play hours of GPU HOGGING FRAME RATE SPEWING BLOOD SPLAYING DOOM!

Give a monkey a gun and he'll use it as a club.
 
4G iPod is much nicer looking than 3G but that's neither here nor there

the new iMac will be a grower

it's a consumer workstation so quit whining about the GPU

look what you're getting within a 2 inch deep display! starting at a VERY competitive price point.

want better graphics, more this and more that, get a PowerMac
 
One has to love how posters here want HIGH END features on a mid ranged computer.

Dual Layer DVD
8 Gigs of DDR400 dual channel RAM
250-500 Gigs of HDD
128-256 Video Card
Dual 2.5GHz G5 processors


^ Alrighty some of those listed were in mockery :-D

People this is revA, when Dual Layer DVD burners reach the low end and mid end market it will come to the iMac.

If you have needs for high end features you need a PM, something tells me you want the best and high end features for the price of a Dull. <--people are always going to cry about something, get over it.

Be happy that its Finally released LOL.

Actually they can also improve on the Stand by adding a movable bend that connects the arm and the base that was it has a double joint and more in transition with the iMac G4 system...and stop the complaints of the people who suffer neack injuries.
 
Are there any pictures out there with the new iMac mounted on the wall with the VESA wall mounts (or even pics of the new displays on a wall for that matter)
 
ART5000 said:
I feel a PB G5 around the corner!
if they could do a 2inch imac than a pb 1 to 1.5 inch G5, dual
is next

:D
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Definitely - I'll be surprised if it's not introduced at MWSF. Although . . . I did kinda like the idea of the PBG4 Extreme (dual core G4 at high-clock speed - if that chip ever was intended for the PB).

One way or another - my bet is MWSF = new powerbook.
 
bentmywookie said:
Definitely - I'll be surprised if it's not introduced at MWSF. Although . . . I did kinda like the idea of the PBG4 Extreme (dual core G4 at high-clock speed - if that chip ever was intended for the PB).

One way or another - my bet is MWSF = new powerbook.
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Finally "Year of the Laptops" ;-) :-D


Time to put this 5 year old PowerBook to rest :-D
 
adam1185 said:
Are there any pictures out there with the new iMac mounted on the wall with the VESA wall mounts (or even pics of the new displays on a wall for that matter)
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Not that I've seen - although, of course, it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to figure out how it would look. ;)
 
JLS said:
If this ugly thing with is crap gfx card is bang up to date, then I may as well not hold out waiting for a PB revision..and if 5200 is the best they can offer then what will we get in January.. another steam powered 5xxx card..? I actually like how the PB looks like now, and I noticed this trend:

Old iMac better looking than new iMac

3G iPod more attractive than 4G iPod

Current PB............

HMMMMMMM
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Look here the new iMac looks WAY better than the previous two, and stop complaining; the price point is really good and for a consumer model this comp is damn Good!

Peace
DjVoTeZ
 
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