New iMac G5 Announced
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Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
wcj912 said:
On #1, that is open to much debate. More is always better. At least it should have been a BTO.
On # 2, I totally agree. Despite what some may say about OSX, consumers look for 512mb RAM.
Your other two points can be debated till the cows come home, and no one will ever agree.
FightTheFuture
macrumors 68000
design and aluminum displays
i had to install all of the new aluminum 23" displays for the after effects guys at work. just staring at them made me green with envy. the stand is mind-boggling and it opened up so much desk real estate for them to work. eventually they are just floating and the work on screen are all that matter.
hopefully the imac G5 will fold into that. simplify, minimize, consolidate. everything is right there and you can get your work done seamlessly. i can see this being a big hit. but i thought the imac G4 would be too.
btw. this has got to be the most pages i've ever seen on a topic in here before.
i had to install all of the new aluminum 23" displays for the after effects guys at work. just staring at them made me green with envy. the stand is mind-boggling and it opened up so much desk real estate for them to work. eventually they are just floating and the work on screen are all that matter.
hopefully the imac G5 will fold into that. simplify, minimize, consolidate. everything is right there and you can get your work done seamlessly. i can see this being a big hit. but i thought the imac G4 would be too.
btw. this has got to be the most pages i've ever seen on a topic in here before.
Trekkie
macrumors 6502a
Ok I'm at page 6 and I'm tired of responding. The bitching and moaning about the 64MB of video ram...good night people.
last time I checked video ram did one thing, allow you to display more and more resolution with more and more colors per pixel.
on the 17 I get a max resolution of 1440x900 and on the 20 I get 1680x1050 in 16:10 mode.
doing a quick google on 5200 FX 64MB I get a max resolution of 2048x1536 at 32bpp.
So with the video on the FX card the VRAM in it is just fine.
Now I'm not going to argue on the performance side, haven't seen a 5200 in action but my human eye won't notice much over 24 fps.
And if you have macrumors newbie under your name and post something about how ugly it is, stupid, expensive, or whatever you're nothing but a troll in my book
last time I checked video ram did one thing, allow you to display more and more resolution with more and more colors per pixel.
on the 17 I get a max resolution of 1440x900 and on the 20 I get 1680x1050 in 16:10 mode.
doing a quick google on 5200 FX 64MB I get a max resolution of 2048x1536 at 32bpp.
So with the video on the FX card the VRAM in it is just fine.
Now I'm not going to argue on the performance side, haven't seen a 5200 in action but my human eye won't notice much over 24 fps.
And if you have macrumors newbie under your name and post something about how ugly it is, stupid, expensive, or whatever you're nothing but a troll in my book
Flying Llama
macrumors 6502a
I'm actually a little happy that the minimum ram is 256. Apple RAM is way overpriced. I can get much cheaper ram at macsolutions. If the minimum RAM was 512, they would have raised the price a lot. Instead, I can save!
alexf
macrumors 6502a
vga4life said:
OK, I do see your point, and I'm even willing to admit that it's a good one.
Yet I still don't see any problem with having the 5200 in the iMacs, as this graphics card is probably sufficient for what 90% of all iMac owners will use it for within the next couple of years (although an option to upgrade on the high end model would be appropriate).
Now if we could just get the 5200 out of the PowerMacs - that is a different story...
alexf
macrumors 6502a
Flying Llama said:I'm actually a little happy that the minimum ram is 256. Apple RAM is way overpriced. I can get much cheaper ram at macsolutions. If the minimum RAM was 512, they would have raised the price a lot. Instead, I can save!
Yes, I even think that Apple should give customers the option of buying computers with no memory.
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
amberashby said:
There were a couple of renderings that I thought made much more sense....
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
g4tom said:Everybody makes one of these, everybody! Granted the new iMac G5 looks better than the rest. I would have to agrree with some comments, Yes the video card is less than adequate, minimal RAM, small hard drive. Here is a pict of the simillar product from Gateway, but it has 120gb hd, 128mb video, 512 ram, built in tivo, and sells for 500$ less
And in many ways that is where the voices are coming from. The "old" iMac was able to hold it's own against the the others. This one seems to be more of the same to many. A bit better, but yards ahead, no....
bar italia
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Does your 90% figure include the people who will refuse to an iMac because of the sub-par video card?alexf said:
It's the same argument people use when defending the 5200 -- "It's not a big deal because the iMac isn't for gaming". The reason the iMac isn't for gaming is because of the lousy card.
And, if the iMac isn't meant for gaming, what excuse does Apple have for telling potential customers the following (from apple.com):
Extreme Graphics
The sizzling graphics processor and next-generation high-bandwidth architecture kicks 3D games and graphics into high gear, with three times the frame rate as the previous iMac in Unreal Tournament 2004. NVIDIA graphics provides hardware transform and lighting (T&L), per-pixel shading and drop-dead gorgeous effects at high resolutions. All models deliver over a billion textured pixels per second and an advanced Live FX engine engineered to generate the most lifelike characters. With Quartz Extreme, the graphics processors take over transform and lighting calculation functions from the CPU, freeing the G5 processor to perform essential system tasks faster than ever before.
Are you kidding? "with three times the frame rate as the previous iMac"?
3 x **** still equals ****.
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
JW Pepper said:
The lack of FW800 is one big down fall IMO
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
bigjohn said:I'm not a gamer so the graphics card matters very little, however I was ready to buy the 20" iMac until I saw that it only has a 4x DVDr. Sure I could add an external drive down the road, but I shouldn't have to (and it'd only be USB2 not FW800). With 16x DVDr and 4-8x DL DVDR (dual-layer) already out - just doesn't seem like they pay attention to the details too much. Weak. And you have to ADD Airport and Bluetooth. Weak.
Waiting for Rev. B and C...
John
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iBook G3 600, iMac G3 400
3 Tivos, 20GB iPod,
LA-area Emmy
Same here, and it it will probably come with Tiger at that point.....
Mechcozmo
macrumors 603
Hey, its better than 32. Now, yes I'd like to see 128MB. But I've got a PowerBook and that 64MB of graphics card memory holds its own against a lot of other computers. Most other laptops, BTW, use shared memory (sharing main memory and processor time). The iMac G5 is like a big laptop, sort of. It is a small computer, and laptop technology was used in its making I bet.
takao
macrumors 68040
Chip NoVaMac said:
sadly .. i think that sums it up
i guess it will end like that:
those who already owned macs before will buy them
those who are on the x86 side and interested in macs will wait for a better one (most of them are enthusiasts and not joe average)
and those on the x86 side who aren't interested haven't even noticed that apple released something new
at least it will happen like this over here....
but at least there is hope with that good introduction video which have been linked in an other thread... i hope they show that on TV ...at least in the US
Blah Blah Blah
People buy macs for 5 simple reasons:
Simplicity
Elegance
Stlye
Ease of use
Power
People like me are willing to pay a premium for these qualities. I have friends with PCs that aren't working well most of the time. The one I use at work is in the service dept as I type. I have had my imac g3 for 3 years now and HAVE NEVER HAD A CRASH OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM. Wow.. I know no PC user who can say the same.
This is a consumer machine. Apple has very specific demographics.
My point is that this new mac is for people like me. It is beautifully simple, elegant and does the job supremely well. Now I know there are a lot of gamers here, but you are not Apple's target demographic. 95% of people want to be able to run office, make an imovie or two, store their digital music/photos, read email and surf the porn (I mean NET lol Look at all their marketing for the last 5 years - few if any references to gaming. The graphics card is good enough for joe consumer. Now if you aren't Joe consumer, buy a power mac and blow them all away.
I am buying one of these imacs cause I think they are beautiful simple and elegant and my g3 after 3 years and running OSX is getting a little slow.
People buy macs for 5 simple reasons:
Simplicity
Elegance
Stlye
Ease of use
Power
People like me are willing to pay a premium for these qualities. I have friends with PCs that aren't working well most of the time. The one I use at work is in the service dept as I type. I have had my imac g3 for 3 years now and HAVE NEVER HAD A CRASH OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM. Wow.. I know no PC user who can say the same.
This is a consumer machine. Apple has very specific demographics.
My point is that this new mac is for people like me. It is beautifully simple, elegant and does the job supremely well. Now I know there are a lot of gamers here, but you are not Apple's target demographic. 95% of people want to be able to run office, make an imovie or two, store their digital music/photos, read email and surf the porn (I mean NET lol
Look at all their marketing for the last 5 years - few if any references to gaming. The graphics card is good enough for joe consumer. Now if you aren't Joe consumer, buy a power mac and blow them all away. I am buying one of these imacs cause I think they are beautiful simple and elegant and my g3 after 3 years and running OSX is getting a little slow.
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
CholEoptera36 said:
Nice ports
So I'm guessing this will keep most of your external devices on the right side of the desk, or behind the LCD?
I personally like to see some sort of dock device. On my PB, I am tired of unplugging the cords. Maybe something from HP"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/...l&page=home&site=main&product_code=DL516A#ABA
Would be nice for Apple....
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slughead
macrumors 68040
Trekkie said:
Yeah, and hold more data in there at a time. For instance, when you load a game, the textures are kept sometimes in the VRam, the more VRAM you have, the more textures you can hold there at one time, and the more detailed they can be.
In non-gaming, Apple has tried to make it abundantly clear that video RAM and performance will increase the overall functionality of even non-gaming applications. For instance, you saw that Core Audio/Video demo of tiger? It may have seemed boring UNLESS you factor in that ALL the processing power was coming from the GPU!! Soon, rendering effects in iMovie and whatnot will additionally if not exclusively use the GPU.
Trekkie said:
Yeah, fine to just simply RUN that resolution. If you want to use the power after that to do something else, you're up a creek!
Trekkie said:
Well, look who's the scientist all of a sudden.
Since you know so much about the human eye, perhaps you can tell me how you can see a flashbulb--since it would almost definitely happen between "frames".
The answer is you can "see" sort of in between frames. If you were running a game at 24 FPS.. you'd notice. 30FPS.. you'd notice. I actually spotted the difference between 100 and 120FPS simply because the eye can't decipher the whole frame, but it can see the "chunks".
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
pounce said:
To be honest there are many of us that don't need PCI slots. I have had my PB 12" since Dec. of last year. NEVER lamented the lack of slots.
takao
macrumors 68040
Samiam1 said:
some might argue that reason 1 and 4 are the same and that reason 2 and 3 sound similiar as well
SCNR
me neither (me included)...but i don't know a mac user (outside of this forum) either...Samiam1 said:
but i can say i had more problems and reinstalls with linux(3-4) than with windows(0) in the last 2 years...
Samiam1 said:This is a consumer machine. Apple has very specific demographics.
My point is that this new mac is for people like me. It is beautifully simple, elegant and does the job supremely well. Now I know there are a lot of gamers here, but you are not Apple's target demographic. 95% of people want to be able to run office, make an imovie or two, store their digital music/photos, read email and surf the porn (I mean NET lol
you forgot the kids/teenagers.... how many people in this 95% group have kids who want to game ?
i was the one deciding what PC to buy for the family, when i was 15... because i was the one who would use the PC the most...
Samiam1 said:
i'm going to wait 'till 2005 for any updates (even if apple would release a head less less than 1000$ pc tommorow)
joeboy_45101
macrumors 6502
I love this new iMac. My only complaint is that the graphics card totally sucks. Other than that this is freakin' great. I didn't think they could ever outdo the iMac G4, shows how much I know. I can't wait to try one of these out at the AppleStore.
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
nagromme said:Every PC maker lists ALL ports in the specs, whether a vital peripheral (mouse, display) uses them up or not. So Apple listing 5 USB ports is fair.
Even a G4 will
Lots of those exist for your VESA-standard iMac
http://www.2iq.co.uk/prodpage.asp?ProdID=7
http://ergonomics.comrac.co.uk/main.asp?pid=20
I bet you can get a small quick-release unit that fits BETWEEN the unit and any VESA mount, too. And I bet someone soon makes one to let you use the iMac's own foot the same way.
(You'll find the Apple iMac VESA bracket under Accessories.)
Different. Everything will affect sound--the stuff on your desk, what it's made of, or the choice to wall mount. If you want the best sound, you'll always want external speakers or a full stereo system. Even surround sound: the iMac outputs 5.1 digital optical audio.
To the average person, VESA offers many opportunitinities
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i can't believe all the complaining about the graphics card. Did any of you actually think Apple never consiidered this? Jesus Christ! Do you have any clue what sort of research goes into launching a product that was in RD over a freakin year! Most people who buy this machine have no freakin use for a 128 card!! i guarantee it!! this is a desktop for people who want to use Word, Internet and listen to Music (64mb gpu in fact is overkill for this). it is for highs school kids who can't be trusted with a $3000 PM!!! Let me be clear - it is not a gd gaming machine, it isn't suppose to be close in performance to one, it will never be one!! There will never be a high end graphic card in a mac! (If you haven't learned this after six bloody years of the machines, maybe you never will) Apple has no incentive to put a more expensive card into the gd machine! Would you people either get over it or get a Powermac???
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