You are not welcome!!, no-one here knows for sure what form factor the Imac will have, Apple has suprised us before, have they not, so I thought it was alright and okay to speculate, without being called a crack head, apparently you dont think so. Maybe we should call this site "Macfacts" for the "Know it alls that know exactly what Apple will and will not do" instead.iGary said:
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FelixDerKater said:
Yepp, and how many overpriced, outdated iMacs would the AppleStore have sold ?
This will surely boost portable sales which are the hottest candidates anyway.
Plus, *knowing* that there will be *new* iMacs in September, some may well hold back...
What's the big deal then. Gosh, sometimes it feels like Mac aficionados will whine about anything.
What exactly is apple selling right NOW?
Old G5 running out of stock
New G5 not shipping
Old iMac out of stock
New iMac not yet announced
Old Displays, inventory dwindling, promotions ended
New displays not shipping
Panther certainly avaiable but upgrades from 10.2 must pretty much be over, and Tiger is where excitment and focus is - but that's not shipping for a long time.
So - what is currently generating revenu for Apple - iPods? They must all be in one big hurry!!!!
Old G5 running out of stock
New G5 not shipping
Old iMac out of stock
New iMac not yet announced
Old Displays, inventory dwindling, promotions ended
New displays not shipping
Panther certainly avaiable but upgrades from 10.2 must pretty much be over, and Tiger is where excitment and focus is - but that's not shipping for a long time.
So - what is currently generating revenu for Apple - iPods? They must all be in one big hurry!!!!
Isn't it obvious?
Geez guys, look at the signs. Steve shows off his new "30 display, then he searches for both iMac and birthday. Based on my super-human skills in deduction, I can assure you all that we will be getting a 30th Anniversery iMac with a "30 lcd. Being that date is a cozy little 10 years off, I think it is safe to assume that there will be a G5 in it, but I can't guarantee that much.
Geez guys, look at the signs. Steve shows off his new "30 display, then he searches for both iMac and birthday. Based on my super-human skills in deduction, I can assure you all that we will be getting a 30th Anniversery iMac with a "30 lcd. Being that date is a cozy little 10 years off, I think it is safe to assume that there will be a G5 in it, but I can't guarantee that much.
MikeLaRiviere said:
The Athlon FXs are Opterons. The FX-53 is the consumer version of the Opteron 150.
thatwendigo said:
I can imagine a grown adult squeezed into an iBook chassis wouldn't be a pretty sight at all. Did you need to remove the optical drive or the battery to fit in there, or were you able to squeeze yourself in with all the components in place? How warm does it get with the machine running?
CholEoptera36 said:wow someone that agree's with me that Apple should lean toward AMD! It's rare cause like Apple, AMD is an underdog to Intel in the PC world but still has better products. I do agree too that the G5 shouldn't have been in the desktop catagory, it leads on a lot of confusion to some people about what the computer is meant for. I do think AMD chips would make a better chip in Powerbooks, iBooks, and iMacs then the IBM chips though
The AMD 64 was developed to have professional, consumer, and mobile lines from the beginning. The 970 is a pure server/workstation chip. The funny thing is that for all intensive purposes the AMD-64 line are IBM chips. AMD's design team for the processors was located at Fishkill so they'd have easy access to the team that was working on the 970. In many ways the K7 (Athlon/ Duron) & K8 (AMD64) processors are closer to PowerPCs then they are Intel's chips.
oingoboingo said:
There's always a smart-ass in the crowd... ...and usually it's me, what's going on here?
BornAgainMac said:
I'm for that... Could be a screen shot by way of Photoshop on it's way soon...
mactarkus said:
You know, you really should have bought more Apple products, dude. I mean, like, you only had ONE of each?
Apple Computer said:
There are some things which disturb me about this announcement. First, it means that we have a "left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" factor going on. This concerns me because it leads me to believe there are managers and workers who might be more divided and distracted than I would like. And yes, I think some heads probably should roll over this. Someone else here can do the numbers, but I think it's pretty obvious were're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses between now and whenever the next generation iMacs are available. It also generates an enormous amount of customer ill-will.
Second, companies with any intelligence do not go around admitting they goofed. I'm surprised that Apple's legal department let this wording get to the site. This has nothing to do with honesty: it has everything to do with exposure to legal actions and the liabilities associated therewith.
Third, it makes Apple seem weak. Undoubtedly, there is the usual "Apple can't plan it's way out of a box" stuff. This just works against Apple universally. It's not a matter of Apple having made a mistake. This is the kind of thing that can snowball really quick. What happens when some account that Apple might have been going after looks at this and says "Well, if it happened on their iMac line, why couldn't it happen on their XServe line?"
This also is a way to give competition a head-start on timing their product releases.
The other thing it does is, to the extent that there are still iMacs out there to be had, their value just dropped, which means there are some dealers now left holding the bag. Why buy one of these units when you can wait to get a newer, better system? And for pricing, why pay full retail for what is now an "obsolete" product?
One of my co-workers suggests there may be some retirements or resignations for what he calls "family concerns", meaning there will be no direct admission that this was the cause. Nope, this wouldn't surprise me in the least.
CholEoptera36 said:
The Athlon64-FX is an Opteron with ccNUMA disabled. Literally an Opteron 1xx series chip (which apparently has already been relegated to the Opteron graveyard for obvious reasons).
For single-threaded workloads on a dual processor Opteron system, one would generally expect the FX chips to be slightly faster because of the ccNUMA overhead that the Opteron has but can't exploit for the purposes of the benchmark. It really depends on the kinds of benchmark you are running.
Perhaps( I didn't read all posts)
that this is a ploy by Apple to pressure their suppliers. Like IBM, perhaps to get more 970FX out
that this is a ploy by Apple to pressure their suppliers. Like IBM, perhaps to get more 970FX out
I can't buy a new desktop until sometime in the winter when I get back from this hell hole called Iraq, so I just sit back in my tent and enjoy my Powerbook G4 and watch everything from the side-lines. I know there will be a new iMac to purchase when I am finally back home. I bought this Powerbook in Feb. a few days before I flew overseas with my unit and I bought my mom and dad a new eMac in March so we could keep in touch so I am all spent out on Apple products for this calendar year. Oh by the way my mom love her eMac 1Ghz Combo. She is 62 years old and never used a computer in her life before March of this year and I get emails from her daily, mail her iPhoto CD's, and my brother and sister in law just got her and Dad a new Kodak Easy Share camera and now they are into digital photography. I know my parents well and that is one thing I can honestly say, I would have NEVER bought them anything but a Mac. The Apple dealer was great, giving them free classes. Applecare has gave great support. Last, she asks my sister for help once in awhile, but she is doing really good on it. That is what Apple, and especially the eMac/iMac are all about, being simple. Whatever Steve comes up with, it will be simple, look great and work very well. Something everyone can appreciate.
Abercrombieboy said:
I have told some older relatives of mine that they should consider buying a computer. They know other relatives of mine who have computers and enjoy using them to play games on them, and send email to their grandchildren, etc. I keep telling them that you can buy a new computer for a very reasonable price, such as a new eMac for $799. But they still have this misconception that a new computer costs a couple thousand dollars. I just think it would be great to see someone learning how to use a computer for the first time.
Stay safe over in Iraq, and thank you for your military duties.
G4 or G5? That's the question
So will the new iMac feature a G4 or a G5? There are good reasons for both options:
G4:
-Cheaper in engineering because the G4 doesn't run as hot and they could use the same components as in the old form factor. This should result in a lower resale price as well. We know that one reason why the flat screen never sold as well as the G3 iMac was its price tag.
-At speeds of 1.5 GHz or above, it would be fast enough for most consumers at whom the iMac is targeted
-The G4 will be around for some time regardless of the question if the iMac goes G5 soon or not (i.e eMac, iBooks and perhpas PowerBooks for some time, too), therefore there is no pressure on Apple to iniate the transition of all their products to the G5 now.
G5:
-New iMac design will be around for at least two years, so if Apple releases a new G4 iMac, we won't see the G5 in an iMac for the next couple of years. (They could engineer the case of the iMac for use of G4s and G5s, but they won't do that for marketing reasons, when they introduce the G5 iMac, they wanttit to be an all new design and not just a speed bump with the same design.)
- The G5 will be the future and Tiger will take even more advantage of 64 Bit.
- A G5 iMac would probably sell much better than a new G4 design, if the price is right.
- PowerBook G5, if Apple wants to introduce a PB G5 in the not too distant future (no doubt about that's what Apple plans), they have to start adjusting the G5 for use in smaller computers than PMs and Xserves. The G5 which doesn' t have to be portable and won't run on battery, would be the right start for that task.
- All dual PM line-up, now that all PMs are duals, Apple could use all the cpus rated below 1.8 Ghz for the iMac, they could sell iMacs at 1.6 GHz (or even 1.4 GHz).
All those reasons taking into consideration, my guess is that the new iMac will be G5. I can hardly see a G4 machine selling well enough in two years time, unless it will miraculously run at 3+ GHz by then.
So will the new iMac feature a G4 or a G5? There are good reasons for both options:
G4:
-Cheaper in engineering because the G4 doesn't run as hot and they could use the same components as in the old form factor. This should result in a lower resale price as well. We know that one reason why the flat screen never sold as well as the G3 iMac was its price tag.
-At speeds of 1.5 GHz or above, it would be fast enough for most consumers at whom the iMac is targeted
-The G4 will be around for some time regardless of the question if the iMac goes G5 soon or not (i.e eMac, iBooks and perhpas PowerBooks for some time, too), therefore there is no pressure on Apple to iniate the transition of all their products to the G5 now.
G5:
-New iMac design will be around for at least two years, so if Apple releases a new G4 iMac, we won't see the G5 in an iMac for the next couple of years. (They could engineer the case of the iMac for use of G4s and G5s, but they won't do that for marketing reasons, when they introduce the G5 iMac, they wanttit to be an all new design and not just a speed bump with the same design.)
- The G5 will be the future and Tiger will take even more advantage of 64 Bit.
- A G5 iMac would probably sell much better than a new G4 design, if the price is right.
- PowerBook G5, if Apple wants to introduce a PB G5 in the not too distant future (no doubt about that's what Apple plans), they have to start adjusting the G5 for use in smaller computers than PMs and Xserves. The G5 which doesn' t have to be portable and won't run on battery, would be the right start for that task.
- All dual PM line-up, now that all PMs are duals, Apple could use all the cpus rated below 1.8 Ghz for the iMac, they could sell iMacs at 1.6 GHz (or even 1.4 GHz).
All those reasons taking into consideration, my guess is that the new iMac will be G5. I can hardly see a G4 machine selling well enough in two years time, unless it will miraculously run at 3+ GHz by then.
daveg5 said:
Logic A) The whole point of an iMac is that it's integrated. Everything's inside, and the average user needs nothing outside of the iMac, except possibly a printer, and with the LCD iMacs, probably external speakers. If the iMacs are without displays, what, then, is the diffrence between them and another tower based Macintosh, minus the form factor? The "old" iMac was basically the same thing as a G4 tower in a small dome with a display thrown on it. If the display isn't there, then there goes the only thing that seperated the iMac from the G4 desktop. (Minus the ability to expand.)
Logic B) If you were going to choose between a G5 tower and a G5 "iMac" without a monitor and, I'm guessing, without much expandibility, what would you choose? The whole line would plummet because people don't want to pay $200 less for a smaller box when they can just get the normal G5 and have the conveniance of a tower and the expandability features.
Logic C) If the iMacs remain as they should, integrated with a display and speakers, then I highly doubt it will sport a G5.
Logic C.1) To get the motherboard behind the display, They'd have to make it much smaller. They could lose the PCI cards for one thing, though they might not want to, because the heatsink of the G5 would cause the depth of the screen/motherboard assembly to be that of your average bookshelf. Or, they could underclock or use slower G5's that didn't require such massive cooling.
Logic C.2) If they incorporate a horizontal box, oval, or other even minutely rectangular or flat shape that in any way resembles a PC desktop case, I'm going to projectile vomit into the screen and keyboard of my hp laptop, and sell it on eBay as "L@@K HeRe! KeNmOrE!!! WASHER/DRYER SET NEVER USED W0W!" Just for the hell of it.
Logic C.3) If they do a standing tower caselike design turned sideways with an arm sticking out of it, um... See C.2
Logic D) If they have a G4, then hell will freeze over, that is, if it's thawed from the last time this happened. Personally I wouldn't mind a G4 iMac in this next revision. Actually I'd like some model to have a G4 in it, so that I could convince my mom to buy said machine, (Hopefully it would be less expensive then the current, or whateveryou'dliketocallit, iMac line up.) without her going insane, to put lightly.
Disclaimer: This is all just what *I* think. I know I'm the only one that agrees with myself.
Wuhuu!!!
You sound very confident my freind
Well I for one are very thrilled about this.
Apple doing things very differently from what they use to. I think it's a good sign not, like someone pointed out, the apocalypse.
I hope to be present at the Apple Expo Paris to hear Stevie-boy introduce the newest new iMac... Oh and one other thing... The new iPod now has video ;-)
Peace out
the8088er said:
You sound very confident my freind
Well I for one are very thrilled about this.
Apple doing things very differently from what they use to. I think it's a good sign not, like someone pointed out, the apocalypse.
I hope to be present at the Apple Expo Paris to hear Stevie-boy introduce the newest new iMac... Oh and one other thing... The new iPod now has video ;-)
Peace out
I'd choose the non-expandable "iMac" without monitor, assuming there would be a much bigger than $200 difference.the8088er said:
I don't need expandablility, dual processors and all that unnecessary crap. All I want is a new affordable Mac to connect to my existing display. This is something Apple hasn't had for years.
Show me a new 1.5Ghz G4 or G5 box with a 120GB hard drive and 256MB of memory (or more) for about $1000 and I'll buy one. A dual tower at twice the price, I will not.
Maybe a fortuitous disaster for Apple
OK, Apple ran out of G4 iMacs before the G5 was ready to ship, much less show. Seems pretty likely that a delay in G5 iMac production is causing the gap, and that it is pretty embarrssing to Apple to have to put that message on their website.
For Apple, isn't there a bright side or two? Yes, they have no consumer desktop for a couple of months, but there are still plenty of eMacs to be had. Also, people who wanted a G4 iMac might alternately decide to go with either an iBook or a PowerBook. In either case, Apple moves some more of those soon-to-be-completely-outdated G4 processor Macs, clearing the way for the ultimate goal anyway - the complete transition of all computer products to the faster G5 processor.
OK, Apple ran out of G4 iMacs before the G5 was ready to ship, much less show. Seems pretty likely that a delay in G5 iMac production is causing the gap, and that it is pretty embarrssing to Apple to have to put that message on their website.
For Apple, isn't there a bright side or two? Yes, they have no consumer desktop for a couple of months, but there are still plenty of eMacs to be had. Also, people who wanted a G4 iMac might alternately decide to go with either an iBook or a PowerBook. In either case, Apple moves some more of those soon-to-be-completely-outdated G4 processor Macs, clearing the way for the ultimate goal anyway - the complete transition of all computer products to the faster G5 processor.