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I think people are bitching because they know that a new iMac is coming in September however they curiosity is getting ther better of them.
Since they have no clue what it looks like or what specs it is they are claiming its the end of the world for Apple and they have to close they doors with an OOB (out of business) sign.
LMAO they would not have stated the product "Official Announcment" on the site if they did not have it ready. They might just be building inventory of the new model so when its announced it can be delivered unlike the iPod MINI situation.
With this little gimmick Apple is getting press time and HYPE and they didn't even spend any money doing so FREE PUBLICITY. And when released there is going to be a hugh buzz since in 2-3 months word will get around and the Press is going to track this. What better way to celebrate the iMac's Birthday.
These issues with heat in regards to the G5 please Apple has engineers working on this issue for how many months its not like they were put on this project 2 months ago, they get paid to work out issues any other comment states that Apple Engineers don't know what the F they are doing these are the people that brough us the iMac lamp who know an issue with head is nothing big for this crowd. Its one G5 and just because the iMac Lamp had a hald dome base doesn't mean the iMac G5 has to follow in that foot step. THINK DIFFERENT.
Since they have no clue what it looks like or what specs it is they are claiming its the end of the world for Apple and they have to close they doors with an OOB (out of business) sign.
LMAO they would not have stated the product "Official Announcment" on the site if they did not have it ready. They might just be building inventory of the new model so when its announced it can be delivered unlike the iPod MINI situation.
With this little gimmick Apple is getting press time and HYPE and they didn't even spend any money doing so FREE PUBLICITY. And when released there is going to be a hugh buzz since in 2-3 months word will get around and the Press is going to track this. What better way to celebrate the iMac's Birthday.
These issues with heat in regards to the G5 please Apple has engineers working on this issue for how many months its not like they were put on this project 2 months ago, they get paid to work out issues any other comment states that Apple Engineers don't know what the F they are doing these are the people that brough us the iMac lamp who know an issue with head is nothing big for this crowd. Its one G5 and just because the iMac Lamp had a hald dome base doesn't mean the iMac G5 has to follow in that foot step. THINK DIFFERENT.
phantompigger said:
Spot on Phantom. If I remember correctly, the iMac flat panels were announced in January (missed Xmas) and not out til March. No peak buying seasons there. Also, the original iMac came out in August. Maybe they sold a few Norther Hemisphere back-to-schoolers...
But really, when is this mystical peak "holiday buying season"? Is it back to school? Is it Xmas? Or when? In Australia, I reckon the peak buying season is after tax returns!
Which means the iMac timing will be excellent.The form factor will be interesting. I reckon the current one is Steve's baby. He used it several times in slides at WWDC (but of course did the demos on PMs). If they change form factor I reckon SJ will be disappointed but it will have been forced on him by the G5. But I still think he will be reasonably stoked with the new form factor anyways. It's hard to imagine any form factor that could ever top the current iMac for revolutionariness. It's looking like the next iMac will be a more conservative and predictable form.
What i'd like if they go headless, would be something that looked like an appliance (like CD-DVD players) but in a narrow case (about 1.5" high), in either iPod white plastic or just brushed aluminum. And if they had wireless monitors, it could sit in your hifi cabinet, and your monitor, kbd and mouse could be anywhere... (of course that creates a problem when u want to change CDs!
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FACTS
1. Apple recently announced completely redesigned LCD displays -- EXCEPT for the 17" model, which looks like a VERY odd duck in the lineup. It is also still ADC, which is obviously something they are now moving away from.
2. Most people who buy Powermacs are power-users (folks on this board to the contrary), and most power users are buying LCDs larger than 17". Usually the 20", and more often than you'd think, the 23".
3. Apple has publicly stated, I believe it was during a recent earnings report or analyst call, that the iMac G4 IS priced too high for its intended market.
4. Unbeknownst to many, it seems as if eMacs are ALSO getting harder to find in the distribution channel.
5. Apple internally has always considered the eMacs and iMacs part of the same line. They are lumped together in earnings reports, etc.
Now I don't start rumors, but I would looooove to see, and would very likely buy:
A headless G5 Macintosh computer that takes the place of both the eMac and iMac, has available 15" and 17" displays that can be used by themselves with other computers, or with this hypothetical headless consumer/pro-sumer machine, starting at $699 or $799. DVI port w/ included VGA adapter, dual FW400, a single FW800, triple USB 2.0, Bluetooth, Airport Extreme. Maybe a single PCI slot, but who really needs it any more for a computer that is appealing to this market? Superdrive of course. Make sure the form factor is equally usable on a desk, OR, on your bookshelf next to your stereo components (it could be connected to your Apple LCD, acting as combo TV/computer monitor). Include Bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the box, so right off the bat, it makes sense to use this thing from a distance, if you want to.
For the folks who absolutely worship the current iMac w/ LCD-on-a-stick, have a "special edition" model that includes the arm, but with a STANDARD VESA MOUNT on the end so you can attach and use ANY of the Apple LCDs, 15" through 20", which will also be revealed at that time.
Wow. The picture I just painted for myself is so darn slick, I'm going to be peeved if it's NOT what comes out. It does make sense from marketing and economic points-of-view, and could be done at the price range I've specified. Maybe Apple would make a little less per unit, but I think by now they've realized you can still make a killing on a very high-demand product, if you can sell a ton of them. And come on, be honest: If this came out, as I've described, would you really NOT get one?
Btw, if I happen to have just spelled out exactly what ends up getting revealed in Sept., I DEMAND to be crowned KING OF MAC RUMORS.
1. Apple recently announced completely redesigned LCD displays -- EXCEPT for the 17" model, which looks like a VERY odd duck in the lineup. It is also still ADC, which is obviously something they are now moving away from.
2. Most people who buy Powermacs are power-users (folks on this board to the contrary), and most power users are buying LCDs larger than 17". Usually the 20", and more often than you'd think, the 23".
3. Apple has publicly stated, I believe it was during a recent earnings report or analyst call, that the iMac G4 IS priced too high for its intended market.
4. Unbeknownst to many, it seems as if eMacs are ALSO getting harder to find in the distribution channel.
5. Apple internally has always considered the eMacs and iMacs part of the same line. They are lumped together in earnings reports, etc.
Now I don't start rumors, but I would looooove to see, and would very likely buy:
A headless G5 Macintosh computer that takes the place of both the eMac and iMac, has available 15" and 17" displays that can be used by themselves with other computers, or with this hypothetical headless consumer/pro-sumer machine, starting at $699 or $799. DVI port w/ included VGA adapter, dual FW400, a single FW800, triple USB 2.0, Bluetooth, Airport Extreme. Maybe a single PCI slot, but who really needs it any more for a computer that is appealing to this market? Superdrive of course. Make sure the form factor is equally usable on a desk, OR, on your bookshelf next to your stereo components (it could be connected to your Apple LCD, acting as combo TV/computer monitor). Include Bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the box, so right off the bat, it makes sense to use this thing from a distance, if you want to.
For the folks who absolutely worship the current iMac w/ LCD-on-a-stick, have a "special edition" model that includes the arm, but with a STANDARD VESA MOUNT on the end so you can attach and use ANY of the Apple LCDs, 15" through 20", which will also be revealed at that time.
Wow. The picture I just painted for myself is so darn slick, I'm going to be peeved if it's NOT what comes out. It does make sense from marketing and economic points-of-view, and could be done at the price range I've specified. Maybe Apple would make a little less per unit, but I think by now they've realized you can still make a killing on a very high-demand product, if you can sell a ton of them. And come on, be honest: If this came out, as I've described, would you really NOT get one?
Btw, if I happen to have just spelled out exactly what ends up getting revealed in Sept., I DEMAND to be crowned KING OF MAC RUMORS.
X86? Are you joking? PPC is a great processor and for the most part Apple would loose 100% of their developers, everything would have to be rewritten.
Hardware compatiblity with PCs? Okay... PC and compatible are 2 words that dont go together, you can go out and buy your soundcards and your videocards, come back home and they wont work together or wont work on your OS...
AMD is the best brandin PC processors, I used to support them 100% when I was still using PCs, but I dont use PCs, I use a mac and dont want a PC... After all what would seperate a Mac from a PC if Apple went to x86?
If you can prove me wrong or present reasonable argument then go ahead.
Any chance a cMac??
What I'd REALLY like is an iMac that would genuinely compete in the corporate market as well as the prosumer market.
What I'd REALLY like is an iMac that would genuinely compete in the corporate market as well as the prosumer market.
For all the AEOWers...
For all those predicting the end of the world for Apple because of this screwup and drop in their share prices...
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9060
For all those predicting the end of the world for Apple because of this screwup and drop in their share prices...
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9060
point665 said:
It doesn't matter if you use PC's or Apple's cause it's still PC companies who make the hardware for Apple computers. (hardware comparison is what I'm talking about, I do understand the difference between PC platforms and Mac though...)
APPLE in reality is SOFTWARE. That's the major defining difference between the PC and apple PowerPC, the platforms...not the hardware. So what difference would it make to some to suggest that AMD should take the place of IBM in Macs? AMD doesn't have to necessarily be ONLY for PC's. Keep in mind Apple doesn't make the majority of their own hardware (ie. IBM makes the processors for Apple's computers, other PC companies also make the video cards, motherboards, hard drives, etc.).
Not saying Apple doesn't make ANY hardware at all... I believe they do have some of their technology in hardware, but not the bulk of what makes their machines run.
Here's another interesting point of view; PC doesn't = M$, you can have a Linux PC too... in fact you can have Linux and Windows on the same PC if ya want. AMD works great on BOTH platforms, from what I've seen around the net it's usually around 25% CPU performance increase due to the Linux 64-bit OS. So I hope nobody's attached AMD to M$ (not that I think you did that Point665, just checking with anyone else who relates the two). You see, you can support AMD processors no matter if you switched to Mac or not, or even Linux for that matter just like you have an Apple computer and support IBM for making their processor... The logic behind changing your mind about which processors are good based on what kind of computer you use isn't so great. I think that's what you're doing correct me if I'm wrong I'm not 100% if that's what you're saying?
I agree, AMD is the best brand in PC processing, and IBM is a PC company no matter if they sell the darn CPU's on a mac or not. AMD has the technology lead over all right now, not just in a Dell world my friend. Perhaps that's why not only Intel, but IBM will be using the multi-channel memorry that AMD has in their current processors in later developments. Consider the architectural designs of the processors they make, and how that would fit for a Mac world. This is not a PC vs. Mac issue unless you make it that way. If Apple ever felt that they were going to make an Apple processor this wouldn't even be an issue in this thread. (although that would be interesting)
probably a G5
It'll probably be a G5. A faster G4 would not require a re-tooling of the line. Couldn't they use the same design with the faster G4, if it was just a speed bump?
It'll probably be a G5. A faster G4 would not require a re-tooling of the line. Couldn't they use the same design with the faster G4, if it was just a speed bump?
Are you sure?
I don't know about the machine you quoted, but I just tried to build a $1300 machine with nothing at all special and it was a 3+ week wait until the ship date from Dell. Why? I've no idea. If you have any BTO components on a high end machine like that, I wonder if the ship date would really be much sooner than the G5 you quoted.
Michael Vance said:
I don't know about the machine you quoted, but I just tried to build a $1300 machine with nothing at all special and it was a 3+ week wait until the ship date from Dell. Why? I've no idea. If you have any BTO components on a high end machine like that, I wonder if the ship date would really be much sooner than the G5 you quoted.
iGary said:G5?
or 1.5 ghz G4?
You're such a pessimist. Come on, grab some hope and dream a little. 1.75 GHz G4
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Lets also point out that the PC users have Intel, AMD, IBM, SUN, and Crusoe (can't remember who makes that chip).
Apple on the other Hand has Motorola, and IBM. With Apple hoping to move all future Mac's on the IBM G5, etc PPC chips.
Granted that the Apple market is smaller. However one has to look at it this way its One company trying to appeal to the educational, consumer, prosumer, pro market, and now the server market.
While on the PC side its split between several companies. Sure Apple is going to have a few glitches in they process or it could just be a well planned marketing ploy, either or we will find out in about 60 days or so.
Even car companies have a few glitches lets look at the MINI they were back ordered for months did people care about the price no they likes the package and they will pay the premium for that package. Even auto companies release bits of information to stire up an interest for upcoming models.
When was the last time people said I think I am going to hold out for a Dell system or HP system I grant you none.
When there is antisecapations to a new product it becomes like the fashion shows all eyes will be glued to this so called MisHap marketing ploy so a couple months of no imac big deal who know when its released it will by that time it will bring so much publicity to this that people will say well it must be worth waiting for and save up for whatever it is and when its released and it just happens to be likable people will buy it however Apple also can lose on this if its not presented right with the right formula they 2 months of no imac could hurt them however I feel they have a WINNER on they hands and they could care less of what Wall Street thinks of them they have already stated that they could give a rats a hole about market share.
And the Long in the Tooth debate about Apple moving to x86 it won't happen, why do I say that its because even though there are PC standards Apple likes to image its self as far from BIG BROTHER as possible even considering they work with IBM that is a funny notion. People with they x86 idea don't know that yes x86 is good for some tasks however the Mac hardware and software is tuned for other tasks that it shows are better than x86 and that market is very profitable the video, audio, image, science field.
If Apple were in trouble why the hell would VTech and the US Army order the X server people are not thinking. A cheap consumer will always be cheap, its much easier to climb Everst than to convince a PC/MS users that hey spend a couple hundred more and you can have a system that is X amounts better however they will choose to stick to cheap just as WalMart has become nation wide. Give me a Break ask a Wal Mart shopper you can buy this cheap china made shirt or you can buy this Hugo Boss Shirt for X dollars more well you see where we are heading. The main issue PC users has is that they are too lazy to learn a new OS no matter how easy or better it is for them. It would seem humanity or whatever is left of it just like to rot in a rut.
Rant over
Apple on the other Hand has Motorola, and IBM. With Apple hoping to move all future Mac's on the IBM G5, etc PPC chips.
Granted that the Apple market is smaller. However one has to look at it this way its One company trying to appeal to the educational, consumer, prosumer, pro market, and now the server market.
While on the PC side its split between several companies. Sure Apple is going to have a few glitches in they process or it could just be a well planned marketing ploy, either or we will find out in about 60 days or so.
Even car companies have a few glitches lets look at the MINI they were back ordered for months did people care about the price no they likes the package and they will pay the premium for that package. Even auto companies release bits of information to stire up an interest for upcoming models.
When was the last time people said I think I am going to hold out for a Dell system or HP system I grant you none.
When there is antisecapations to a new product it becomes like the fashion shows all eyes will be glued to this so called MisHap marketing ploy so a couple months of no imac big deal who know when its released it will by that time it will bring so much publicity to this that people will say well it must be worth waiting for and save up for whatever it is and when its released and it just happens to be likable people will buy it however Apple also can lose on this if its not presented right with the right formula they 2 months of no imac could hurt them however I feel they have a WINNER on they hands and they could care less of what Wall Street thinks of them they have already stated that they could give a rats a hole about market share.
And the Long in the Tooth debate about Apple moving to x86 it won't happen, why do I say that its because even though there are PC standards Apple likes to image its self as far from BIG BROTHER as possible even considering they work with IBM that is a funny notion. People with they x86 idea don't know that yes x86 is good for some tasks however the Mac hardware and software is tuned for other tasks that it shows are better than x86 and that market is very profitable the video, audio, image, science field.
If Apple were in trouble why the hell would VTech and the US Army order the X server people are not thinking. A cheap consumer will always be cheap, its much easier to climb Everst than to convince a PC/MS users that hey spend a couple hundred more and you can have a system that is X amounts better however they will choose to stick to cheap just as WalMart has become nation wide. Give me a Break ask a Wal Mart shopper you can buy this cheap china made shirt or you can buy this Hugo Boss Shirt for X dollars more well you see where we are heading. The main issue PC users has is that they are too lazy to learn a new OS no matter how easy or better it is for them. It would seem humanity or whatever is left of it just like to rot in a rut.
Rant over
Maybe, maybe not. For example, the differences between the Gossamer and Yosemite towers weren't so extreme that they had to go with a whole new cabinet, but they went ahead and did it anyway because the new box was cool, and it helped show off that they updated mainboard features that otherwise wouldn't have been especially noticeable.ALoLA said:
CholEoptera36 said:
I would have to disagree. I think Apple is in the hardware business, they just understand that to sell their higher priced hardware they need to have killer apps bundled into the mix. The reason that Macs are so stable is because they can control what hardware you are able to use, sure 3rd party vendors make the stuff, but Apple limits you to good hardware. The main downfall of Windows, IMO is the fact that it has to support millions of possible hardware configurations, not an easy thing to do.
ALoLA said:Why would we consider your purchasing a Dell a victory for Apple?
Because in the bizarre world of Macdome everything is eventually reinterpreted as a victory for Mac users.
MikeLaRiviere said:
ummm I'm still gonna have to disagree, plenty of entry level pro users can do just fine with a 17"-20" LCD display. Up until recently those were high end display sizes anyway. Its a great computer of choice for advanced users who don't need the full muscle of a PowerMac and/or can't afford one.
The problem I have seen on these boards by so many is that they want a PowerMac performance at an eMac price. The eMac is entry level, the iMac is midrange, the PowerMac is high end. Its that simple. Apple doesn't need to completely redesign the iMac other than put in a bit faster processor and upgraded components to make it quite competative. Of course those new parts might need a redesign of the case, and heck they might just want to try something new anyway.
Also I never said it was for HEAVY photoshop usage, I infact said the opposite. And yes the iMac is aimed at those who can afford one, obviously. If they couldn't afford it why would Apple aim it at them, hmmm? It just stands to reason that the people who want more out of their computer than what an eMac can offer are those who aren't your average consumer. Too often people on these boards think that they represent the average consumer. Nope, we aren't average consumers folks.
Bob Knob said:
As someone who has attended not one but two major universities I can tell you that I have NEVER seen a flat-panel iMac used by the instution. I have seen eMacs and PowerMacs. iMacs aren't designed for the heavy use a college computer goes through, imagine the display being swung around, tilted, torqued, etc. on a daily basis. There is a reason Apple reintroduced a CRT machine. Cause its built to take a beating.
destroyboredom said:
Exactly, I think alot of people like arm-chair quarterbacking and thats why they post here. Somehow they all seem to think that they know better. I'd love if we could put them in charge of some simulated apple and watch 99% of them drive it into the ground.
Nicky G said:A headless G5 Macintosh computer that takes the place of both the eMac and iMac, has available 15" and 17" displays that can be used by themselves with other computers, or with this hypothetical headless consumer/pro-sumer machine, starting at $699 or $799. DVI port w/ included VGA adapter, dual FW400, a single FW800, triple USB 2.0, Bluetooth, Airport Extreme. Maybe a single PCI slot, but who really needs it any more for a computer that is appealing to this market? Superdrive of course. Make sure the form factor is equally usable on a desk, OR, on your bookshelf next to your stereo components (it could be connected to your Apple LCD, acting as combo TV/computer monitor). Include Bluetooth keyboard and mouse in the box, so right off the bat, it makes sense to use this thing from a distance, if you want to.
For the folks who absolutely worship the current iMac w/ LCD-on-a-stick, have a "special edition" model that includes the arm, but with a STANDARD VESA MOUNT on the end so you can attach and use ANY of the Apple LCDs, 15" through 20", which will also be revealed at that time.
Wow. The picture I just painted for myself is so darn slick, I'm going to be peeved if it's NOT what comes out. It does make sense from marketing and economic points-of-view, and could be done at the price range I've specified. Maybe Apple would make a little less per unit, but I think by now they've realized you can still make a killing on a very high-demand product, if you can sell a ton of them. And come on, be honest: If this came out, as I've described, would you really NOT get one?
Btw, if I happen to have just spelled out exactly what ends up getting revealed in Sept., I DEMAND to be crowned KING OF MAC RUMORS.
First, all-in-one machines are not going away. That would be stupid and totally counter to Apples ease of use philosophy. The eMac was such a great design for the entry level/average consumer market that when Apple initially released it as education only that got a firestorm of requests to make it available to all.
Second Apple isn't going to start making 15" LCD displays again, there is no reason for them too. The market is saturated with 15" displays and for desktop usage they are becoming less useful since people want to be able to see more information at once, not less.
Third, although a lower priced headless machine isn't a bad idea, I don't know if Apple is willing to do it given the troubles with the cube.
CholEoptera36 said:
Apple isn't a hardware company. Apple isn't a software company. Apple is not like ANY PC company that sells machines. Why? Because the Apple philosophy is that you can do a better job if you produce the hardware and software together. Apple doesn't sell computers it sells solutions. Well polished finished products. The current way the PC industry works is like selling a car and an engine seperately. And its a mess. Look at all the trouble you have trying to get hardware and software to work on the windows side.
By taking the time to engineer Macs as a complete machine and not just a bunch of parts slapped together Apple achieves an elegant solution.
Now it would be fantastic if the PC industry could get together and create true standards for interaction of hardware, instead you have every maker with its own way of doing things. Its like the difference between good and bad programming. If you do good object oriented programming you design the parts to use consistent interfaces so communcation is easy no matter how the parts work inside. Bad programming means you hack things together. Good industrial design means you design your product to work one way all the tiem. Bad design means you hack it together.
Balooba said:
Don't forget the likely possibility that there is a warehouse full of iMac G5's ready to ship that have empty CPU sockets, waiting for IBM to get the lead out of their semiconductor asses. They probably retooled the factory on a certain date based on IBM promises which went unfulfilled.
