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New iMac In September

Example of what the press is now saying

If Doug Bedell's comments in the July 8 Dallas Morning News (it runs a "Personal Technology" section every Thursday) are any indication, Apple isn't handling the PR on this very well:

Many observers speculate that chief executive Steve Jobs is throwing in the towel on iMac sales, redirecting his manufacturing resources to the popular iPod digital music player. Others believe Apple may have run into problems securing the flat-panel displays featured on the latest iMac lineup.
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(scroll down past the story about how MSIE is increasingly out-of-favor :) )
 
adamjay said:
ummm, if you were apple my first question for you would be Why the hell are you using CRTs ??
a 15" LCD costs as much as a decent 19" CRT. and 19" LCDs cost as much as 22" CRTs. i think 99 out of 100 apple customers would rather pay the same price for 2 inches less viewable area. not to mention a lighter, flicker free, more energy effecient LCD.

not to mention the 17" eMac is 50lb's... a 22" CRT iMac would fall through the top of my desk.

i'm not saying this because i don't like CRTs, i am looking at 2 of them right now.
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well, the original crt imac sold like hotcakes because it was cheap, relatively sturdy and offered enough oomph for most people. it stopped selling because of the expensive, easy to break lcd and the lack of power. if they returned to a design like the original imac, people would love it again. it's not like everyone runs out and buys lcds. i havent done any research on this but frm what i know, most consumers buy lcds, and 17" ones at that, so if you give them a 19 incher in a reasonably priced computer, it will be realy popular.
 
Huh?

bwintx said:
If Doug Bedell's comments in the July 8 Dallas Morning News (it runs a "Personal Technology" section every Thursday) are any indication, Apple isn't handling the PR on this very well:



More (may require no-cost registration): Personal Technology section
(scroll down past the story about how MSIE is increasingly out-of-favor :) )
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"Others believe Apple may have run into problems securing the flat-panel displays featured on the latest iMac lineup"

Why would Apple be having trouble securing the flat panel displays? After two years of selling their "latest" any problems would have been ironed out surely.
 
BenRoethig said:
And another $200 for the Lian Li case that looks like a G5. However that is a PROFESSIONAL system. Very few Mac or PC people have them. That vast majority of PCs sold are under $1500. You can get a 2.2ghz Ahlon 64 system for $1000 or what is still a very fast Athlon XP system for $500. That's where x86 has its advantage, in the consumer systems.
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Asus A8V Deluxe
Socket 939
4x PC3200 DIMM (with ECC)
3x ATA-133
1x AGP 8x, 5x PCI (no PCI-X)
2x PS2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 1x LAN, 8X USB 2.0 (4 rear), 2x FireWire (1 Rear)
Gigabit Ethernet
4x SATA​
Cost: $180

AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Socket 939
2.2ghz core clock​
Cost: $416

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB
AGP 8x​
Cost: $219

Enermax Noisetaker 600w PSU
Cost: $168

Pioneer DVR-A07XLA
8x DVD+/-R, 4x DVD+/-RW, 24x CD-R, 24x CD-RW​
Cost: $119

Seagate 160GB 7200RPM SATA
Cost: $117

2x Crucial 256MB PC3200 OEM RAM
Cost: $104

Estimating case cost at $200, not including a monitor.

Total cost: $1,523
 
thatwendigo said:
Asus A8V Deluxe
Socket 939
4x PC3200 DIMM (with ECC)
3x ATA-133
1x AGP 8x, 5x PCI (no PCI-X)
2x PS2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 1x LAN, 8X USB 2.0 (4 rear), 2x FireWire (1 Rear)
Gigabit Ethernet
4x SATA​
Cost: $180

AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Socket 939
2.2ghz core clock​
Cost: $416

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB
AGP 8x​
Cost: $219

Enermax Noisetaker 600w PSU
Cost: $168

Pioneer DVR-A07XLA
8x DVD+/-R, 4x DVD+/-RW, 24x CD-R, 24x CD-RW​
Cost: $119

Seagate 160GB 7200RPM SATA
Cost: $117

2x Crucial 256MB PC3200 OEM RAM
Cost: $104

Estimating case cost at $200, not including a monitor.

Total cost: $1,523
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Northgate PowerHouse 64

CHASSIS
Enermax CS5171LBFS-B Black Mid-Tower Case w/400W Power Supply

OPERATING SYSTEM
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional (Copied from apple 1989)

CASE FAN
Generic Additional Case Cooling Fan

MOTHERBOARD
FIC K8-800T VIA K8T800 8X AGP/5.1CH/DDR400 5 PCI MOTHERBOARD

PROCESSOR
AMD AthlonTM 64 3000+ Processor

CPU FAN
Speeze Fan for AMD Athlon 64 & Athlon 64 FX 5T313B1H3

MEMORY
2 X Kingston 256MB PC3200 NONECC DDRAM Memory

VIDEO
CHAINTECH GEFORCE FX5200 8X AGP 128MB DDR W/TV-OUT & DVI

SOUND
Onboard 6 Channel Audio

HARD DRIVE
(Serial ATA) Seagate 120GB SATA-150 7200RPM 8.5MS 8MB Cache - OEM

CD/DVD R-RW OPTICAL 1*
Lite-On 8X DVD+/-RW Dual Format Drive w/Software - LDW811S BLACK OEM

CD/DVD R-RW OPTICAL 2
AOpen 52X32X52 CD-RW/16X DVD Combo Drive (Black) - OEM

FLOPPY
1.44MB 3.5" Generic Floppy Drive - Black

MODEM*
None Selected

EXTERNAL SPEAKER
Juster 3 Piece Black/Silver 2.1 Speaker SP-321B

KEYBOARD*
Northgate Multimedia Internet PS2 Keyboard - Black/Silver - Retail

MOUSE
Northgate Optical 2-button Mouse w/scroll wheel Black/Silver - Retail

HEAD SET
Stereo headset with microphone - Black color

*SOFTWARE-UTILITY
McAfee VirusScan 8.0 w/ 1 year update (OEM CD only)
WARRANTY AND SUPPORT
(1) One Year Desktop System Limited Warranty (WAR08)

PRECONFIGURED
(CD/DVD Burning Software) Nero Vision Express v.6.0.0.6 (Nero Suite 1)
CyberLink PowerDVD 5.0 Software DVD Player for Windows - OEM CD
SOFTWARE - RECOVERY CD
WINDOWS XP PRO RECOVERY CD

Your Price: $1,001.79
 
homerjward said:
if they returned to a design like the original imac, people would love it again.
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That's what the eMac is--and why the eMac isn't education-only anymore. It's a great choice.

The iMac would have done better if LCD prices had fallen like everyone expected. Such is life. The flat iMac is still a great design at a fair price--especially the larger LCDs. It sold well but now it's time is done.

Can't wait to see what follows! Whatever it is, I predict lots of squealing about it being an utter flop (like the original iPod whining and then the Mini whining)--followed by great reviews and huge quantities sold. :)
 
Dr. Dastardly said:
Word! If you want removable drives and blah blah blah get a Powermac. It seems that just about everyone on these boards just want a Powermac with a built in screen.
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me and my techs have been waiting for for that it would make sense sorta imagine if your display was built in that would save a ton of desk space, but would be a pain to fix. It would be neat to see g5 imacs i would kill apple if they went back to a crt or anything like the cube(sorry cube owners). I'm sure a processor will probably be less than 2ghz, and obviously the 8x optical drive, and 3200 ram, and a 9600 or 9800 video card would be sweet too.
 
How about...

...a G5 iMac with a built-in VESA display mount, looking similar to the stand on the new Cinema Displays. Then, the display size you get could be dependant on your preferences, rather than having to settle for whichever sized display is available for the iMac with system spec's you prefer. Alternately, you could choose not to even purchase one from Apple (if, say, you already had a VESA-mount display), and you could easily replace or upgrade your display later on.
That would satisfy the lower end iMac purchaser who doesn't want to buy the high-end machine but still wants a larger display, while still allowing the design to conform (more or less) to the iMac standard AIO.
I'm no industrial designer, but it sounds feasible to accomplish, and it also seems to me like a solution that would satisfy consumers, pro-sumers, and headless iMac pundits.

eMac = entry level consumer AIO, like the original iMac, keep G4 chips there as long as possible, and drive that price down, down, down.

iMac = upper end consumer and low-end pro-sumer. Maybe there are only two base configurations, since it seems like the main difference between two of the three has been the display size, anyway.

PowerMac = pro-sumer and power user.
 
powermac666 said:
Alternately, you could choose not to even purchase one from Apple (if, say, you already had a VESA-mount display), and you could easily replace or upgrade your display later on.
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Sounds interesting. I wonder how widespread VESA-mountable displays are :confused:

Edit: At a local computer-reseller's web-site I found 6 17" display types with VESA DPMS (I hope that is the right thing) and 4 types without VESA. Maybe you're on to something.

Edit edit: Imagine an iMac with the 30" display ... hey, it says VESA mountable :eek: ;)
 
homerjward said:
first of all, maybe this has been said (33 pages! :eek: ) and i couldnt read it all and anyway im sure some of yall 'll get PO'ed at this.

THE EMAC IS ALREADY WHAT THE IMAC G4 SHOULD HAVE BEEN
if i were apple, and there are many reasons im not, the imac g5 would be in 3 configurations.

base model:
19" CRT at 1600x1200
PPC 970 (not fx) at 1.6 ghz
512mb ram (up to 2096) w/ 2 slots
Radeon 9600 pro w/ 64mb vram (no upgrade)
80gb sata hdd (up to 250)
combo drive (with option to downgrade to cd-rom or up to superdrive)
notebook-style ram slots (just unscrew and pop-in)
tilt/swivel stand a la emac
in aluminum :cool::cool: with iPod mini colors
$999

dv model: same except
22" CRT at 2048x1536
1024mb ram (up to 4096)
Radeon 9800 pro w/ 128 vram
160gb sata hdd (up to 250)
8x superdrive (w/ combo option)
aluminum a la g5 tower
$1599

dv special edition: same as dv except
1.8ghz PPC 970
9800 pro w/ 256 vram
250gb hdd
aluminum in iPod mini colors
$1799

i'd definitely buy the pink dv special edition and im sure the most popular would be the base model because it's what the original imac was. that's why it sold well. because it was just enough power, but not enough to be expensive. plus a huge monitor that would actually scale down for people who want bigger text but dont know about "dpi" and changing it that way (remember consumer). also people who want to do more things like gaming and photoshop and dvds could buy the dv and people who just want the best (or need it and cant afford the extra 200+monitor for a pm) would get the dv se
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I thought the imac was changed to have a LCD because jobs wanted something that was like a sunflower. I know i read this somewhere i just dont know where.
 
yea it was in a Time Magazine interview with Steve and Jonathan Ive...
said that "they" came up with the idea while walking through Mrs. Jobs garden.

can't think of any plants or flowers resembling a 22" CRT.. well maybe, a Hemlock Hedge... not too inspiring though.
 
homerjward said:
first of all, maybe this has been said (33 pages! ) and i couldnt read it all and anyway im sure some of yall 'll get PO'ed at this.

THE EMAC IS ALREADY WHAT THE IMAC G4 SHOULD HAVE BEEN
if i were apple, and there are many reasons im not, the imac g5 would be in 3 configurations.

base model:
19" CRT at 1600x1200
PPC 970 (not fx) at 1.6 ghz
512mb ram (up to 2096) w/ 2 slots
Radeon 9600 pro w/ 64mb vram (no upgrade)
80gb sata hdd (up to 250)
combo drive (with option to downgrade to cd-rom or up to superdrive)
notebook-style ram slots (just unscrew and pop-in)
tilt/swivel stand a la emac
in aluminum with iPod mini colors
$999

dv model: same except
22" CRT at 2048x1536
1024mb ram (up to 4096)
Radeon 9800 pro w/ 128 vram
160gb sata hdd (up to 250)
8x superdrive (w/ combo option)
aluminum a la g5 tower
$1599

dv special edition: same as dv except
1.8ghz PPC 970
9800 pro w/ 256 vram
250gb hdd
aluminum in iPod mini colors
$1799

i'd definitely buy the pink dv special edition and im sure the most popular would be the base model because it's what the original imac was. that's why it sold well. because it was just enough power, but not enough to be expensive. plus a huge monitor that would actually scale down for people who want bigger text but dont know about "dpi" and changing it that way (remember consumer). also people who want to do more things like gaming and photoshop and dvds could buy the dv and people who just want the best (or need it and cant afford the extra 200+monitor for a pm) would get the dv se
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I understand where you're coming from, but think about this:

The eMac is already pretty big; have you ever compared a 15", a 17", and a 19" CRT side-by-side? If you have, you'll notice that they grow exponentially larger. This new iMac would be absolutely huge! And it would weigh near 100 lbs!

Also, the G5 (970) is way too hot to stick in an all-in one like the eMac because of the giant CRT (which makes a ton of heat). LCDs produce very little heat, in contrast.

The iMac has a very good market in terms of its size and style (LCD over CRT). It's major problem that has been destroying sales is that, for the price, it's incredibly underpowered! A nice new G5 (probably 970fx for heat reasons) will do nicely for this. However, I fear with the 970fx, we're going to have major supply problems (G5, xServe, and iMac).

CRT AIOs have probably hit the wall at 17". LCDs are the future.

Also, don't you think a green, blue, pink, or gold anodized aluminum CRT would be really ugly?
 
adamjay said:
yea it was in a Time Magazine interview with Steve and Jonathan Ive...
said that "they" came up with the idea while walking through Mrs. Jobs garden.

can't think of any plants or flowers resembling a 22" CRT.. well maybe, a Hemlock Hedge... not too inspiring though.
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That's a pretty funny image to think about, which Time was this in?

This is my last post until the 19th, I'll be on vacation :eek: :eek: Oh well, see you guys when I get back :)
 
adamjay said:
yea it was in a Time Magazine interview with Steve and Jonathan Ive...
said that "they" came up with the idea while walking through Mrs. Jobs garden.

can't think of any plants or flowers resembling a 22" CRT.. well maybe, a Hemlock Hedge... not too inspiring though.
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Yep, but that was after they had decided to use a flat-panel display and had already discarded the idea of having a computer vertically mounted behind a flat screen. So, they did not use a flat-panel display because they had the sunflower idea but they came up with the sunflower idea because they wanted to use a flat-panel display.
 
nagromme said:
Can't wait to see what follows! Whatever it is, I predict lots of squealing about it being an utter flop (like the original iPod whining and then the Mini whining)--followed by great reviews and huge quantities sold. :)
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Hehe. Oh so true! :D
 
BenRoethig said:
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Enermax CS5171LBFS-B Black Mid-Tower Case w/400W Power Supply

OPERATING SYSTEM
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional (Copied from apple 1989)

CASE FAN
Generic Additional Case Cooling Fan

MOTHERBOARD
FIC K8-800T VIA K8T800 8X AGP/5.1CH/DDR400 5 PCI MOTHERBOARD

PROCESSOR
AMD AthlonTM 64 3000+ Processor

CPU FAN
Speeze Fan for AMD Athlon 64 & Athlon 64 FX 5T313B1H3

MEMORY
2 X Kingston 256MB PC3200 NONECC DDRAM Memory

VIDEO
CHAINTECH GEFORCE FX5200 8X AGP 128MB DDR W/TV-OUT & DVI

SOUND
Onboard 6 Channel Audio

HARD DRIVE
(Serial ATA) Seagate 120GB SATA-150 7200RPM 8.5MS 8MB Cache - OEM

CD/DVD R-RW OPTICAL 1*
Lite-On 8X DVD+/-RW Dual Format Drive w/Software - LDW811S BLACK OEM

CD/DVD R-RW OPTICAL 2
AOpen 52X32X52 CD-RW/16X DVD Combo Drive (Black) - OEM

FLOPPY
1.44MB 3.5" Generic Floppy Drive - Black

MODEM*
None Selected

EXTERNAL SPEAKER
Juster 3 Piece Black/Silver 2.1 Speaker SP-321B

KEYBOARD*
Northgate Multimedia Internet PS2 Keyboard - Black/Silver - Retail

MOUSE
Northgate Optical 2-button Mouse w/scroll wheel Black/Silver - Retail

HEAD SET
Stereo headset with microphone - Black color

*SOFTWARE-UTILITY
McAfee VirusScan 8.0 w/ 1 year update (OEM CD only)
WARRANTY AND SUPPORT
(1) One Year Desktop System Limited Warranty (WAR08)

PRECONFIGURED
(CD/DVD Burning Software) Nero Vision Express v.6.0.0.6 (Nero Suite 1)
CyberLink PowerDVD 5.0 Software DVD Player for Windows - OEM CD
SOFTWARE - RECOVERY CD
WINDOWS XP PRO RECOVERY CD

Your Price: $1,001.79
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Wait, wait. What was the OS?

OPERATING SYSTEM
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional

Oh. NVM. :D
 
MacQuest said:
Wait, wait. What was the OS?

OPERATING SYSTEM
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional

Oh. NVM. :D
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There's not much of a choice. Marklar isn't available and the various Linux variants are not ready for prime time. I'm talking about the price of the hardware. With a 17" LCD isplay, it's 1,405.55. Compare that to the 17" iMac.
 
Well, if you find Windows comparable to Panther then... I guess you've got options :)
 
gekko513 said:
Sounds interesting. I wonder how widespread VESA-mountable displays are :confused:

Edit: At a local computer-reseller's web-site I found 6 17" display types with VESA DPMS (I hope that is the right thing) and 4 types without VESA. Maybe you're on to something.

Edit edit: Imagine an iMac with the 30" display ... hey, it says VESA mountable :eek: ;)
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Apple is already VESA compliant with the new LCD's, and I've seen a lot of VESA compliant workstations in my recent searches for new workstation furniture for my department at work. I don't see any obvious barriers. I mean, I love my iMac800 15", but I know a lot of folks who, like me, bought the early version and wish they had waited for the 17 or even the 20. Being able to upgrade the display just makes sense, especially since the eMac has supplanted the iMac in the low end consumer area.

I still can't imagine what the form for the new iMac will be but, given the fact that Apple could not go back and re-retool their assembly lines to make more of the old, there are clearly some significant changes. There'd have to be, to make a G5 work in the small enclosure which has been the hallmark of the iMac line. C'mon Apple. Give us some product shots already!!!!!
 
paxtonandrew said:
Apple already have a CRT iMac. It is called the eMac and is relally just an extension of the previous CRT iMacs of old. These computers are also cheaper than a standard iMac, so when you eat the computer, you won't have to feel guilty about eating the 'flagship' comsumer Mac! :rolleyes: :cool: :eek:
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to be honest thats a very silly statement (ok ok the eating i macs wasnt genius) they already have crt imacs called emacs..yeah they also have portable g5s with g4 processors called powerbooks :rolleyes: ;)

ok what prehaps i should of said was the imac has always been a ground breaker... the way to break-ground is not to make another emac....
 
BenRoethig said:
There's not much of a choice. Marklar isn't available and the various Linux variants are not ready for prime time. I'm talking about the price of the hardware. With a 17" LCD isplay, it's 1,405.55. Compare that to the 17" iMac.
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You forgot to add $300-400 in security and usability software, using name brand parts that aren't bargain bin cast-offs, a drive by someone other than Lite-On, a case that doesn't look like it was beaten with the ugly stick, and a whole lot of other benefits of using a macintosh. Were you to update that thing to use real comparisons - ThermalTake or Lian Li cases, ATI cards, Pioneer DVD drive, and so on - it wouldn't be anywhere close to $1000, but something more like $1,500 without even adding a monitor.

I know, because I just did this with a friend the other day, and the Athlon 64 3000+ was the processor I specced in the system. Feel free to use cheap parts, though. TANSTAAFL.
 
thatwendigo said:
You forgot to add $300-400 in security and usability software, using name brand parts that aren't bargain bin cast-offs, a drive by someone other than Lite-On, a case that doesn't look like it was beaten with the ugly stick, and a whole lot of other benefits of using a macintosh. Were you to update that thing to use real comparisons - ThermalTake or Lian Li cases, ATI cards, Pioneer DVD drive, and so on - it wouldn't be anywhere close to $1000, but something more like $1,500 without even adding a monitor.

I know, because I just did this with a friend the other day, and the Athlon 64 3000+ was the processor I specced in the system. Feel free to use cheap parts, though. TANSTAAFL.
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In other words, if it isn't completely tricked out, it isn't a real computer. The low end Athlon 64 boxes may not be as fast or look as good as the high end systems, but they are good enough for 90% of the public. And more importantly, they are affordable and upgradable. What did I get when bought my G3? A $2300 non-upgradable computer that was obsolete in six months and unusable ofr all but word processing two and half years later. It looked great though I don't know about you, but I can't afford to shell out two grand on a new computer every other year and I have no intention of getting another all in one after the Performa 5200. And quite frankly, after dealing with x86 HARDWARE for two years, spending that kind of money every two years is unjustified as well. What it comes down to, I would like an upgradable computer with a great operating system that I can afford. Unfortuately, no such computer exists.
 
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