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32 inch would have been such a breath of fresh air. But I guess the fear of cannibalizing other product lines is now a thing at Apple. Selling performance these days is a tough cookie when the latest version is just a spec bump and doesn’t look any different from the models it replaces.

Look at the M2 Pro/Max versus the M1. I think this is gonna have some impact on upgrade decisions.
I used to be heavily into the Palm OS ecosystem back in the 00s and 10s. Similar deal there. They don't want to release an "ultimate PDA" since people will just get that and nothing else. Too high of a price is generally a concern for them as well such that they may not have enough sales to justify such a path anyways.
 
Is there a market for $5000 imac's? I think Apple is done bundling a laptop and a screen for less than you could buy the two seperately (from Apple).
 
Is there a market for $5000 imac's? I think Apple is done bundling a laptop and a screen for less than you could buy the two seperately (from Apple).
I think that needs to end. The iMac as an all-in-one is consumer oriented. They started to muddy the waters with feature creep and price hikes, ending with the iMac Pro, which itself was just a stopgap for the Mac Pro / Mac Studio situation we have now.
iMacs should be the consumer desktop, and that's it. No 'pro' option. From just an environmental stance, not just a conceptual stance, it's wrong to bundle the display with the computer long-term.
 
jesus apple give me a frickin 27" iMac Pro already, i've been waiting for more than 2 years now.

It’s likely they are struggling with the technology needed to do this.

A hypothetical iMac Pro would need to come with an XDR ProMotion display (since all their pro laptops, pro iPads, and pro phones all have it). An iMac Pro may also need to be 30” or 32” as screen sizes seem to grow.

The iMac Pro also needs to have a high-end chip. Something like the M1 Ultra. Looking at the Mac Studio, there are some beefy fans on that machine.

So now you’re talking about a 6K ProMotion XDR display (which doesn’t exist), plus a beefy chip inside one enclosure. That’s going to take some serious engineering to get it to work to professional standards.

Now of course Apple could also just slap in an M2 Max chip into the 27” studio display and call it good. But that couldn’t be branded as iMac Pro. Seeing as they haven’t done that already I think Apple is really gearing towards a Pro iMac.
 
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32 inch would have been such a breath of fresh air. But I guess the fear of cannibalizing other product lines is now a thing at Apple. Selling performance these days is a tough cookie when the latest version is just a spec bump and doesn’t look any different from the models it replaces.

Look at the M2 Pro/Max versus the M1. I think this is gonna have some impact on upgrade decisions.
True but does it make sense? I mean not everyone has the room for a 32" OR wants to pay what
Apple will ask for one. Maybe it is cannibalization, or what they believe to be lack of interest,
maybe they haven't sourced a 32" design heh or maybe all of the above.
I have room and am still interested in one so count me in!
 
It’s likely they are struggling with the technology needed to do this.

A hypothetical iMac Pro would need to come with an XDR ProMotion display (since all their pro laptops, pro iPads, and pro phones all have it). An iMac Pro may also need to be 30” or 32” as screen sizes seem to grow.

The iMac Pro also needs to have a high-end chip. Something like the M1 Ultra. Looking at the Mac Studio, there are some beefy fans on that machine.

So now you’re talking about a 6K ProMotion XDR display (which doesn’t exist), plus a beefy chip inside one enclosure. That’s going to take some serious engineering to get it to work to professional standards.

Now of course Apple could also just slap in an M2 Max chip into the 27” studio display and call it good. But that couldn’t be branded as iMac Pro. Seeing as they haven’t done that already I think Apple is really gearing towards a Pro iMac.

This is easily done - the question is can it be done within any price Apple current charges for desktops. Probably not. A 32” HDR iMax sporting an an M3 Pro/Max costs $5K at least
 
This is easily done - the question is can it be done within any price Apple current charges for desktops. Probably not. A 32” HDR iMax sporting an an M3 Pro/Max costs $5K at least

To my knowledge, a 6K Retina HDR 120Hz display doesn’t exist in the world (at least nothing consumers can buy). Thunderbolt doesn’t have the bandwidth for that. Maybe DP 2.1 can handle it. It’s certainly not an easy task. Plus to put that all in an enclosure with a massive chip that requires large fans like in the Mac Studio? I think you’re underestimating how hard that is.

But I agree the price is also the factor here too and I agree it’s going to be hard to make it cost effective!
 
Still waiting for Apple silicon replacement for my 2015 imac 27 inch. No, the mac studio/mac mini is not a replacement for imac.
 
If the current Studio Display had had Mac Studio Max hardware incorporated into it and called iMac how well would it sell priced at $3000-$3500 US?

Compare that with how many Mac Studios and Mac Mini Pros they would sell even if those buyers opted for a different monitor other than a 27in. Studio Display.

Mac diehards might say, “Hell, yeah!” but how many really would? Such an iMac could be considered a more reasonably priced iMac Pro, but how many calling for this would really buy it? Thats the question Apple was/is no doubt asking.

I don’t know the answer. I’m just asking.

Many of us are commenting on what we think should be done, but we’re all looking at it from each our own narrow perspectives. We’re often not looking at it in terms of the broader market. Many of us think that because we see something as a good idea then it must be the right idea for most everyone else.

And I would add the most vocal voices in these forums are not necessarily representative of the broader market.
 
iMacs should be the consumer desktop, and that's it. No 'pro' option. From just an environmental stance, not just a conceptual stance, it's wrong to bundle the display with the computer long-term.
Yup. If I wanted an extra computer for general use that would plug-in and go, wouldn't need a lot of peripherals then... well, actually, I'd probably get a MacBook Air - but if it had to be a desktop, the 24" iMac would be perfect. The CPU is powerful enough to do a bit of everything, the display is pretty good and a decent size, and if I got the silver option I wouldn't have to throw up in my mouth a bit every time I looked at it. If, however, I'm spending $2000+ on a Mx Max computer and $1000+ on displays I want to be able to pick and choose.

It's not just cost, specs and future waste, but ergonomics: the 27" iMac is already a pain when you have to reach around the back to plug things in, or move it around - any larger and it would get ridiculous. With a large screen I'm definitely going to want a more flexible stand than you get with the iMac (and Apple's adjustable stands certainly aren't worth the price) - yes, you could get the VESA option and your mount of choice - but then you have a dozen wires for peripherals etc. dangling from your display and it rapidly becomes much neater to have your computer in a box on the desk.

I only got an iMac in 2017 because there was no viable 'headless' Mac at the time. The 5k iMac display was really nice and sounded like a good deal c.f. $1200+ for an LG Ultrafine - but a "good deal" is only good if it gives you what you want, and however nice the image was, having a large display - with no external input - welded to my computer was a permanent pain in the backside. Now I've switched to a Studio and two matching third-party displays and it is far better suited to my needs... and, maybe, in a couple of years time I'll replace the computer and keep the screens or, maybe, replace the screens and keep the computer... So much more flexible.

No, the mac studio/mac mini is not a replacement for imac.

True. For some of us it is a vast improvement. It comes down to a whole laundry list of practical reasons why separate components are more flexible and practical vs. "it looks neat" for the iMac. Ultimately, it comes down to sales numbers - we don't have those, Apple does and they have reacted by dropping the large-screen iMacs. If they'd been flying off the shelves, Apple could have stuck an M1 Pro into a 5k iMac chassis ages ago. Plus, Apple can sell Studio Displays, Pro XDRs and any future displays to MacBook owners, Mac Pro owners, Mac Mini owners - not just people who happen to want an iMac.

...then what about people who want a Pro XDR display to go with their Mac desktop? I think it's ludicrously expensive but if I were being paid to stare at a screen for most of the day and it fit my needs I wouldn't rule it out (I don't see any comparable panels at lower prices - plus I could always stand it on a pile of bricks and save $1000 :) )... but its far too expensive to bundle as standard with an iMac and I certainly wouldn't want a $5000 display that died with the computer it was glued in to. We may see a 'cheaper' XDR display from Apple, but that's gonna be "cheaper than $5000", not pocket money, and that price will probably be based on attracting sales from all higher-end Mac owners.

Even a Mac Studio/"Mini Pro" + Studio Display setup costs about the same as a top-end iMac used to (by the time you've factored in the 32GB RAM upgrade) for a spec comparable to a $5000 iMac Pro, and that's ignoring the various far cheaper 3rd-party display choices.

Yes, we've lost the $1800 entry-level i5 5k iMac - but I suspect the 5k panels have got just too expensive to make that viable (5k has totally failed to catch on outside of the Mac world) - plus, I wouldn't recommend a regular M1/M2 to push that many pixels, even if it "works". OTOH You can pair a M2 Mini with a pretty decent 4k screen for a lot less.
 
I seriously considered the Mac Studio Max as an alternative to a new iMac. The specs certainly warrant considering it. Normally I would also have to get a keyboard and mouse for it, but I presently have those from my current iMac. Mind you thats a small expense in the greater scheme of things.

But with a Mac Studio you still have to get a display and a sound system. The Studio Display answers both needs—but I don’t need a 5K display. There are less expensive 4K displays also with a sound system included but, being spoiled by Apple products for twenty years, they look cheap in comparison even if they are $1000 give or take. Thats no surprise given many expensive Windows laptops are also made of plastic and look cheap.

A Mac Studio even with a good 4K display is still going to be at least as much and likely more than a current iMac spec’d with 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD. And the iMac has a 4.5K display and a decent sound system. An M3 iMac will sweeten the deal with the availability of 24-32GB RAM options.

I am looking at this solely from my perspective and my needs. In my circumstance the iMac is the better value because I feel it gives me the most for the least for what I need. I can afford to buy a Mac Studio and Studio Display, but it makes me antsy thinking about spending that much for my particular needs. I can’t bring myself to justify it. Others will feel differently.

I’m 95% sure a current M1 iMac would suit my needs, and if I were desperate for a new computer I’d go for it. But I’m fortunate in not being desperate so I can afford to wait for the M3 iMac. Furthermore I’m not one adamant to have a 27in. display. For twelve years I’ve been satisfied with my 21.5 display so a 24in. will be a decent upgrade.

But thats just me.
 
But with a Mac Studio you still have to get a display and a sound system. The Studio Display answers both needs—but I don’t need a 5K display.
My experience is that speakers built into 3rd party displays are generally rubbish. The speakers in my Mateview are worse than the Mac Studio's built-in speaker. The speakers in the iMac, iPad and various MacBooks are certainly far, far better - but only compared to the low standard set by other built-in or ultra-small speakers. The iMac built in speakers sound like an excellent pair of hi-fi speakers... that have been locked in a glass-and-aluminium pizza box with only a tiny slit at the bottom open to the air (can't think why).

My suggestion - get a pair of half-decent, traditional bookshelf monitor speakers and they'll blow away anything you'll ever get built into a display (and probably outlive your current computer).

That's kinda the other problem with the iMac/Studio display concept: a significant number of Mac users are into audio/visual content creation of some kind, for which you need proper flat-response studio monitors or professional cans, so those built in speakers are about much use as a chocolate teapot (especially if you're using an external audio interface anyway). Heck, it doesn't take a card-carrying deoxygenated-copper-eared audiophool to want something a bit better than built-in speakers for music-while-you-work.
 
My experience is that speakers built into 3rd party displays are generally rubbish. The speakers in my Mateview are worse than the Mac Studio's built-in speaker. The speakers in the iMac, iPad and various MacBooks are certainly far, far better - but only compared to the low standard set by other built-in or ultra-small speakers. The iMac built in speakers sound like an excellent pair of hi-fi speakers... that have been locked in a glass-and-aluminium pizza box with only a tiny slit at the bottom open to the air (can't think why).

My suggestion - get a pair of half-decent, traditional bookshelf monitor speakers and they'll blow away anything you'll ever get built into a display (and probably outlive your current computer).

That's kinda the other problem with the iMac/Studio display concept: a significant number of Mac users are into audio/visual content creation of some kind, for which you need proper flat-response studio monitors or professional cans, so those built in speakers are about much use as a chocolate teapot (especially if you're using an external audio interface anyway). Heck, it doesn't take a card-carrying deoxygenated-copper-eared audiophool to want something a bit better than built-in speakers for music-while-you-work.
See, I just want decent sound. I’m not doing video/audio editing and my computer is not the primary way I listen to music. As such I don’t like the idea of having to buy external speakers resulting in more clutter, something I’m trying to stay away from.
 
Why not? They are a lot faster than the Intel i5-chips that used to do the same thing years ago. Worked fine.
AFAIK even the lower-end 5k iMacs have always come with some sort of discrete AMD GPU rather than integrated graphics - and the GPU demands of software, even for the basic MacOS desktop, aren't reducing with time.

The graphics in the base M1/M2 blow other integrated GPUS out of the water and are a revelation in an ultra-low-power laptop, but they're only really equivalent to a so-so discrete GPU. Maybe it's just "abundance of caution" but if I were investing in a 5k display I'd pair it with something a bit better than the base M1/M2 GPU to get a bit more headroom.
 
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AFAIK even the lower-end 5k iMacs have always come with some sort of discrete AMD GPU rather than integrated graphics
Yes the first 5K iMac baseline came with a AMD Radeon R9 M290X card. I don’t totally know how this compares with the M1 but Apple claims their MacBook Air with M1 can handle both the internal display plus a 6K display. I’d imagine a single 5K display would be fine.

However I agree - if you want any sort of headroom I’d want a Pro level chip.
 
Not gonna happen now there is the Mac Studio and 27” Studio Display.
If you look at the percentages, the 21.5" became a 23.5" display, but they call it a 24". A bump up from 4K to 4.5K. A 27" display should become a 30.5" which they would call a 31" I guess to avoid bumping up against the XDR display, then I presume it would be a 5.5K resolution.
 
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