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New iMacs Released (1GHz and 1.25GHz)
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Ok, but when Apple SAYS it won't go in PowerBooks any time soon, they seriously mean it, I presume.
If they had the PB 17" behind the hills, they'd say it.
Look: they told us about G5 in PM about 2 months before it was ready to ship. I seriously doubt, they have plans for G5 in PB.
Just remember how long did it took them to go from G3 to G4 in PB!!!
If they had the PB 17" behind the hills, they'd say it.
Look: they told us about G5 in PM about 2 months before it was ready to ship. I seriously doubt, they have plans for G5 in PB.
Just remember how long did it took them to go from G3 to G4 in PB!!!
The lack of a L3 cache in the new iMacs is rather disappointing. They should have either added the cache or lowered the prices by $100-200 across the board IMO. Overall, it's a needed upgrade, but nothing that is going to make anyone run out to buy them.
Squire the point is I'm again and again dissapointed on Apple.
I had PB 667 DVI till this summer and then I bought PB 17". The increse of the speed is minor!!!
When I remember the old days I was using a PC, I can recall that when I bought a new one, it was segnificatly faster then the old one and I did that every half a year. Now I buy a new mac every year and the speed increse is rediculous.
They are squeezing us out!!! They are more dangerous than MS!!! Why_ Becouse they don't have any judges breathing down their neck.
They just wan't to make money! And this wish is almost bigger at Apple than at MS.
I had PB 667 DVI till this summer and then I bought PB 17". The increse of the speed is minor!!!
When I remember the old days I was using a PC, I can recall that when I bought a new one, it was segnificatly faster then the old one and I did that every half a year. Now I buy a new mac every year and the speed increse is rediculous.
They are squeezing us out!!! They are more dangerous than MS!!! Why_ Becouse they don't have any judges breathing down their neck.
They just wan't to make money! And this wish is almost bigger at Apple than at MS.
A couple of observations:
1. Notice how the G4s in each iMac model have 256 KB of L2 cache. These aren't 7457-era G4s. Either they really don't have any good yields of 7457s, or they aren't as essential to iMacs as they are to PowerBooks. Apple may be deliberately conserving supplies of whatever 7457 chips they do get.
2. Unless my memory is hazy, Apple hasn't ever let you choose hard drive size as a BTO option on the store, but it's there now. Both 15" and 17" models can have a 160 GB drive for $100 US more.
3. Yes, it would seem silly for Apple to update iMacs AND iPods the week before Apple Expo, but not do anything when Jobs is keynoting.
1. Notice how the G4s in each iMac model have 256 KB of L2 cache. These aren't 7457-era G4s. Either they really don't have any good yields of 7457s, or they aren't as essential to iMacs as they are to PowerBooks. Apple may be deliberately conserving supplies of whatever 7457 chips they do get.
2. Unless my memory is hazy, Apple hasn't ever let you choose hard drive size as a BTO option on the store, but it's there now. Both 15" and 17" models can have a 160 GB drive for $100 US more.
3. Yes, it would seem silly for Apple to update iMacs AND iPods the week before Apple Expo, but not do anything when Jobs is keynoting.
But I thought Macs weren't all about the speed? Or now is it that the G5 truly exists, they are again?
Mac faithfull are like pendulums:
We are the fastest! PC's sux0rs!
It's not speed, it's reliability and good design.
We are the fastest.....
*sigh*
(Just a note)
All I can think is that this will just spawn more "Apple is cheating us by not releasing PowerBooks." The iMacs have nothing to do with the PowerBooks. I know that it is crazy that they are not out yet, but stuff happens and all you can do is wait. Just be happy that Apple isn't dead.
P-Worm
P-Worm
it is that faith that is killing our nerves and wallets!!!
Please consider: what is your mac anyway? A tool to do your work or a toy?
If it is a toy for you and you have enough money, then OK. But isn't it funny that some families buy a macintosh becouse it fits the furniture? I now some, who actualy bought it becouse of this fact.
Then again, if you use it lika a tool: you can do thing on a PC much faster and they became reliable months ago.
Please consider: what is your mac anyway? A tool to do your work or a toy?
If it is a toy for you and you have enough money, then OK. But isn't it funny that some families buy a macintosh becouse it fits the furniture? I now some, who actualy bought it becouse of this fact.
Then again, if you use it lika a tool: you can do thing on a PC much faster and they became reliable months ago.
lot of crying going on, but look they just went up 250 mhz! what more you want? i see this as the last g4 imacs,next year g5s. anyways this imac will do anything you ask it.
riddle me this, Macrumors legions - if PB delays have been blamed on shortages of the blazingly fast (cough) 1.25GHz G4, why would Apple choose to stock them in iMacs when the PB line represented a more critical need? Am I missing something about the die size or something here?
I think this points to a G5 PB to be announced at Paris.
As underwhelming as this update is to the iMac line, I can't belive Jobs & Co. would delay an announcement on PB updates of the same underwhelming nature.
I paint two scenarios here for you:
A) After an underwhelming response to the iMac updates, Steve Jobs shows up at Paris announcing before the crowd, "Behold, I give you the .25GHz increase in speed PowerBook - another example of Apple innovation". A small smattering of Applause from the Ultra-Orthodox Macolyte representatives, then some invectives hurled out in French (for example, please refer to Matrix: Reloaded) followed quickly by stale baguettes and strange French sandwich fixings. Steve ducks and dodges and runs for the side, but ends up with pate in his eye, cursing Motorola under his breath.
B) After an underwhelming response to the iMac updates, Steve Jobs shows up at Paris wearing a smug grin, announcing before the crowd, "Behold, I give you the G5 PowerBook. The world's first practical 64 bit laptop - another example of Apple innovation," to the shock and awe of everyone there. Parisian girls start kissing American GIs on the streets, Americans start eating French Fries again. Orders for G5 PBs skyrocket although delivery dates remain 3 months away (and then a 4th month - something about a small university wanting to create a portable super-cluster). Behind the podium, where nobody can see, Steve gives Motorola the finger.
Now vote! Which do you think is more likely?
I think this points to a G5 PB to be announced at Paris.
As underwhelming as this update is to the iMac line, I can't belive Jobs & Co. would delay an announcement on PB updates of the same underwhelming nature.
I paint two scenarios here for you:
A) After an underwhelming response to the iMac updates, Steve Jobs shows up at Paris announcing before the crowd, "Behold, I give you the .25GHz increase in speed PowerBook - another example of Apple innovation". A small smattering of Applause from the Ultra-Orthodox Macolyte representatives, then some invectives hurled out in French (for example, please refer to Matrix: Reloaded) followed quickly by stale baguettes and strange French sandwich fixings. Steve ducks and dodges and runs for the side, but ends up with pate in his eye, cursing Motorola under his breath.
B) After an underwhelming response to the iMac updates, Steve Jobs shows up at Paris wearing a smug grin, announcing before the crowd, "Behold, I give you the G5 PowerBook. The world's first practical 64 bit laptop - another example of Apple innovation," to the shock and awe of everyone there. Parisian girls start kissing American GIs on the streets, Americans start eating French Fries again. Orders for G5 PBs skyrocket although delivery dates remain 3 months away (and then a 4th month - something about a small university wanting to create a portable super-cluster). Behind the podium, where nobody can see, Steve gives Motorola the finger.
Now vote! Which do you think is more likely?
So why buy a G5?
No, seriously, with all this talk about the OS and applications moving to 64 bit code, why buy this iMac unless you have another $2K to burn 6 months from now?
AppleMatt, yes you are right. Some people here have a reasonable amount of intelligence and other have faight in Apple and Macs. What is apple doing is that he is missusing it's monopol. And yes, it has one. Only people who use a mac or have friends, who use one, buy macs. This is a call for a proscution or at least some people must get tigehter and sue Apple.
Look: the benchmarks they use in commercials are missleading us, and this is a serious problem; a problem of unloyalful competition (or what is the term in you language).
Now, I am a layer and I know what I'm talking here.
Look: the benchmarks they use in commercials are missleading us, and this is a serious problem; a problem of unloyalful competition (or what is the term in you language).
Now, I am a layer and I know what I'm talking here.
As was already mentioned earlier in the thread, these new iMacs clearly have 7455 G4s, not 7457s.
mitjap...
your posts have the potential to get real UGLY realy quick. i'd stop now, if i were you.
or at least start your own thread if you want to.
many people know what they are talking about here, not just you. and someone having a different take on the situation than you doesn't mean he/she doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
your posts have the potential to get real UGLY realy quick. i'd stop now, if i were you.
or at least start your own thread if you want to.
many people know what they are talking about here, not just you. and someone having a different take on the situation than you doesn't mean he/she doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
USB 2 and more HD/Mhz was a given, but we've also got more base RAM and better graphics boards. 64 MB VRAM on the high-end, and both models have output to TV. Pretty good.
The keyboard hub should be updated to USB 2 too, though--those are the handy ports for a camera.
The keyboard hub should be updated to USB 2 too, though--those are the handy ports for a camera.
MijatP,
In agreement with jxyama, this thread could turn ugly quickly. I see both sides of the PC Mac debate because I use both Operating Systems. I read a hell of a lot each day about both companies. I make my own informed decision. I don't impose my opinions onto other forum members, be they supporters or bashers of Apple.
As for being a lawyer...the lack of structure to your baseless arguments (sorry Apple has a monopoly because only certain people buy macs?!) and poor spelling would indicate to me that you are, in-fact, not a lawyer.
Eitherway, the fact remains, this is a iMac thread. Feel free to start your own thread, with all your above argument(s) in it, on this very forum.
AppleMatt
In agreement with jxyama, this thread could turn ugly quickly. I see both sides of the PC Mac debate because I use both Operating Systems. I read a hell of a lot each day about both companies. I make my own informed decision. I don't impose my opinions onto other forum members, be they supporters or bashers of Apple.
As for being a lawyer...the lack of structure to your baseless arguments (sorry Apple has a monopoly because only certain people buy macs?!) and poor spelling would indicate to me that you are, in-fact, not a lawyer.
Eitherway, the fact remains, this is a iMac thread. Feel free to start your own thread, with all your above argument(s) in it, on this very forum.
AppleMatt
They've added AirportExtreme. Look at the specs.
And nobody with an iMac is going to use FW800. It's even pointless on the PowerBooks. It would almost outpace the system BUS. It already does outpace the internal HD speed on the PowerBooks. It's candy. It's only really good for use in the towers.