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The only thing I am worried is glossy screen. I don't know if it affects the eyes (he does not have a great eyesight), as he will try to use the computer in a dark room to avoid glare and reflections.
Just go try it out. Seriously. Standing in front of both models extensively, anywhere there is a reflection on a glossy panel, there's also a reflection on the matte one (using the MBP as a reference). Neither one affects use when you're sitting at the computer.

Because of transmissive backlighting, the computer itself is brighter than all but the most intense and focused light sources that might be aimed at the display. A matte display will wash out in intense light and diffuse the spot across a larger area. A glossy display will show a reflection.

People condemn the displays based on a walk-by from five feet away instead of sitting right at one, adjusting it properly, and trying to use it. The 10-second jab is always easier. When the glossy panels first came to Macs, there was doom and gloom left and right. Then people actually used them and found their fears baseless. It bears absolutely no relation to the anti-glare screens for CRTs--the physics and optics are completely different, and people seem to have forgotten that the anti-glare screens were themselves glossy from oblique angles, too.
 
I am almost sure it is a political decision, just to keep both companies happy. I guess iMac was the best bet to put 26oo in. I am not happy about it, but who cares. I was going to buy one for my son and now I am not sure what to do. I will probably buy it anyways, I promissed him. But I do agree that it is a better machine than the previous modeland my son liked it. The only thing I am worried is glossy screen. I don't know if it affects the eyes (he does not have a great eyesight), as he will try to use the computer in a dark room to avoid glare and reflections.

I guess, I'm saying Apple should give the option, the ATI 2600 if you want the extra video features, an Nvidia card if you want better game performance. As far as the glossy screen, not much of a big deal really as you just position the screen so the bright lights like windows are not facing it (what I've always done anyway with crts or any other monitor)
 
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Sorry ya feel that way. Most of us love the design.

From what I'm seeing here and elsewhere on the web, I don't think you can say "most" love the design. Seems like plenty are ambivalent about it, some like it, and some really, really hate it.

I type at about 90 wpm. If the new keyboard is anything like the MacBook keyboard - which it is, exactly - it is perfectly fine. Absolutely no more typos than on any other keyboard. Perhaps you have mal-coordinated hands ;)

Perhaps I just like a keyboard that offers some tactile feedback and has a little play. This keyboard has neither - in fact it feels slightly different from the MacBook keyboard, from what I remember, and not for the better. Key spacing is also odd, and the flat keytops do nothing to help guide the finger to the target key. I also found typing on the keyboard very fatiguing - your fingers quickly hit rock bottom on the keystroke with a big thud.

I can't understand paying laptop prices for a desktop computer and getting a cruddy laptop keyboard in the bargain. This strikes me as an amazingly bad deal.

Absolutely not. Have you seen the pics of the mouse plugging into the keyboard? Apple did this so you didn't have an extra dongle sticking out the side of the keyboard. It's cleaner. You only see a cord. One less thing to snap off or bang against the side of a wall/chair/whatever.

I don't think you read what I actually wrote in my original message, so I'm gonna repeat it - the recessed, indented USB2 jacks on the new keyboard are very tight. There isn't room under there for most USB devices like flash drives to attach - they won't fit. You'll need a dongle. Anything that has a cord already - like a mouse - will likely fit, unless it sports a bulky connector.

I did like the way the mouse cord trailed out of the keyboard, that seemed kinda nice. But I'd rather have a wireless mouse, anyhow. To me the USB jacks on the keyboard are for attaching USB flash drives and the like, and for this function the new keyboard sucks compared to the keyboard on the white iMacs.

Fingerprints are even worse on matte screens.

Um, no, actually, they aren't. Fingerprints are clearly more visible on glossy surfaces. I have to look carefully to spot fingerprints and smudges on my 19" Samsung matte monitor. Fingerprints on glossy screens are readily visible from a good distance.

I thought we all learned this back in the days of CRT monitors, especially the ones with glossy tinted glass panels in front of the picture tube.

If you're in an environment sodden with flourescent lights/windows, then I agree. However, in most averagely-lit situations, it's perfectly fine.

Maybe if you live in your parents' unlit basement it would be OK, but a large monitor like the one on a 24" iMac can generate enough illumination of its own to make reflections and glare an issue even in a dark room. The glossy screen also screws up color rendition, and as I think I already mentioned the gray levels on this monitor were pretty crummy. Shockingly so.

Who the hell uses the internal speakers?!

Um, people who don't want their desktop and workspace cluttered up with speakers, cables, volume controls, power supplies and other junk. If I wanted that rat's nest of mismatched cables, I'd save $500 - $700 and just buy a desktop PC from Dell or HP.

You whine too much. ;)

No, I'm just not impressed by an already-outdated hardware "upgrade" and a visually unappealing (and in many cases impractical) design. In many if not most respects, the "new" iMac feels like a downgrade from the existing model, not an upgrade. The graphics card actually is a downgrade from what I can determine, and they've taken away the ability to replace it, the way you could in the existing 24" iMac.
 
From what I'm seeing here and elsewhere on the web, I don't think you can say "most" love the design. Seems like plenty are ambivalent about it, some like it, and some really, really hate it.

I too, was a nay sayer this afternoon when I was following the live Keynote. But I zipped down to the Apple Store on 5th this evening and let me tell yer, these things are pretty wowing. I was wowed. Just. Wow. :D

No seriously though, I think its a solid upgrade for the iMac (that keyboard is delish!). Especially replacing the 17". Big, huge upgrade.

For the record: I still have qualms about the paltry Mac mini "upgrade". C'mon Apple. Still rolling with 802.11g and Combo drives. A COMBO DRIVE??? Gosh, why dontcha just gimme some twigs and ask me to make a fire already? :mad:
 
I like them a lot!

Well, I purchased one tonight after sending my brother to an Apple Store that is near him. After reading all the bad stuff on here, I wanted someone I know to actually view the new Imac in person before I pulled the trigger. He said there was quite a line he had to wait through in order to check it out. He loved it. Said the pic quality on the screen was unbelieveable. He said there was a little glare, but he moved the screen a little and it was gone. Also very much liked the keyboard, the way it felt specifically. I cant wait to get this. Should be a huge upgrade from my 17" Imac G5 1.8 Ghz. Looking at sites like digg.com, it appears many people are very happy with this new machine. Everytime Apple has a change to the iMac, tons of people b*tch about the graphics card. Not the best option, I agree, but it is still going to be better than the GeForce FX 5200 with 64MB of VRAM that I currently have. I can't wait!! Also, I bought the 1st Gen G5 Imac and I remember that too had a lot of negativity as well when it first came out.
 
Key spacing is also odd, and the flat keytops do nothing to help guide the finger to the target key.
Key pitch is exactly AT standard. Measure it. Flat tops are a personal preference, but how do they do anything except guide the finger to the center of the chosen key? This is necessary on scissor-keys, but not on the new keyboard--key strikes do not need to be centered, thus there is no need for the concave suface and beveled edge.
I also found typing on the keyboard very fatiguing - your fingers quickly hit rock bottom on the keystroke with a big thud.
Then use less force. It takes more than 30 seconds to get used to, but it's hardly the end of the world. It's just different. Someone coming the other way would have the exact opposite complaint--it's too hard to push keys down on a standard keyboard. Is your keyboard too laborious?
Um, no, actually, they aren't. Fingerprints are clearly more visible on glossy surfaces. I have to look carefully to spot fingerprints and smudges on my 19" Samsung matte monitor. Fingerprints on glossy screens are readily visible from a good distance.
Are you talking about when the panels are turned on or off? Fingerprints on a matte panel turned off are just as noticeable as on a glossy panel. When turned on, fingerprints are more visible on the glossy panel at oblique angles, but are no more or less distracting to the user at the keyboard than on a matte surface (simple optics--finger oil has the exact same effect on a direct-view surface regardless of finish).
but a large monitor like the one on a 24" iMac can generate enough illumination of its own to make reflections and glare an issue even in a dark room.
That's just absurdly inaccurate. There is no way to produce reflections or glare along the same path as the light source in a dark room. Any glare produced would only be visible from oblique viewing angles.
 
Just go try it out. Seriously. Standing in front of both models extensively, anywhere there is a reflection on a glossy panel, there's also a reflection on the matte one (using the MBP as a reference). Neither one affects use when you're sitting at the computer.

Because of transmissive backlighting, the computer itself is brighter than all but the most intense and focused light sources that might be aimed at the display. A matte display will wash out in intense light and diffuse the spot across a larger area. A glossy display will show a reflection.

People condemn the displays based on a walk-by from five feet away instead of sitting right at one, adjusting it properly, and trying to use it. The 10-second jab is always easier. When the glossy panels first came to Macs, there was doom and gloom left and right. Then people actually used them and found their fears baseless. It bears absolutely no relation to the anti-glare screens for CRTs--the physics and optics are completely different, and people seem to have forgotten that the anti-glare screens were themselves glossy from oblique angles, too.
Nice post. My wife's little MacBook glossy screen is beautiful. I'd love to see a 24" one.
 
Looks good. Like the updates too. But what about the iPod HiFi update?
 

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Didn't read the whole thread, but I'm VERY, VERY happy with the updates. I ordered a 20" 2.4GHz model with 2GB RAM, 320GB HD, etc. Didn't get the wireless keyboard, as I already have an original bluetooth one. Gonna see how I like the wired version of the new keyboard first. I won't be getting mine for a while, as I have to send in a money order. (debit card has $500 limit)

Can't wait!!! Man, these things look amazing! :cool:

For those of you that have them already, do they have a power brick?? Just curious.
 
Anyone wish that the new iMac looked like the concept created by a MacRumors user a few weeks ago?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-d_CHY92Aw


He wasn't that far off, and his design was much better... and no structural reason it couldn't have been made.

But I am glad... makes my BlackBook the coolest Mac available... still!

I wish it looked like that too. :( Like you said, no reason it couldn't have been made exactly like that (apart from Multi-Touch of course). Oh well...
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but I'm VERY, VERY happy with the updates. I ordered a 20" 2.4GHz model with 2GB RAM, 320GB HD, etc. Didn't get the wireless keyboard, as I already have an original bluetooth one. Gonna see how I like the wired version of the new keyboard first. I won't be getting mine for a while, as I have to send in a money order. (debit card has $500 limit)

Can't wait!!! Man, these things look amazing! :cool:

For those of you that have them already, do they have a power brick?? Just curious.

I got your power brick hangin. Oh, and is your mother home?:)
 
That's definitely not the response I was expecting. :eek:

And for the record, yes she is. :D

Seriously though, anyone know?

We need to tap the break a little and see the reports. But your Mom needs to be ready at 6:00 pm tomorrow so I can pick her up and take her to Jack in the Box and then a iMac review of the new features.:)
 
That keyboard, whilst OKish for laptops, sucks for desktop.

Personally, I can't stand the MacBook keyboard, and that new iMac keyboard, obviously takes after the MacBook.

Whats with the giant spacing between each key anyway?

I am right with you. The macbook keyboard is impossible to type on; hell even the 1984 harddriveless apple had a better keyboard!
I think the best keyboard apple has made is the powerbook G4 keyboard...nice and springy, very fast keys, backlight, smooth.
 
I am right with you. The macbook keyboard is impossible to type on; hell even the 1984 harddriveless apple had a better keyboard!
I think the best keyboard apple has made is the powerbook G4 keyboard...nice and springy, very fast keys, backlight, smooth.

I disagree, now that I've used the MacBook Pro keyboard, the springy TiBook keyboard seems disconcerting, I feel like I'm going to break it.
 
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I am right with you. The macbook keyboard is impossible to type on; hell even the 1984 harddriveless apple had a better keyboard!
I think the best keyboard apple has made is the powerbook G4 keyboard...nice and springy, very fast keys, backlight, smooth.


Amen to that!

It's not that most of us don't like the new imac- it's just that it has no wow factor!

As for the keyboard- heaven spare us from apple peripherals! What were they thinking?
 
My money will be staying in the bank for awhile longer.

They could have put a couple of Expresscard 54 slots on the the case, especially on the 24" version. Then they could call it the iMac Pro. And I likely would have bought it.

I was thinking/hoping for the same thing. I think they should have an iMac Pro with an expresscard slot and kept the same white-chassis lineup.
 
That's a pretty huge leap in assumptions. didn't meet the deadline? What deadline? it was announced last week, they could have moved the deadline wherever they wanted.

They probably wanted to release it in time for back to school.

I'm sure the iphone has completely wrecked the schedule of a lot of Mac products. It just seems the last few announcements have been half-assed - like their R&D has been so obsessed with the iphone that everything else is suffering.

For crying out loud, the new iMac now looks like the iPhone!
 
Key pitch is exactly AT standard. Measure it. Flat tops are a personal preference, but how do they do anything except guide the finger to the center of the chosen key?

How would flat keys guide fingers to the center? You'd have to feel around them to find the edge before you could determine where the center is. That's why I prefer sculpted keys, which make it apparent from a single touch where the center of the key is at.

Then use less force. It takes more than 30 seconds to get used to, but it's hardly the end of the world.

I actually tried using less force, thinking it was like the keyboard on my Toshiba laptop at work. That didn't seem to work, either - the iMac started missing keystrokes.

It's easily the worst full-sized keyboard I've typed on for any length of time in a decade. At these prices, it ought to be the best - HP and Dell both ship cheaper systems with better keyboards, as does Sony.

When turned on, fingerprints are more visible on the glossy panel at oblique angles, but are no more or less distracting to the user at the keyboard than on a matte surface (simple optics--finger oil has the exact same effect on a direct-view surface regardless of finish).

I found the grime very distracting on the iMac's screen. It's so wide a lot of that screen is at a pretty oblique angle unless you're sitting pretty far back.

That's just absurdly inaccurate. There is no way to produce reflections or glare along the same path as the light source in a dark room. Any glare produced would only be visible from oblique viewing angles.

Maybe if you were staring into a laser beam, but the iMac's monitor is a) really wide and b) really big and the light coming out it covers a wide angle off-axis. So it isn't just illuminating you - light spills out to all sides, and up and down, and reflects off of everything, including your desk and the white keyboard sitting on it. In a dark room, that's more than enough to cause reflections and potentially a bit of glare.

Again, glossy screens suck. The ideal screen would be pitch black and have no reflectivity whatsoever. Manufacturers are using these glossy screens because they improve the apparently black levels, contrast and color saturation of LCD monitors. But the trade offs in color fidelity, glare and reflections just aren't worth it - especially not since LCD black levels and color continue to improve anyhow as the technology advances. The only place I could see using glossy screens are in pitch black screening rooms upholstered in dark fabric.
 
Someone hit the nail on the head when they said that the new iMac looks like a dell cinema screen. When i looked at the new design, i asked myself "where have a seen that before?".

Gaming is so huge these days. With all the announcements about Macs and gaming, why would they put a half-assed 3d accelerator in? I find it surprising that they've gone ATI when they have NVIDIA in their new MBPs. They should give customers the option of having a better graphics accelerator.

I was thinking about buying an iMac. If I do, it will be the older, white unit.
 
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