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New iMacs Released
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Using a CRT might make it a bit cheaper. There used to be a link deep down on the apple site that would lead you to a very basic imac, after they discontinued the emac. I don't know if anybody else noticed. You could buy ibook g4's there too, the last of their stock I guess (they were discontinued and took of the rest of the site).
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So with the glass and the glossy, if I sit it next to a window (not facing the
window, not facing away from window, but perpendicular), it's asking
for trouble?
As Apple continues to grow, the "iconic and revolutionary" desings will be fewer and farther between. We're talking about case design here, the least functional part of a computer. I mean, it's a monitor on a stand, what else do you want? I'd prefer they continue to grow and become more mainstream, instead of remain a tiny niche that only emo-punks and old-farts use.
I have to admit that at first glance of the pics online, I wasn't too terribly impressed with these new iMacs, but after actually seeing them in person at the Apple Store last night, I now like them pretty well. And based on what you now get for the price, they're definitely a better value than the previous models were, so they aren't so bad IMO. As with most new Mac designs, it sometimes takes just a little bit of time for them to grow on me, and this new iMac is no exception. I'm sure I'll end up getting one of the 20" models sometime in the next few months.
Although I still like the white, I feel they needed to make a change. The aluminum is not new for them, it's just new for this line. I know the basic shape and design looks the same, but there's a lot more to it. More metal, only some plastic and they are going for a new look. They already have a black iPod and Macbook, I think they are going to stick to these three colors going forward, Aluminum look (as a color), black and white. Now all of their products have matching items:
Black/White Macbook
Macbook Pro's
Black/White iPods/iPod Nano
iPhone (silver/black/glass, the new iPhone looks like the offspring of this new iMac)
Mac Pro
iMac
I love the look and I think everyone will warm up to it in time. I love the keyboard, it looks fantastic. Remember that the 'white' look goes pretty far back, even with the G5 iMac's and original iPod.
My only complaint is the video card choice, why so underpowered? The 2600 Pro on the 24" is like a $90 card. I realize the new AMD/ATI part has support for HD Video playback and some other features, but for anything else it's slow. They put a really slow 2600 Pro to drive a 24" LCD at 1920x1200? Ugh. That's not going to run any games natively, it will struggle even with World of Warcraft at the native res.
They should have AT LEAST put a 2900 XT in there and then put a 8800GTX/Ultra or new Nvidia part (Fall part) in the update for the Mac Pro. This will keep the Mac Pro ahead of the iMac, since the 8800GTX beats out the 2900.
I'm going to wait until the next refresh of the iMac and see what they do. If they can get more games going on the mac, they might sell more since many gamers skip the mac and get a PC. With Gears of War, Unreal Tournament 3 and id Software's new game coming for the Mac, they better get up to snuff on the GPU. The rest is fine, plenty of CPU.
<-- now has new meaning with the new iMac black apple on the chin.
Black/White Macbook
Macbook Pro's
Black/White iPods/iPod Nano
iPhone (silver/black/glass, the new iPhone looks like the offspring of this new iMac)
Mac Pro
iMac
I love the look and I think everyone will warm up to it in time. I love the keyboard, it looks fantastic. Remember that the 'white' look goes pretty far back, even with the G5 iMac's and original iPod.
My only complaint is the video card choice, why so underpowered? The 2600 Pro on the 24" is like a $90 card. I realize the new AMD/ATI part has support for HD Video playback and some other features, but for anything else it's slow. They put a really slow 2600 Pro to drive a 24" LCD at 1920x1200? Ugh. That's not going to run any games natively, it will struggle even with World of Warcraft at the native res.
They should have AT LEAST put a 2900 XT in there and then put a 8800GTX/Ultra or new Nvidia part (Fall part) in the update for the Mac Pro. This will keep the Mac Pro ahead of the iMac, since the 8800GTX beats out the 2900.
I'm going to wait until the next refresh of the iMac and see what they do. If they can get more games going on the mac, they might sell more since many gamers skip the mac and get a PC. With Gears of War, Unreal Tournament 3 and id Software's new game coming for the Mac, they better get up to snuff on the GPU. The rest is fine, plenty of CPU.
<-- now has new meaning with the new iMac black apple on the chin.One other thing that I happened to think of- I guess the sleep light is gone now, because of the metal case, correct? Is the ambient light sensor still there? I thought the sleep light was cool, but maybe I'm just nerdy, hehe.
You guys are incredible! We are talking about an iMac here. Why you always hope for a Mac Pro on an iMac enclosure. You don't want a new iMac you want a new iMac Pro. That's not going to happen! The New iMac looks a LOT better than the old one, it fit the iPhone style as the white iMac fit the iPod. This will be a new era for Apple, and the black border looks great! stylish! I think Apple it's thinking more commercial now, and I like it. I remember the days when Apple were always listening to us (the Fans)... doing that keep Apple with a 5% of the market. Now that percent is growing... but it's not because of us this time, it because the switchers, the people that used to like PCs and now are becoming Mac users. Remember that for PC users their PCs are just tools and for Mac users Macs are parts of our lives, since Steve is listening to switchers Apple it's going up FASTER. Let's stop whining and start supporting Apple Inc. This iMac will be the start of a new overall look on avery Apple Inc. product. Steve will be working on Post-PC devices as he told on that "All Things Digital" interview with Bill Gates a couple of months ago, More things like the iPhone will come, and Macs will be for two kind of people, iMacs for family, home office and/or students and Mac Pros for Professionals. If you want something on between you are in the middle of nothing in your life, either you are or are not a Pro you can be a more or less a Pro thats not a real business person. So an iMac will fit. If you can't buy a Mac Pro then you are not really in Business you just do a couple of freelance stuff now and then and if you just want a Mac but an iMac it's too expensive for your budget and a Mac Pro it's too much then you deserve a Mac mini, Apple Inc. got something for everyone. This iMac is too much for an iMac, for me it's the best iMac ever! Anyone can replace their PowerMacs G5 for this 24" BrushMetal iMac and will be getting a lot more. So... Stop acting like babies and start using your brains. It's not the look this time that was the job of the first iMac, now every PC comes in colors and with nice shapes, today it's the machine vs machine, quality will win. and the new iMac kill any other family, home office and/or students PC out there!
I have to agree with the posters that say he is going after the PC crowd. I have never had a Mac and I will be getting this new one. I am sick and tired of the PC and the crappy OS as well as the 2000 features of office I don't use yet have to pay for.
This reminds of when the new BMW 5 series was released. Everyone tried to say they hated and guess what? It set sales records every year outselling the old one by a ton. This will do the same thing. Jobs hit a homerun and will capture more and more of the PC market. The fact that I can buy a computer that looks good and spend $79 (iWork) and another $99 (.Mac) and have everything I need is awesome.
On a sidenote I am a little pissed that Jobs must have broken into my house and took a picture of my PC with all those wires coming out of the back and put it in his presentation.
This reminds of when the new BMW 5 series was released. Everyone tried to say they hated and guess what? It set sales records every year outselling the old one by a ton. This will do the same thing. Jobs hit a homerun and will capture more and more of the PC market. The fact that I can buy a computer that looks good and spend $79 (iWork) and another $99 (.Mac) and have everything I need is awesome.
On a sidenote I am a little pissed that Jobs must have broken into my house and took a picture of my PC with all those wires coming out of the back and put it in his presentation.
So, sorry for not wading through 600 posts of people complaining about the iMac, but has anyone found out if the CPU could be replaced?
That is, if you aren't afraid to open the thing up and are pretty handy with a screwdriver? Is the CPU soldered on or otherwise very difficult to access?
And if so, what is likely to work in the existing socket? Both currently, and future CPUs that are likely to work?
I'm kind of imagining getting a low-end iMac and eventually swapping in a Quad-core something-or-another... Hmmm... Cooling might be an issue, even if I could slap one in...
That is, if you aren't afraid to open the thing up and are pretty handy with a screwdriver? Is the CPU soldered on or otherwise very difficult to access?
And if so, what is likely to work in the existing socket? Both currently, and future CPUs that are likely to work?
I'm kind of imagining getting a low-end iMac and eventually swapping in a Quad-core something-or-another... Hmmm... Cooling might be an issue, even if I could slap one in...
Woke Up This Morning Thinking "Man Those New iMacs Are Butt Ugly."
Was Ivy On Vacation? What's up with that Ring Of Black? No more Matt Screens? Crazy Baby.
The picture of all that cable mess coming out of a Dell was completely unfair and inaccurate. With the computer on the floor there are only three cables coming up to the desk, one for the keyboard-mouse (plugged into the keyboard), one for the screen (or more for multiple screens) and one for the superior speaker system. The argument that customers only want all-in-ones is really weak - especially in light of new sub $1K Quad Core Intels from HP with screens included albeit no OS X.
I really think the old Ivory models with Matt screens look much better. I think that black border around the screen is what disturbs me most of all. I don't understand its purpose. It can't be aesthetics because it doesn't work at all aesthetically.
I noticed Steve said that the FW800 was "for the first time" when in fact it was the first time on the last model. I checked. So what's up with misspeaking about a new first that is not a new first?
Anyway when I look at the refurbished 24" for $1,449 that can see up to 3GB and runs @ 2.16GHz it looks like a bargain to me. Graphics may be a little weak. But it's still strong enough to drive an external 24" DELL or 23" ACD HD. The Ivory model looks a lot cleaner to me. Plus it has a matt screen which I think is a much better way to go. God forbid all the new Apple Cinema Displays are Glossy Only.
I feel like I'm living in an Apple nightmare. I just don't get it.
Was Ivy On Vacation? What's up with that Ring Of Black? No more Matt Screens? Crazy Baby.
The picture of all that cable mess coming out of a Dell was completely unfair and inaccurate. With the computer on the floor there are only three cables coming up to the desk, one for the keyboard-mouse (plugged into the keyboard), one for the screen (or more for multiple screens) and one for the superior speaker system. The argument that customers only want all-in-ones is really weak - especially in light of new sub $1K Quad Core Intels from HP with screens included albeit no OS X.
I really think the old Ivory models with Matt screens look much better. I think that black border around the screen is what disturbs me most of all. I don't understand its purpose. It can't be aesthetics because it doesn't work at all aesthetically.
I noticed Steve said that the FW800 was "for the first time" when in fact it was the first time on the last model. I checked. So what's up with misspeaking about a new first that is not a new first?
Anyway when I look at the refurbished 24" for $1,449 that can see up to 3GB and runs @ 2.16GHz it looks like a bargain to me. Graphics may be a little weak. But it's still strong enough to drive an external 24" DELL or 23" ACD HD. The Ivory model looks a lot cleaner to me. Plus it has a matt screen which I think is a much better way to go. God forbid all the new Apple Cinema Displays are Glossy Only.
I feel like I'm living in an Apple nightmare. I just don't get it.
Yes it will.
The iMac has a DVI port that will allow you to plug in almost any digital monitor. If your monitor has an old VGA connection, you'll have to buy a small adapter from Apple.
The iMac supports spanning (where your desktop becomes twice as wide across the two displays) and mirroring (where the information on the iMac's screen is mirrored on the external display.)
Brilliant machine, just ordered the 24inch, 2.4 ghz after an almost half a year wait for the new model. For everyone complaining, there's only so much you can do with a computer and what Apple have got is the best you can do with large screens, the lamp look of the G4s would just not work with a 24inch screen.
I also love the design of the black outline and the light-coloured metal, looks very slick in person and indeed does hark back to some "retro" pieces of technology which is very in vogue, but whilst doing this manages to look super-modern. Great stuff!
I also love the design of the black outline and the light-coloured metal, looks very slick in person and indeed does hark back to some "retro" pieces of technology which is very in vogue, but whilst doing this manages to look super-modern. Great stuff!
I believe that the new iMac supports a new type of mirroring too...just place the iMac close to any bright light source and stare at the (NEWSUPERDUPERYETCOMPLETELYPOINTLESS) glossy screen.
How long till a 3rd party manufacturer starts producing snap on anti-glare filters like you got in the 80/90's for CRTS...?
Notice the white keys on the keyboard do not really match the dark design of the rest of the iMac - even the Apple has turned black. I think it would work better to have black keys. Of course then the Mighty Mouse would need to go black as well.
I was coming in to say the same. I think the look would be much better unified if they went back to black keyboard and mouse like the early G4 days. Those are easier to keep clean than the white ones anyways.
I am not walking by a glossy screen.. I have two white iMacs on my desk and a window with blinds and trees outside. The screen is fine. And whomever commented about the matte ones showing finger prints. Hey these are not touch screen computers!!!!??? Next to me I also have a MacBook with a glossy screen. I see the trees, the blinds, the cars go by and even my pretty face when I refocus. I am using both and I know which I prefer. Now in a dark room.....when I am all alone..the glossy screen is fine and works great with one hand
Um yes, they absolutely are. Fingerprints on a glossy screen are easy enough to remove, but good luck taking fingerprints off of a matte screen. You need special cleaner, and even with said cleaner, you'll likely still see the prints. They're absolutely a nightmare when the screen is off.
I don't think so. If you've ever - ever used a Macbook with a glossy screen, you'd know that the gloss is rarely a glare issue. Haven't you read any of the reviews from Macbook owners with glossy screens? They (almost) all say the same thing. It isn't an issue unless you happen to be sitting in the "sweet spot" for glare. In which case, a slight re-adjustment fixes the problem. In terms of color rendition, again, it's personal preference. Some people argue that because the individual pixels are less viewable, it's more difficult to calibrate/use professionally. Others say the gloss improves perceived color saturation and contrast ratio (which is true, if you're looking at a matte and gloss screen side by side, the gloss will "pop" more).
It's only a rats nest if you make it one. One cable going to a subwoofer, and one cable going to each of the individual speakers. I have mine in the corner of my ceiling, with tape & paint perfectly hiding the wiring. On my office desk, the wires are tucked behind the desk. One cable tie keeps everything neat and tidy. If you use the internal speakers on your computer and expect them to be any more than even quasi decent, you're a complete idiot. It would be like using your TV speakers in a home theatre. Next.
The video card is definitely a downgrade. Everything else is an upgrade. More RAM, Bigger hard drives. Faster processors. Better software. Your opinion about what is and what's not "visually appealing" doesn't merit a specific generation of computer a "downgrade".
so, I'm really tempted to get one of the $1499 20" iMacs...I think they look awesome, and they look even better in person! The only conundrum I have now is whether to wait until Leopard comes out to get it, or just bite the bullet and do it now. I've been in the market for a new desktop for a little while now, though I've been content with my 1st rev. BlackBook. I'd like to have a dedicated desktop to run all my music recording/notation apps, and have my BlackBook be a satellite to do my stuff when I'm not home.
Decisions, decisions!
Decisions, decisions!
It's ugly. It's uninspired.
Just look at the white plastic mouse next to the rest of the unit.
I'll be looking for the refurbished previous generation.
Just look at the white plastic mouse next to the rest of the unit.
I'll be looking for the refurbished previous generation.
They don't have LED backlights.
I just can't decide to get the higher 24" or the lower! I can add my own ram, I'm not worried about that (now that Apple has decided to put in 1x1GB - THANK YOU APPLE!). The 500GB drive is also great. Just not sure what to buy. I will probably go with what they have available in the store. Anyone know if the b&m stores are carrying the C2E? Or is that an online option only?
I just can't decide to get the higher 24" or the lower! I can add my own ram, I'm not worried about that (now that Apple has decided to put in 1x1GB - THANK YOU APPLE!). The 500GB drive is also great. Just not sure what to buy. I will probably go with what they have available in the store. Anyone know if the b&m stores are carrying the C2E? Or is that an online option only?
Woohoo! I'm so excited. I put in a backorder with MacMall (they have a $100 rebate) for the 2.8GHz 24" iMac. Can't wait for it to arrive.
I was disappointed that the wireless keyboard didn't have the number pad, so I went all wired for the keyboard/mouse. At least I won't have to worry about batteries.
I'm also not sold on the glossy screen, but I think when I get it, I'll be more than pleased.
I was disappointed that the wireless keyboard didn't have the number pad, so I went all wired for the keyboard/mouse. At least I won't have to worry about batteries.
I'm also not sold on the glossy screen, but I think when I get it, I'll be more than pleased.
So is this a new feature? You couldn't use previous iMacs as regular displays for other computers before could you?
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