New Images of iPad Air 2 Parts Show Touch ID Home Button Cable, Logic Board With A8X Chip, and More

[Tech198]

Looks like a RAM to me only with an stubby antenna..

I never thought Apple still did these...... Aren't traces on the board common now-days ? Maybe to improve reception, but that would be it.

Kind of reminds me of the old Nokia days. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Nokia_3110.jpg

 

[Terrin]

Apple watch is no where near the mass production stage. So it is much easier for Apple to keep it secret.

However, rumours of Apple watch is all over the internet. We just haven't seen real product just yet. But there is a leak on the fram of the watch I believe

Apple did a great job keeping the Mac Pro secret. I suspect that is because it is manufactured in the US.

 

[iPadDad]

I would like to know what people make of the ram on the picture?

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Apple did a great job keeping the Mac Pro secret. I suspect that is because it is manufactured in the US.

True and small scale production.

 

[Max(IT)]

When I mentioned complaints, I was talking specifically about the safari tab reloads. But you knew that, and tried to downplay the large volume of complaints about this very issue.

In unquestionably jumping to apple's defense, you complained about absurdly heavy websites. So in response, I made a second video with macrumors and walmart.com, which are much lighter than the original video. But the thing is, I still had reload issues - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pEgZ-SIVI

Would you care to explain how your video somehow invalidates my video? You can do those things on a fresh reboot of the Air - Great, I probably could as well. But use it for a day or two, and BOOM - tab reloads with ONLY safari running. And that is the main complaint that I, and MANY others have. Heck, I went to my office to type these responses, because I had ZERO faith that going between youtube and a macrumors tab would allow me to retain what I had typed.

Your iPad could be defective, or the video "set up" to obtain those tabs reloads.... that's actually what I think you have done.

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Yup. I chuckled when someone here mentioned Apple apologists will change their minds and implied the forum will be full of people singing praises of Apple going to 2GB RAM. NO. What will happen is there'll be other issues that'll get all the attention.

I know it because we lived through this with other products. There weren't much praises of the iPad 2 or the iPad 3 having more RAM than the previous versions. RAM was even more important because we had so little back then but when it was released, there was very little praises on the increased RAM. Instead the forum was full of angry users wondering why this generation of Apple product is so terrible.

Remember the iPad 2 lighting problem? No one does at this point. But here's a 171 page thread discussing the issue. It was everywhere.This is just one thread. The iPad 2 was indeed doomed and Apple screwed it up, until the next generation. Then suddenly the iPad 2 was great whereas the iPad 3 is terrible because it has a host of problems. The cycle will continue on.

This does not mean the RAM issue is not real. For many I'm sure it's aggravating and important. However as always the importance gets blown up as an issue is chosen as "the" issue of the day. With more RAM, there'll be other complaints just as shrill. RAM is merely the topic of this year.

On a somewhat related note, I post this link all the time but Macrumors' reaction on the iPod from 2001 pretty much sums up what'll happen every time Apple introduces something.

Exactly.
Haters gonna hate.
That doesn't going to change over the time.
This forum is a nest of whiners never seen in other places on the net.
Maybe it's just high level expectations on Apple products,i don't know.
The whole story about image retention was almost funny: people keeping iPads showing the same fixed image at full brightness for minutes complaining about the image retention! You can find something like that only on MR

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Yes you do.

I just picked up my iPad. 28 updates. I clicked on update all, and it popped up a requester box asking for my password.

That's not happening on my iPad nor on my iPhone.... What iOS version are you running???

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To be honest, I had exactly the same experience. I had 2 tabs open on Dolphin Browser and I typed a reply for the MR forum and wanted to Google something in the second tab. When I came back to tab one, it was reloaded and everything I have written was gone.

We know you are enthusiastic about Apple. That's fine. But don't stick your head into the sand and ignore obvious flaws.

Since I proved with several videos (here I showed just one, but in the original thread there were a couple other) that the issue isn't happening for all of us, I'm not doing anything into the sand.
I don't know about Dolphin (my daily driver is mercury), but I can surely keep more than two tabs opened with safari without reloads.
Do you ever restart your iPad from time to time? Do you close unused apps in background?
I don't know your usage...

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Wow, what a clear, well balanced post.

The only thing I'd add is that I'm pretty confident that Apple has a well qualified engineering team who are much more deeply aware of what limits performance than anyone on this forum. Their goal is to make the best use of our dollars-- if they get it wrong then Samsung runs ads and people change platforms.

They have $X, Y cubic mm, and Z Watt hours of battery. Better believe they're working hard to make the best use of all three... They may be optimizing to different priorities than any one person complaining, but they certainly aren't overlooking something obvious.

Don't you know? Apple only hire amateurs.
All the brilliant hardware and software engineers are too busy trolling this forum
Ooops, almost forgotten: there are several also working for Samsung

 

[Piggie]

What can be done to STRONGLY encourage devs to actually use the power of new iPads ?

Is backwards compatibility going to end up being a large problem?

Would the PS4, or Xbox1 for example be getting as good software as they do, if they ran old games, and devs wanted to make sure their games ran on the PS3 and PS2 also, so dare not take full advantage of the PS4 ?

Is there ever a time to draw a line in the sand and say. Ok, This console/Tablet needs fresh software specifically written for it?

Do you need to do that, every few years?

 

[Max(IT)]

Apple did a great job keeping the Mac Pro secret. I suspect that is because it is manufactured in the US.

Yep. Not having to relay on Chinese factory did help.

 

[Max(IT)]

What can be done to STRONGLY encourage devs to actually use the power of new iPads ?

Is backwards compatibility going to end up being a large problem?

Would the PS4, or Xbox1 for example be getting as good software as they do, if they ran old games, and devs wanted to make sure their games ran on the PS3 and PS2 also, so dare not take full advantage of the PS4 ?

Is there ever a time to draw a line in the sand and say. Ok, This console/Tablet needs fresh software specifically written for it?

Do you need to do that, every few years?

You can't apply console policy on a tablet.
Game consoles are released every 6+ years, they have a very different lifespan and they can actually get rid of backward compatibility. They also have a single specific purpose.
On a tablet you have to guarantee backward compatibility to preserve customers' purchases.

 

[Piggie]

Y

That's not happening on my iPad nor on my iPhone.... What iOS version are you running???

iOS 5.1.1

 

[donnaw]

Your iPad could be defective, or the video "set up" to obtain those tabs reloads.... that's actually what I think you have done.

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Exactly.
Haters gonna hate.
That doesn't going to change over the time.
This forum is a nest of whiners never seen in other places on the net.
Maybe it's just high level expectations on Apple products,i don't know.
The whole story about image retention was almost funny: people keeping iPads showing the same fixed image at full brightness for minutes complaining about the image retention! You can find something like that only on MR

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That's not happening on my iPad nor on my iPhone.... What iOS version are you running???

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Since I proved with several videos (here I showed just one, but in the original thread there were a couple other) that the issue isn't happening for all of us, I'm not doing anything into the sand.
I don't know about Dolphin (my daily driver is mercury), but I can surely keep more than two tabs opened with safari without reloads.
Do you ever restart your iPad from time to time? Do you close unused apps in background?
I don't know your usage...

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Don't you know? Apple only hire amateurs.
All the brilliant hardware and software engineers are too busy trolling this forum
Ooops, almost forgotten: there are several also working for Samsung

1). I too get reloads using Safari on my iPad. Sometimes when only 2 tabs are open. Usually using 3. I'm glad you don't have the issue but many of us do. If RAM won't solve the issue (as many posting here claim) then EXACTLY what will? I've read that software optimization will do it. Well, then Apple needs to get off their collective a$$es and optimize their own apps.

As for restarting my iPad or closing apps, actually yes, I reboot about once a day (unfortunately it's usually due to a frozen app), I do however, clear out my multitask all the time, especially when browsing. And I note, Apple tells us we shouldn't have to do this.

2). Re: asking for password for updates - I don't have to enter my password for updates on my iPad. But I do have to enter the password on my grandkids' iPads (that are hand-me-downs from me and are still tied to my Apple ID so I can buy them apps). I'm pretty sure this is because I have restrictions applied to their iPads.

 

[Max(IT)]

iOS 5.1.1

Welcome in 2014 dude...

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1). I too get reloads using Safari on my iPad. Sometimes when only 2 tabs are open. Usually using 3. I'm glad you don't have the issue but many of us do. If RAM won't solve the issue (as many posting here claim) then EXACTLY what will? I've read that software optimization will do it. Well, then Apple needs to get off their collective a$$es and optimize their own apps.

As for restarting my iPad or closing apps, actually yes, I reboot about once a day (unfortunately it's usually due to a frozen app), I do however, clear out my multitask all the time, especially when browsing. And I note, Apple tells us we shouldn't have to do this.

2). Re: asking for password for updates - I don't have to enter my password for updates on my iPad. But I do have to enter the password on my grandkids' iPads (that are hand-me-downs from me and are still tied to my Apple ID so I can buy them apps). I'm pretty sure this is because I have restrictions applied to their iPads.

Do I have a magic iPad? I don't think so....

http://youtu.be/a4a7qwnitIQ

 

[Piggie]

Welcome in 2014 dude...

Indeed, and why I am thinking of a new tablet.

My only general issue is the bordom factor of an iPad, as I've been to the stores, looked at the iPad Air, and I use my iPad one, and in reality, it's looks just the same as my iPad1

it's thinner, not really important.
Nicer screen yes, but my screen was never BAD.

The new one is no bigger, probably worse quality sound, It just leaves me giving a big sigh that 4 or 5 years later I'd buy the new one, put apps back onto it, and be just as bored with it as I am my current iPad.

I'd just like something NEW in some way.

 

[Max(IT)]

Indeed, and why I am thinking of a new tablet.

My only general issue is the bordom factor of an iPad, as I've been to the stores, looked at the iPad Air, and I use my iPad one, and in reality, it's looks just the same as my iPad1

it's thinner, not really important.
Nicer screen yes, but my screen was never BAD.

The new one is no bigger, probably worse quality sound, It just leaves me giving a big sigh that 4 or 5 years later I'd buy the new one, put apps back onto it, and be just as bored with it as I am my current iPad.

I'd just like something NEW in some way.

Well, going from an iPad 1 to the iPad air is an HUGE jump.
Just wait for the air 2 and it will be even better.
The password request was changed since iOS 7, IIRC.

 

[Piggie]

Well, going from an iPad 1 to the iPad air is an HUGE jump.
Just wait for the air 2 and it will be even better.
The password request was changed since iOS 7, IIRC.

I know the new iPad2 will be specced better, faster, thinner etc.

But can you understand when I say, it's just the same old device?

If I held one from a few feet away with the screen on, you'd not see any difference.

It's as if Apple had an idea on day one, and have never moved on.
It was perfect on day 1 apparently.

I know it's technically better specs wise, but it's still at it's roots the same device, same UI, same useless speaker system etc.

I was just hoping by NOW they would of improved it fundamentally

 

[Max(IT)]

I know the new iPad2 will be specced better, faster, thinner etc.

But can you understand when I say, it's just the same old device?

If I held one from a few feet away with the screen on, you'd not see any difference.

It's as if Apple had an idea on day one, and have never moved on.
It was perfect on day 1 apparently.

I know it's technically better specs wise, but it's still at it's roots the same device, same UI, same useless speaker system etc.

I was just hoping by NOW they would of improved it fundamentally

If you can't find differences from your display and a retina, from the TouchID implementation and from a much powerful SoC, well I can't help you.
I actually don't know what are you speaking about.
Do you expect holographic display?

The iPad actually improved enormously from first iPad.

 

[donnaw]

Welcome in 2014 dude...

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Do I have a magic iPad? I don't think so....

http://youtu.be/a4a7qwnitIQ

I don't really care if you have a 'magic ipad' or not. All I can report is that I too am having safari reload issues. And I am not the only person. My husband almost threw his iPad across the room yesterday due to reloads.

The problem I have with your posts is that you completely discount those of us who are having the issues. Do you think we all are lying?? For exactly what purpose would we lie about it!

Whether it's a Safari code issue, a low RAM issue doesn't matter to me. My browsing (and browsing for many others) most certainly is not a good user experience. And frankly I would appreciate it if you would stop calling all of us liars.

 

[Tycho24]

I know the new iPad2 will be specced better, faster, thinner etc.

But can you understand when I say, it's just the same old device?

If I held one from a few feet away with the screen on, you'd not see any difference.

It's as if Apple had an idea on day one, and have never moved on.
It was perfect on day 1 apparently.

I know it's technically better specs wise, but it's still at it's roots the same device, same UI, same useless speaker system etc.

I was just hoping by NOW they would of improved it fundamentally

I read your posts carefully, yet unsure what you want...
It sounds like you're saying you just want it to LOOK different. Which seems really weird to me, as the rectangular screen can't really be changed... it's the internals that can (& have!) be upgraded. The Air is over 10x faster than your iPad 1, certainly that is noticeable no matter what you're doing. The RAM has increased a fourfold... I assure you that is noticeable. The 4x more pixels & thinner/lighter, though hardly "necessary", are pleasant.
I guess I'm having difficulty understanding why, when using it, it would obviously be SUCH a better experience- the bizarre hangup on it needing to look discernably different from a few feet away?? That seems like the most superficial & least important point I can imagine regarding a tablet upgrade.
Oh... & up until the Air- iPads had one speaker grille to the right of the charger & a 2nd on the left for mic. On the Air, the charging port is flanked by two speakers... it sounds significantly better.

 

[Max(IT)]

I don't really care if you have a 'magic ipad' or not. All I can report is that I too am having safari reload issues. And I am not the only person. My husband almost threw his iPad across the room yesterday due to reloads.

The problem I have with your posts is that you completely discount those of us who are having the issues. Do you think we all are lying?? For exactly what purpose would we lie about it!

Whether it's a Safari code issue, a low RAM issue doesn't matter to me. My browsing (and browsing for many others) most certainly is not a good user experience. And frankly I would appreciate it if you would stop calling all of us liars.

I actually don't care if you are a liar or not.
I just demonstrated that on a normal iPad you can browse up to four normal heavy webpages without any reloads.
Do you have a defective unit? Aren't you able to properly use it? Are you a liar?
I don't know and I don't care.
I just wanted to demonstrate that it's not AN iPad issue but more YOUR iPad issue, for whatever reason.

 

[Cinch]

2.5 year life span of iPad

I brought 3rd Gen iPad, March 2012, when it first came out. I loved it and continues to love it. I am a heavy user, averaging many hours each day.

It has gotten progressively slower with each iOS update. I still get good battery hours. A Netflix marathon is still doable, but I am pushing it. It is running like an old dog now, I am afraid.

I can't wait for the new one to come out. I am not sure I can hang on until the mythical ipad pro to come out.

The charge/discharge battery cycle is in the 900th, which is near the 1000 mark. It is not lasting as long as it should. I am approaching the red line more often.

It is time.

 

[Count Blah]

Your iPad could be defective, or the video "set up" to obtain those tabs reloads.... that's actually what I think you have done.

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Please explain "set up".

I NEVER stated it happens every time. But you would have to be a complete idiot to type in a lot of text into a forum post and do research in another tab. You run the risk of losing your work EVERY TIME you go to another tab. And that is what I captured with only safari running with two tabs. And be totally honest, who really closes down every other app before going to the next?

So what is your acceptable % of total loss of work in this situation? 50% 25% 10%? Where do you draw the line?

And that is just with forum posts. You have plenty of other complaints with tab reloads - losing your spot in a page, streaming posts/updates push the item you were looking at to another page, etc...

If you want to accept having a poor browsing experience on THE device Apple has always touted as the ultimate internet consumption machine, then that's on you and your willful acceptance of less.

BTW - How does one "set up" a video like that? The simple answer is to USE the iPad, that is how.

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I don't really care if you have a 'magic ipad' or not. All I can report is that I too am having safari reload issues. And I am not the only person. My husband almost threw his iPad across the room yesterday due to reloads.

The problem I have with your posts is that you completely discount those of us who are having the issues. Do you think we all are lying?? For exactly what purpose would we lie about it!

Whether it's a Safari code issue, a low RAM issue doesn't matter to me. My browsing (and browsing for many others) most certainly is not a good user experience. And frankly I would appreciate it if you would stop calling all of us liars.

Thanks. I've had to deal with this attitude since the air was released. His video proves nothing, other than a freshly rebooted ipad can retain tabs in RAM more so than one that has been running for a while.

That poster is not the only one basically calling others liars and coupling us with the nutters.

Keep retelling your experiences, it's the only way of getting the issue addressed.

Hopefully your husband has learned that interaction on a forum can not reliably be done on the Air, and that you are forced to go use a computer to guarantee you do not lose all your work.

 

[Sodner]

A8X, ac networking, 8mp camera and 2Gb ram have me very interested. If it has the new Retina HD display like the new iPhones I'm in.

 

[donnaw]

Please explain "set up".

I NEVER stated it happens every time. But you would have to be a complete idiot to type in a lot of text into a forum post and do research in another tab. You run the risk of losing your work EVERY TIME you go to another tab. And that is what I captured with only safari running with two tabs. And be totally honest, who really closes down every other app before going to the next?

So what is your acceptable % of total loss of work in this situation? 50% 25% 10%? Where do you draw the line?

And that is just with forum posts. You have plenty of other complaints with tab reloads - losing your spot in a page, streaming posts/updates push the item you were looking at to another page, etc...

If you want to accept having a poor browsing experience on THE device Apple has always touted as the ultimate internet consumption machine, then that's on you and your willful acceptance of less.

BTW - How does one "set up" a video like that? The simple answer is to USE the iPad, that is how.

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Thanks. I've had to deal with this attitude since the air was released. His video proves nothing, other than a freshly rebooted ipad can retain tabs in RAM more so than one that has been running for a while.

That poster is not the only one basically calling others liars and coupling us with the nutters.

Keep retelling your experiences, it's the only way of getting the issue addressed.

Hopefully your husband has learned that interaction on a forum can not reliably be done on the Air, and that you are forced to go use a computer to guarantee you do not lose all your work.

Oh I've been pretty vocal on this issue for a while. I know two things:

1). Neither my iPad nor my husband's ipad are defective. That would be just too coincidental that two iPads, bought at different times have the same defect and that defect only affects tabbed browsing.

2). I am not a liar.

As far as I see it it's down to bad code (as some had professed) in Safari or lack of RAM. Frankly I'm betting on lack of RAM since I never had the issue on previous iPads and I'm sure the devs at Apple would not leave bad code in for this long.

So whatever the cause it's in Apple's court to fix it. There have been multiple threads here and on Apple forums complaining about the issue. It is not limited to just a 'few whiners'.

Let me add, I have given up on discussing the issue with a few posters here who seem to wear blinders. I suggest you do so too. Much easier on the blood pressure. I'm normally pretty easy going. One thing that gets me riled is being called a liar (or seeing someone else called out for something I know to be true). So I find it easier to simply not participate.

 

[Renzatic]

That poster is not the only one basically calling others liars and coupling us with the nutters.

Don't worry, you and DonnaW aren't the only ones to experience this. For some reason, there are a few people out here in internet land who are a little too overly sensitive about even the most minor of criticisms about their favorite things.

If I don't have any other apps open in the background, I can have about 3-4 tabs up without it constantly having to reload them every time I click on one. But if I'm using anything even remotely heavy, it'll do with just two up. If I'm doing any sort of multitasking, there's no doubt about it, it'll reload everything every time I flip back into Safari.

I said it when the Air came out, and I'm saying it now: the iPad needs more ram. Now that the Air 2 might be getting just that, we should see this problem go away, or at least not be nearly so severe.

 

[donnaw]

Don't worry, you and DonnaW aren't the only ones to experience this. For some reason, there are a few people out here in internet land who are a little too overly sensitive about even the most minor of criticisms about their favorite things.

If I don't have any other apps open in the background, I can have about 3-4 tabs up without it constantly having to reload them every time I click on one. But if I'm using anything even remotely heavy, it'll do with just two up. If I'm doing any sort of multitasking, there's no doubt about it, it'll reload everything every time I flip back into Safari.

I said it when the Air came out, and I'm saying it now: the iPad needs more ram. Now that the Air 2 might be getting just that, we should see this problem go away, or at least not be nearly so severe.

I run into the issue when I have a couple of tabs open, one of which is a shopping cart. I then open my eWallet and try to copy/paste my card number. I can't count how many times that cart page reloads and I have to re-enter all my address stuff. Gets really tiring.

We all (well, at least those of us who have been around tech for a few years) know that software follows hardware. I.e. Software developers do not write software that can't tun on existing hardware. We won't get richer apps until the hardware exists to run them. Nor will we be able to have two simultaneous windows open (real mulitasking).

But right now I would be happy with just being able to keep 3-4 tabs open without constant reloads. Sigh.......

 

[Renzatic]

I run into the issue when I have a couple of tabs open, one of which is a shopping cart. I then open my eWallet and try to copy/paste my card number. I can't count how many times that cart page reloads and I have to re-enter all my address stuff. Gets really tiring.

Yup. More data heavy webpages will cause that to happen, too. Anything that leans on javascript or the nicer HTML5 effects eat up a ton of memory, which means it'll get shunted out of ram that much quicker on the iPad.

These days, there aren't all that many differences between a mobile web page, and one you'd view on a desktop browser. If you've ever looked at the activity monitor/task manager/what-have-you, you'd see that some of these webpages can eat up anywhere between 80 to 300 meg. A heavier webpage can eat up just shy of a third of the max memory available in an iPad.

While things are, of course, a little more streamlined on mobile Safari, and it doesn't have any user installable extensions it has to keep resident in memory, the difference won't be that much. If you want mobile Safari to have the same security, the same stability, the same features...in other words, you want to have the same web experience on iOS as you do OSX, it's gonna take some memory to do it.

...and the iPad currently doesn't have enough to do it well.

We all (well, at least those of us who have been around tech for a few years) know that software follows hardware. I.e. Software developers do not write software that can't tun on existing hardware. We won't get richer apps until the hardware exists to run them. Nor will we be able to have two simultaneous windows open (real mulitasking).

Sure enough. That's why I've been advocating slapping more ram into the iPad since the beginning. I know a lot of people around here are always saying "who needs 4GB of ram on a tablet? That's stupid! There aren't any apps out there that need that", or the always popular "the average person doesn't care about ram"...

...yeah, because there isn't 4GB of ram in an iPad. If there were, developers would be able to make more powerful apps, almost on par with their desktop equivalents. Sooner or later, all that neat stuff would eventually trickle down to the consumer market, and...guess what? They'd care. Someone out there will eventually make an app neat enough that the average mom 'n pop would want to play with that wasn't possible to do until the iPad had more ram at its disposal.

We need more damn ram :shakes fist:!