You know how much the integrated graphics cost for someone who doesn't have a special deal with Intel?
$4
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Whiteapple
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In fact, do we get 3.5" drives?
I would understand the loss of a decent card...
I really wanted to play Doom3 split on 2x30" cinema displays for less than $300, I guess i'll have to wait till next tuesday🙁
I would understand the loss of a decent card...
I really wanted to play Doom3 split on 2x30" cinema displays for less than $300, I guess i'll have to wait till next tuesday🙁
Is the integrated graphics really that bad, especially compared to the 9200 in the PPC mac mini? The development boxes had integrated graphics and they supported CoreImage just fine.
I think we should wait for actual benchmarks rather than bash the product purely based on conjecture.
I think we should wait for actual benchmarks rather than bash the product purely based on conjecture.
sw1tcher
macrumors 604
Looks like they sacrificed the dedicated GPU in order to give us two RAM slots.
I would have preferred one RAM slot and a dedicated GPU over an integrated/shared GPU and two RAM slots.
Or even better yet, Apple could have increased the size of the unit a little bit to give us a dedicated GPU *and* two RAM slots.
Whatever.
Bring on the Intel iBooks now.
I would have preferred one RAM slot and a dedicated GPU over an integrated/shared GPU and two RAM slots.
Or even better yet, Apple could have increased the size of the unit a little bit to give us a dedicated GPU *and* two RAM slots.
Whatever.
Bring on the Intel iBooks now.
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
Guys, if price is what matters most o you, you're pretty much shopping the wrong brand. I built a cheapo PC for $180 + the cost of XP. Apple will NEVER beat the PCs on bottom line.
What they will beat them on is jsut about everything else IMHO - I'm willing to pay the difference for the Mini's OS, software bundle and form factor. Not to mention that it comes with wifi and bluetooth, as I said before. It might not be super-cheap, but they didn't cut any corners either.
I agree that it would be nice to see them offer a $499 model, but if you just can't stand spending the extra money, go to the Apple Store and get a refurb G4 Mac Mini for CHEAP.
What they will beat them on is jsut about everything else IMHO - I'm willing to pay the difference for the Mini's OS, software bundle and form factor. Not to mention that it comes with wifi and bluetooth, as I said before. It might not be super-cheap, but they didn't cut any corners either.
I agree that it would be nice to see them offer a $499 model, but if you just can't stand spending the extra money, go to the Apple Store and get a refurb G4 Mac Mini for CHEAP.
on the BTO options you can only choose 2 sticks of ram and not one
512mb - (2x256)
1gb - 2(2x512)
2gb - 2(2x1)
i guess the best thing to do is go stock and upgrade with the cheap ram from other places but it's only a $50-60 savings
they should give you a 1gb (1x1) option
512mb - (2x256)
1gb - 2(2x512)
2gb - 2(2x1)
i guess the best thing to do is go stock and upgrade with the cheap ram from other places but it's only a $50-60 savings
they should give you a 1gb (1x1) option
I do agree that the integrated graphics are disappointing, but perhaps Apple got a better deal from Intel by agreeing to use it, bringing down the price of the whole box. It's hard to criticize too much without knowing the inside details.
Fact of the matter is if you need decent video performance you should NOT be buying a Mini. Complaining about the video is like buying an SUV and complaining about the gas mileage.
For my needs it's fine. It's going to be my main iTunes & internet box. There's a lot of people with simple needs like that. That's why the Mini exists.
Fact of the matter is if you need decent video performance you should NOT be buying a Mini. Complaining about the video is like buying an SUV and complaining about the gas mileage.
For my needs it's fine. It's going to be my main iTunes & internet box. There's a lot of people with simple needs like that. That's why the Mini exists.
Spanky Deluxe
macrumors 603
I finally managed to get my order through, it took about fourty minutes because the Apple Store was going sooooo slowly. But its done.
Core Duo / Superdrive model with a gig of ram = £601.24 with Student University discount. 😀
And so the apecode.com obsession begins....
Core Duo / Superdrive model with a gig of ram = £601.24 with Student University discount. 😀
And so the apecode.com obsession begins....
tjwett
macrumors 68000
just BTO'd one on the Apple Store to get it somewhere near usable and it came to $1,225 before tax and shipping. i can get a refurbed dual G5 1.8 with 160Gb HDD and 128MB graphics for $1299, tax free and free shipping. i've got both shopping carts open in two different tabs. i might just close my eyes and pick one. or maybe i'll do "one potato, two potato..."
half psyched and half disappointed with today's releases.
half psyched and half disappointed with today's releases.
Kind of on par with recent upgrades
I think the mac mini upgrades are similar in kind to the powermac upgrades from last year. Basically, the processor change is the biggest thing and they added a few bells and whistles (more usb ports, spdif, front row/remote) and kept the price point pretty much the same. The low end one is VERY similar to the "upgraded" mac minis that were being shipped out from late last year. I bought my sister the high end one and aside from the processor type (intel vs. ppc) & bells & whistles, it's pretty much the same for the same price.
Old one: 1.5ghz ppc g4, 8x DL superdrive, 80gig HD, 64MB graphics card, bluetooth 2.0 (retail price $699 - I got it for $620. $645-$25 rebate from amazon)
New one (upgraded): 1.5ghz intel core solo, combo->8x DL superdrive (+$50), 60gig->80gig HD (+$50), 64MB integrated intel graphics card, bluetooth 2.0 (retail price $599 + $100 in upgrades = $699) + bells & whistles.
I think the mac mini upgrades are similar in kind to the powermac upgrades from last year. Basically, the processor change is the biggest thing and they added a few bells and whistles (more usb ports, spdif, front row/remote) and kept the price point pretty much the same. The low end one is VERY similar to the "upgraded" mac minis that were being shipped out from late last year. I bought my sister the high end one and aside from the processor type (intel vs. ppc) & bells & whistles, it's pretty much the same for the same price.
Old one: 1.5ghz ppc g4, 8x DL superdrive, 80gig HD, 64MB graphics card, bluetooth 2.0 (retail price $699 - I got it for $620. $645-$25 rebate from amazon)
New one (upgraded): 1.5ghz intel core solo, combo->8x DL superdrive (+$50), 60gig->80gig HD (+$50), 64MB integrated intel graphics card, bluetooth 2.0 (retail price $599 + $100 in upgrades = $699) + bells & whistles.
People thinking this is OK have no clue and have no experience with PC's. Having built PCs for years I can say that it will turn this generation of mini's into mini boat anchors in two years. The hit is enormous on system resources. Games won't play, applications run very slowly if they have any eye candy at all. Plus I'm guessing features will be missing out of 10.5 and forget running virtual pc without a big hit in performance.
I've had to tell people with only a two year old dell with integrated graphics that they now have a piece of trash and that's the reason they can't play even low end games like Tiger Woods golf. Low end ATI or Nvidia chips would have prevented this, let's hope they won't screw up the Ibooks as well but I have a feeling they will have the same terrible graphics as the mini.
I've had to tell people with only a two year old dell with integrated graphics that they now have a piece of trash and that's the reason they can't play even low end games like Tiger Woods golf. Low end ATI or Nvidia chips would have prevented this, let's hope they won't screw up the Ibooks as well but I have a feeling they will have the same terrible graphics as the mini.
ddrueckhammer
macrumors 65816
I'll give Apple the benefit of the doubt on the integrated video card however, I'm still not sure what market this computer is targeting. It has digital out to hook to a HT Receiver which is great however, without an Apple Movie Store with at least 640x480 to 800x600 content or a DVR it seems to be only a DVD player. I know you can break the law and download stuff from bit torrent but I'm talking about legally. It seems that the movies downloadable on the ITMS are meant to viewed on iPods only from the low resolutions.
I hooked my powerbook up to my ED Plasma using a DVI to composite video and then a DVI to S-video adaptor. While DVDs looked acceptable the television really wasn't good for web surfing because it was too blurry. I've been wanting to try it using a direct DVI connection but haven't gotten the chance yet. I'm sure if you have a 30"+ HD LCD panel you might feel different but I don't know many people who have that.
I hooked my powerbook up to my ED Plasma using a DVI to composite video and then a DVI to S-video adaptor. While DVDs looked acceptable the television really wasn't good for web surfing because it was too blurry. I've been wanting to try it using a direct DVI connection but haven't gotten the chance yet. I'm sure if you have a 30"+ HD LCD panel you might feel different but I don't know many people who have that.
Read....entry Level!
IT"S PERFECT!
For all of those crying about the "mini's" mini specs get the new iMac! Do you think this might be Apples thinking on this one? HELLO...This is an entry level Mac and the features are really not that bad for it's intentions and price points. Give it three months and the price will come down $100.00 or GET THE Intell iMAC!
IT"S PERFECT!
For all of those crying about the "mini's" mini specs get the new iMac! Do you think this might be Apples thinking on this one? HELLO...This is an entry level Mac and the features are really not that bad for it's intentions and price points. Give it three months and the price will come down $100.00 or GET THE Intell iMAC!
rosalindavenue
macrumors 6502a
I know everyone is complaining about the integrated graphics, but take a look at the specs-- this integrated set is MADE for hdtv. Up to 2048 x 1536. Apparently its not much for games, but this is still a good chipset for a DVR, especially when you consider the way my ibook chokes on 480p .
bodeh6
macrumors 6502a
iBook/MacBook better not do this too. I don't care as the next purchase for me will be a 15" MacBook Pro.
Integrated Intel GMA950 graphics ehhh. In the words of iGary
"I just threw up in my mouth a little"
Shame on Apple. Increase the base price and remove the discrete graphic chip, make us use precious system memory to drive the graphics too. At least you can put 2GB in that thing and can allocate up to 64MB to VRAM, but still. They Should have went with an ATI X1300 64MB or something similar. Integrated graphics reek of PCs, not supposed to be in an Apple. Has any Apple before this had integrated graphics? I always thought that Apple prefered to have discrete graphic chips.
Integrated Intel GMA950 graphics ehhh. In the words of iGary
"I just threw up in my mouth a little"
Shame on Apple. Increase the base price and remove the discrete graphic chip, make us use precious system memory to drive the graphics too. At least you can put 2GB in that thing and can allocate up to 64MB to VRAM, but still. They Should have went with an ATI X1300 64MB or something similar. Integrated graphics reek of PCs, not supposed to be in an Apple. Has any Apple before this had integrated graphics? I always thought that Apple prefered to have discrete graphic chips.
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
Seing as the last Mac Mini and iBook were related designs, I'lll bet the next iBook/MacBook will also do integrated graphics, which is a bit of a bummer. Actually I don't mind the integrated graphics as a base option, as long as you can BTO with a real GPU. But I'm not holding my breath.
Still, I don't think we should get too hung up on the graphics - the rest of the specs are quite good, and having two memory sockets is very nice. Now you can buy a stock Mini and upgrade the RAM without necessarily having to pull the stock memory out.
Still, I don't think we should get too hung up on the graphics - the rest of the specs are quite good, and having two memory sockets is very nice. Now you can buy a stock Mini and upgrade the RAM without necessarily having to pull the stock memory out.
The Red Wolf
macrumors regular
I Want One!
2 GB RAM... = Motion capable.
Core Duo = Fast enough to run pro apps as Universal Binaries.
950 Integrated video with 64 MB and Core Image supported = Ripples in Dashboard.
What the hell is wrong with all of you people! It's a $500 computer? How on earth will they put in everything it comes with and include DUAL SLI 7800 GTXs? Anyone? Would they fit in the box? No... Unless you want a $7300 mini with a 15000 Speed 14 Drive Fiber Channel RAID system connected to it that occupies only 1"X"1"X1"... Violates Quantum Reality and Spacial Reality while simultaneously linking your entire brain to the net... You're not going to be happy.
I love it. I want one. Anyone who thinks this is lame ore = MEH can simply... Buy a PC.
~The Red Wolf~
2 GB RAM... = Motion capable.
Core Duo = Fast enough to run pro apps as Universal Binaries.
950 Integrated video with 64 MB and Core Image supported = Ripples in Dashboard.
What the hell is wrong with all of you people! It's a $500 computer? How on earth will they put in everything it comes with and include DUAL SLI 7800 GTXs? Anyone? Would they fit in the box? No... Unless you want a $7300 mini with a 15000 Speed 14 Drive Fiber Channel RAID system connected to it that occupies only 1"X"1"X1"... Violates Quantum Reality and Spacial Reality while simultaneously linking your entire brain to the net... You're not going to be happy.
I love it. I want one. Anyone who thinks this is lame ore = MEH can simply... Buy a PC.
~The Red Wolf~
Enough with the garbage graphics cards!
Ya... overall it was a pretty underwhelming announcement. The core-duo processor will actually be good once programs can actually take advantage of the two cores... and as the title line says... what's up with the $&^% graphics card? Really. It's bad enough that we can't get decent games on the Mac... but to actually get games and have them under-perform even more on it because we're using old tech (or in this case, bad tech) for graphics cards... no good.
Ya... overall it was a pretty underwhelming announcement. The core-duo processor will actually be good once programs can actually take advantage of the two cores... and as the title line says... what's up with the $&^% graphics card? Really. It's bad enough that we can't get decent games on the Mac... but to actually get games and have them under-perform even more on it because we're using old tech (or in this case, bad tech) for graphics cards... no good.
iHeartTheApple
macrumors 6502
The Red Wolf said:
I agree completely, Red. Even though the integrated graphics is a slight surprise, I'd be willing to bet that the "average" user won't be able to tell the difference. ...and you're right, ripples in the dashboard is all that counts! 😀 This is what I've been waiting for...it's freakin' sweet and I want one!