New iPad Air's Touch ID Power Button an 'Incredible Feat of Engineering' According to Apple VP

[MayaTlab]

something that every other phone manufacturer has is an "incredible feat of engineering,"

One crucial missing bit of information is the actual reliability and security of respective systems. Fingerprint identification had existed long before Touch ID in consumer devices, but it simply wasn't that secure and prone to false positives. Same applies to Face ID : Some phones had it long before the iPhone, but the security simply sucked big time.
An optimist interpretation of that phrase would be that it's an "incredible feat of engineering" in regards to the security levels and false positives ratio Apple wanted to reach.
Or it might indeed be just marketing BS.

 

[Seanm87]

As much as i love apple they do make me laugh sometimes when they gush over how innovative they are, by doing something that others have been doing for years.

 

[cmaier]

most people don't wear gloves year round

Way to dis us polar bears.

 

[FightTheFuture]

Word on the street is that the difference is that apple’s actually provides a reasonable level of security.

Plus Apple has been implementing TouchID in the power button of the MBP touchbar since 2016. Moving TouchID isn’t innovative, it’s low hanging fruit.

 

[Zeroshiftfactor]

One crucial missing bit of information is the actual reliability and security of respective systems. Fingerprint identification had existed long before Touch ID in consumer devices, but it simply wasn't that secure and prone to false positives. Same applies to Face ID : Some phones had it long before the iPhone, but the security simply sucked big time.
An optimist interpretation of that phrase would be that it's an "incredible feat of engineering" in regards to the security levels and false positives ratio Apple wanted to reach.
Or it might indeed be just marketing BS.

Lies. I appreciate you as a forum brother, but I appreciate if you stopped your lies. Samsung's fingerprint reader is as if not even MORE secure than TouchID. Samsung intergrated it into the power button first because they are simply superior. In addition, Samsung's facial recognition is also just as secure if not MORE than FaceID.

As for all that smoke about interference between radio waves and voodoo or whatever, I'm not a professional engineer, but I'm sure even I know how to figure out such basic things.

Step 1. Move fingerprint scanner from Home button to Power button.
Step 2. Put radio module in radio module cavity.
Step 3. Done.

Simple.

 

[MareLuce]

Gotta say, so cool that iJustine still has such a massive following 13 years after the introduction of the original iPhone. I see a lot of sexism thrown towards her and her sister, but she absolutely kills it.

Well said.

Very cool that:
- Apple VP of Product Marketing Bob Borchers
- VP of Hardware Engineering John Ternus
were featured on their show.

Go iJustine and Jenna!

 

[PickUrPoison]

He only knows what his lower management has told him in order to justify their big bonuses for shipping this "incredible feat of engineering"

So you just made that up so you could troll, got it 🙄

 

[Caliber26]

Samsung intergrated it into the power button first because they are simply superior.

Sounds to me like you should probably March your merry butt over to a Walmart or something, and get yourself a big ole shiny Samsung phone and do some forum scrolling down yonder at SamsungRumors.com.

You’re wastin’ time ‘round here, partner.

 

[kerr]

Given how ridiculous the notch is and the fact that many of us are wearing masks, Face ID has become rather useless and Apple needs to add Touch ID to the 2021 iPhone, either in-display or via side button.

 

[4jasontv]

then lets add it to everything else so we don't have to deal with junky faceid anymore
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most people don't wear gloves year round

Most people never wear gloves.

 

[Spudlicious]

Get over it and bring the damn home button back. Was it really so evil?

Not evil, but of its time. What could be easier than swipe up for home, and phones with a chin just look old-fashioned now.

 

[wireless-toyz09]

I’m still gonna keep my fingers crossed for Touch ID in the power buttons of iPhone 12. I just don’t feel they would create that “incredible feat of engineering” for the iPad Air alone.

 

[mackinmike]

Haven't watched the full thing yet, so I'm interested to hear how something that every other phone manufacturer has is an "incredible feat of engineering," but we shall see! lol

Gotta say, so cool that iJustine still has such a massive following 13 years after the introduction of the original iPhone. I see a lot of sexism thrown towards her and her sister, but she absolutely kills it.

It wouldn't be apple if they didn't put their own spin on it. Patting himself on the back for something other manufacturers have done years ago. For tech savvy people they catch on, but for most Apple users, they'll be amazed thinking Apple invented it.

 

[AJACs3]

then lets add it to everything else so we don't have to deal with junky faceid anymore
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most people don't wear gloves year round

and in the summer my hands sweat like a mofo… I have many more negative issues with TouchID than I ever have with FaceID.

But yes, give us both, please.

 

[mdridwan47]

You've got to be kidding me. Even cheap Android phones have been doing this for years now.

 

[NT1440]

This is probably why the iPhone 12 has been delayed. Midway through the pandemic they realized this virus isn’t going anywhere and Face ID is a huge inconvenience; not to mention health risk since you sometimes have to remove it. Also, the dial pad doesn’t appear fast enough at times.

It’s wishful thinking, but I certainly hope it does make it in as a last minute improvement. Under the screen sonar ID is just not where it needs to be yet, plus a physical Touch ID could be used for 2fa.

Hardware decisions were locked in last year. There’s a huge lead time on devices that have to be produced in the tens of millions per quarter.

 

[mackinmike]

Sounds to me like you should probably March your merry butt over to a Walmart or something, and get yourself a big ole shiny Samsung phone and do some forum scrolling down yonder at SamsungRumors.com.

You’re wastin’ time ‘round here, partner.

Fold 2 sounds scrumptious... just saying. If you're implying samsungs are cheap, (walmart remark), look up how much it costs.

 

[wood1208]

Negatively mental wired people will say, big deal as others have implemented similar method but dear morons, let me ask you. Does it work flawlessly or just hit and miss like we have seen in Android phones/tablets ? When Apple implements tech, it just works. That is why we buy and pay whatever for Apple products.
I am getting more confident that Apple will put TouchId to power button on 2022 Spring iPhone SE 3 allowing larger screen and same time keeping lower price.

 

[geekymcfly]

They need to release it already.

 

[Coconut Bean]

Negatively mental wired people will say, big deal as others have implemented similar method but dear morons, let me ask you. Does it work flawlessly or just hit and miss like we have seen in Android phones/tablets ? When Apple implements tech, it just works. That is why we buy and pay whatever for Apple products.
I am getting more confident that Apple will put TouchId to power button on 2022 Spring iPhone SE 3 allowing larger screen and same time keeping lower price.

I guess you haven't had an Android device the last 6 years, or ever. Yes. Fingerprint sensors (not under display ones) do work seamlessly even on Android phones. Xperia phones had this "revolutionary" feature for several years.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

I really wanna watch but I also know the effect iJustine has on my mood, so I better not.

That confused me. Did Macrumors hire her when I wasn’t looking?

 

[Westside guy]

It's an interesting idea and cool engineering for sure. But unless the power button is simply haptic (is it?), I'd be concerned about durability issues regarding the circuitry behind the sensor. Waiting until the second or third iteration might be wise.

 

[Kung gu]

I guess you haven't had an Android device the last 6 years, or ever. Yes. Fingerprint sensors (not under display ones) do work seamlessly even on Android phones. Xperia phones had this "revolutionary" feature for several years.

its easy to do the fingerprint on the side, like many androids have done. On the top its hard, because the antenna interfers. Find me an android where the finger print on the power button is located on the top.

 

[B4U]

My Sony Xperia XZ begs to differ.
The fingerprint reader on the power button of that phone came out in 2016.

 

[Kung gu]

Sony Xperia XZ has the power button on the side, whereas iPad Air is on top