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I had a Nextbit Robin years ago with the fingerprint sensor within the power button, it was a great idea.
 
Lies. I appreciate you as a forum brother, but I appreciate if you stopped your lies. Samsung's fingerprint reader is as if not even MORE secure than TouchID. Samsung intergrated it into the power button first because they are simply superior. In addition, Samsung's facial recognition is also just as secure if not MORE than FaceID.

As for all that smoke about interference between radio waves and voodoo or whatever, I'm not a professional engineer, but I'm sure even I know how to figure out such basic things.

Step 1. Move fingerprint scanner from Home button to Power button.
Step 2. Put radio module in radio module cavity.
Step 3. Done.

Simple.

You are joking if you thing Samsung is more secure. Samsung has been proven to be less secure with and without knox. Where do you see samsung being "more secure" than Apple when it comes to Face ID and Touch ID? Hell Samsung's facial recognition is basically take a picture of your face which is not secure at all.

While the iPhone X series uses dual cameras and infrared sensors to obtain a true three-dimensional map of your face, the new Samsung Galaxy S10 models don’t. They only have a single or two cameras. And like some people have discovered, that’s not enough to secure your phone with your face.

In a Twitter thread, Jane Manchun Wong describes how she was able to fool her brother’s Galaxy S10+ using her face. Despite being siblings, they don’t look alike:

Source: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-s10-facial-recognition,news-29606.html

Samsung's facial recognition has never been secure and they have said that themselves.

Since face unlock is primarily software-driven, it is not as secure as biometric authentication.


There's no additional sensor providing depth data, and as such, it is possible for someone else to gain access to your phone with your facsimile. It's easy for facial recognition systems like the one on the S20 to be fooled by a photo, and if you're looking for a more secure authentication system, your best option is the fingerprint reader.

Source: https://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-s20s-face-unlock-secure
 
People, wear them. Mississippi removed the mask requirements. Everybody’s use case is different.
thats one state, everyone in the world is still wearing mask, i was in nyc in august, people wore mask, i went to swizerland in sept, people wearing mask, now i'm in turkey, people are wearing mask. gloves, not so much.
 
They both seem to be very well informed about tech from what I've seen.
they know how to read the spec sheet, from some of the reviews i saw, there is no deeper substance ijustine bring to the table, everything she mentions most folks already know. she definitely has her audience, but for someone who saw keynotes and has some interest in apple products, she brings nothing to the table.
 
So according to Apple, their own engineering is incredible...bet no one could have predicted that.
 
I wouldn’t mind having both on a future iPhone. Two step.

I'd add Apple Watch to that too, having just started using one for the first time I have to say it would integrate very well (under screen would be even better but I know there a lot off limitations to that right now)
 
Well I'm sure Apple would like to gush all over Sony who were doing this "incredible feat of engineering" on their Xperia phones (like the Z5) way back in 2015, and Samsung and other Chinese brands last year. <rolls eyes> Well as least we no longer have to put up with Jonny Ive gushing about how wonderful he is in reverent tones any more thank goodness.
Is it done the same way though, where you can place your finger on it in any orientation? I'm actually asking.
 
Haven't watched the full thing yet, so I'm interested to hear how something that every other phone manufacturer has is an "incredible feat of engineering," but we shall see! lol

Gotta say, so cool that iJustine still has such a massive following 13 years after the introduction of the original iPhone. I see a lot of sexism thrown towards her and her sister, but she absolutely kills it.

Re: everyone else already offering the same functionality in their phones already, some for years, makes it hard to take that boast seriously. Late to the game again, Apple.

As for Justine, no. Girl is straight cringe, and it has nothing to do with her gender. The few times she has hosted Comicon segments or CES bits have made it painfully clear the she is all mouth. She has taken a lot of criticism over her "reviews," especially of Apple products, that focus on nonsense claims like that above while glossing over or outright ignoring legitimate criticism. If she isn't on Apple's payroll then she simply has no idea what she is talking about. Contrast that with Kari Byron, for example, who has a similarly bubbly personality and generally positive outlook but a minute long conversation makes it abundantly clear she's the smartest person in the room.

If her gender plays a role in things at all, it is the unfair slack she is given because she is a cute blonde, something a nerdish male reviewer would not receive. And that's fine, she has made a strong and lucrative career by playing to her strengths, but she still very much belongs in the "social media influencer" category she inhabits, and let's not pretend otherwise.
 
Is it done the same way though, where you can place your finger on it in any orientation? I'm actually asking.

For the Z5 I believe so.

But again, as we don't know at all about the actual security of the system and the risk of false positives, there is no way to properly compare these systems anyway.

It's easy to make a fingerprint scanner that works all the time : just loosen up the security. What's hard is to make something that works all the time on the intended user and never on anyone else. As we have no data on that regard it's difficult to make a comparison.

It's akin to looking at a spec sheet that mentions that two different smartphones feature an OLED screen but with no mention whatsoever about the quality of the factory calibration, the linearity, the manufacturing variance, etc.
 
"feat of engineering".....

they sure have a lot of "courage" to say something like that....

give me back my headphone jacks!
 
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My Pixel Slate, introduced end of 2018, has a fingerprint reader in the power button. Its very cool, and actually has its pros and cons versus the faceid in my ipad pro, but faceID is still better all-around.

Why does Apple have to make me vomit though with the hyporbole? ”Incredible feat of engineering”....seriously its been done before and done just as well. The Pixel slate even has multiple user accounts and you can scan different people’s fingerprints in it. And others have mentioned Sony doing it 5 years ago.

Focus on the A14 which is the real star of the show. The rest is nothing new.
 
This is probably why the iPhone 12 has been delayed. Midway through the pandemic they realized this virus isn’t going anywhere and Face ID is a huge inconvenience; not to mention health risk since you sometimes have to remove it. Also, the dial pad doesn’t appear fast enough at times.

It’s wishful thinking, but I certainly hope it does make it in as a last minute improvement. Under the screen sonar ID is just not where it needs to be yet, plus a physical Touch ID could be used for 2fa.

We always knew TouchID was superior than FaceID. I'm still hanging to TouchID iPhones. There were a lot of discussions here about this but people were defending it for the sake of being new tech.
 
I had a Sony Z5C a few years ago which also had a fingerprint scanner built into the power button. It was definitely a bit finicky though; tended not to work unless you put your thumb in the right spot.

I certainly hope Apple has been able to improve upon Sony’s implementation in the last 5 years.
Sony has improved the scanner over the years.


the antenna is on the other side away from the touchid in the sony xz
Well, take a look at the latest Xperia 5 II, you see the antenna lines on the top and bottom on the right side, same side as the power button w/ scanner.

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We always knew TouchID was superior than FaceID. I'm still hanging to TouchID iPhones. There were a lot of discussions here about this but people were defending it for the sake of being new tech.
Touch ID is NOT superior to Face ID. Each has its own pluses and minuses based on individual use cases. There were a lot of discussions and people were pointing out the nuances of the individual situations.
 
Names would help this incredibly useful and juicy tidbit.

I think this was Apples' plan all along.

Post edit: And as someone below pointed out, my new to me, ipad 7th gen has touch id. And after face id, it's not as good overall...but I can see why some would want to have both.

What was Apple's plan all along? To drop TouchID from iPad Pro and iPhone and bring it back? or drop TouchID completely?

They didn’t bring anything back - it’s always been on the iPad Air. What are you talking about?

They already abandoned it on their all-screen iphones and all-screen iPad Pros. It was only natural to think they will abandon it completely with all their future all-screen iOS devices. Yet they kept it on this one and changed its place.
 
It’s still being built into new macs, iPhone SE, non pro iPads. There is no sign that it’s being abandoned nor ever was going to be. As also mentioned by Apple themselves.

Still. I would hope for a return of Touch ID alongside Face ID, especially on phones. I like the idea of extra security of needing two factors.

I love faceID on my iPad. I don’t have it on my phone, so I can’t comment but I also love Touch ID on my phone. I think a combo of both would be great on a phone.
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What was Apple's plan all along? To drop TouchID from iPad Pro and iPhone and bring it back? or drop TouchID completely?



They already abandoned it on their all-screen iphones and all-screen iPad Pros. It was only natural to think they will abandon it completely with all their future all-screen iOS devices. Yet they kept it on this one and changed its place.
 
thats one state, everyone in the world is still wearing mask, i was in nyc in august, people wore mask, i went to swizerland in sept, people wearing mask, now i'm in turkey, people are wearing mask. gloves, not so much.
Which is why everyone's use case is different. I see many people wearing gloves in the stores as well.
 
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