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Saving to camera roll isn't really a "workaround". Hopefully Apple addresses this on the new iPad. It's got plenty of ram and resources to render larger images. Plus I suspect many are updated their sites to use "retina" graphics.
 
Does this mean that Apple is admitting that "retina" display on tablets is pointless? Are they trying to mislead the public about charging time by falsifying charge indicator? Remember they did the same with signal strength indicator for antenna-gate version of iPhone.

How could it not scale down the images? There's only so many pixels on an iPad (or any display device for that matter). If they don't scale down the images, you would have to scroll to see the entire image.

Safari (on the Mac) has always done this. If you open an image that's larger than the display, it's sized to fit the display. If you click on it again, it displays actual size and you have to scroll. Now in that case, I suspect that the iPod is specifically downscaling, but there's not much choice: you don't want to be displaying 36MP images on an iPad -- there's simply not enough resources.

Or am I missing something?
 
How could it not scale down the images? There's only so many pixels on an iPad (or any display device for that matter). If they don't scale down the images, you would have to scroll to see the entire image.

Safari (on the Mac) has always done this. If you open an image that's larger than the display, it's sized to fit the display. If you click on it again, it displays actual size and you have to scroll. Now in that case, I suspect they the iPod is specifically downscaling, but there's not much choice: you don't want to be displaying 36MP images on an iPad -- there's simply not enough resources.

Or am I missing something?

here you go

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2113200/Test/ipad_retina.html
 
What's the reason for the large images being scaled down? iOS bug?

It uses less bandwidth and memory when it's not needed. 'Safari' is for surfing, not viewing photos at their best quality. 'Photos' or 'iPhoto' is what you should use to view pix at their best.

This is like compalining that my screwdriver doesn't drive 12p nails well. Use the right tool at the right time for the right thing.
 
How could it not scale down the images? There's only so many pixels on an iPad (or any display device for that matter). If they don't scale down the images, you would have to scroll to see the entire image.

Safari (on the Mac) has always done this. If you open an image that's larger than the display, it's sized to fit the display. If you click on it again, it displays actual size and you have to scroll. Now in that case, I suspect that the iPod is specifically downscaling, but there's not much choice: you don't want to be displaying 36MP images on an iPad -- there's simply not enough resources.

Or am I missing something?

You are. They scale the images down to the resolution which is way below the resolution of iPad screen.
 
Does this mean that Apple is admitting that "retina" display on tablets is pointless? Are they trying to mislead the public about charging time by falsifying charge indicator? Remember they did the same with signal strength indicator for antenna-gate version of iPhone.

Way to ignore all the built-in applications and the thousands of applications on the AppStore. But hey, if Safari is really the only application you use, then I understand where you're coming from.

I'm fairly certain the signal strength was because the math wasn't as accurate...people make mistakes you know. In terms of software, we call it a bug.
 
This isn't about Background images this is about Safari !

Yes, and surprisingly enough web sites have background images which are specified using CSS, if you don't explicitly state the dimensions of the background image and it's over two megabytes, it's scaled down. Do learn to read.

This isn't a bug, it's about good web practice. Web sites are not "retina" experiences, they are optimised specifically for fast loading, low bandwidth and a fast user experience. If site developers wish to provide specific links to high resolution graphics, then they can do this - but these should not be used by default - imagine the load times on the average gallery site if each image was over two megabytes! It's simply good development practice.
 
Here is a test for you all

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2113200/Test/ipad_retina.html

the PNG will NOT scale down, the JPG will. Test it yourself on your iPads, The JPG under limitations will not scale down but the PNG over limitations will not scale down either. Only the JPG over limitations will scale down. its a bug

It's not a bug... and iOS has always done this... it's for memory purposes.

Safari has always had memory problems... this is just there to help out a bit. As a photographer I've seen this since my original iPad...

It would be great if Apple would allow you to touch the image and select "load full res" or something though.

As for everyone saying that this is a bandwidth optimization... it's not. Your iPad will still be sucking down the full jpeg it just gets decimated on the iPad side so that the whole thing doesn't have to be stored in both RAM and video RAM.

This is _not_ a server side optimization... and it sure as hell has NOTHING to do with your carrier / internet provider. If they were intercepting jpegs in route and doing _anything_ with them without your consent a lot of people would be crazy pissed.

I think there is some confusion because of Opera and Amazon's Kindle browser doing this kind of thing... but that is something you opt into on purpose. If all of our Safari traffic ran through a server at Apple without our consent, Apple would already be getting their pants sued off for privacy reasons. They would be basically man in the middling all of us!
 
wrong! PNG uses more memory and yet it doesnt scale down. It is a bug.

PNG does not "use more memory" - you have no idea what you're talking about. JPEGs are compressed, PNGs offer less compression. When optimised properly for the web the file sizes are not much different. This is not a bug, it is a sensible feature which reduces bandwidth consumption, and is easily overcome if required by good web development practice and css/browser detection and content delivery.
 
Yes, and surprisingly enough web sites have background images which are specified using CSS, if you don't explicitly state the dimensions of the background image and it's over two megabytes, it's scaled down. Do learn to read.

This isn't a bug, it's about good web practice. Web sites are not "retina" experiences, they are optimised specifically for fast loading, low bandwidth and a fast user experience. If site developers wish to provide specific links to high resolution graphics, then they can do this - but these should not be used by default - imagine the load times on the average gallery site if each image was over two megabytes! It's simply good development practice.

PNG does not "use more memory" - you have no idea what you're talking about. JPEGs are compressed, PNGs offer less compression. When optimised properly for the web the file sizes are not much different. This is not a bug, it is a sensible feature which reduces bandwidth consumption, and is easily overcome if required by good web development practice and css/browser detection and content delivery.

Proof of your 'wrong argument' http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2113200/Test/ipad_retina.html

All 3 images have been explicitly stated their dimensions. The PNG image is NOT scaled down (it takes even more memory than JPG) while the JPG with the same resolution is.

It is a bug
 
Yes, and surprisingly enough web sites have background images which are specified using CSS, if you don't explicitly state the dimensions of the background image and it's over two megabytes, it's scaled down. Do learn to read.

This isn't a bug, it's about good web practice. Web sites are not "retina" experiences, they are optimised specifically for fast loading, low bandwidth and a fast user experience. If site developers wish to provide specific links to high resolution graphics, then they can do this - but these should not be used by default - imagine the load times on the average gallery site if each image was over two megabytes! It's simply good development practice.

Some websites are optimized for speed, but some are designed for aesthetics. The browser should not trump the intent of the website.

Besides, I bought a retina display, I want the retina experience.
 
It uses less bandwidth and memory when it's not needed. 'Safari' is for surfing, not viewing photos at their best quality. 'Photos' or 'iPhoto' is what you should use to view pix at their best.

This is like compalining that my screwdriver doesn't drive 12p nails well. Use the right tool at the right time for the right thing.

Yes, but this is the retina display iPad.

You want photos at their best, it has 1GB of RAM for goodness sake. Apple could at least limit that to cellular data, and if you're on WiFi let you view the full high res image.

It's nothing like complaining about the screwdriver, what a daft analogy. The iPad 3 has a retina display as a selling point. If a webpage has high megapixel image, then I should be able to see it in all its glory on the retina display.

It makes sense on the iPad 1 and 2, and the iPhone/iPod touch, but the iPad 3 is built for high megapixel images.
 
I saw that quick drain last night

now that I think of it, my iPad said 91% battery out of the box but within 5 minutes of being linked with my iMac it dropped to 86%.

I'll keep an eye on this, but I won't obsess over the extra hour charge time.
 
because web sites should be optimised, which includes code and images - this is a good thing. If each image on a page is 2 - 3 meg, then how quickly would you use up your data allowance (let alone how long the images would take to load on your device when browsing).
The amount of downloaded data to the iPad is not changed one single bit (literally). If each image on a page is 2-3 megabytes they are still downloaded at that size. It is then that they are scaled down for memory purposes in Safari. If you saved an image on the iPad it saves it at full resolution and does not need to download it again--it already has it at full size.

The issue is not about the scaling per se: That has always occurred.

The issue is that Safari on an iPad 3 scales down images as if it had the 1024x768 display like iPads 1 and 2. Since the the iPad 3 has 4 times as many pixels it then has to take the down-scaled images and scale them up by a factor of 4. That is why it can look worse on an iPad 3 than iPad 1 or 2.

The fix is not going to be to stop scaling. It will be to scale properly on the iPad 3 so it does not have to turn around and upscale again. So (large) images will then be 4x sharper.





Michael
 
The amount of downloaded data to the iPad is not changed one single bit (literally). If each image on a page is 2-3 megabytes they are still downloaded at that size. It is then that they are scaled down for memory purposes in Safari. If you saved an image on the iPad it saves it at full resolution and does not need to download it again--it already has it at full size.

The issue is not about the scaling per se: That has always occurred.

The issue is that Safari on an iPad 3 scales down images as if it had the 1024x768 display like iPads 1 and 2. Since the the iPad 3 has 4 times as many pixels it then has to take the down-scaled images and scale them up by a factor of 4. That is why it can look worse on an iPad 3 than iPad 1 or 2.

The fix is not going to be to stop scaling. It will be to scale properly on the iPad 3 so it does not have to turn around and upscale again. So (large) images will then be 4x sharper.





Michael

this is why when you see medium size retina images they are SHARP but full size pictures blurry than their smaller counterparts
 
So maybe I'm blind but on the iPhone you can go to usage and see how long you've used/been in standby since last full charge. I never looked for it on my iPad 2 but went to look this morning and it's not there.
 
With iOS 6 will we have the ability to shut off loading pages as mobile/tablet in Safari? I use the Atomic Web app for browsing b/c I can use google search with all it's features vs the version you get in Safari. Using that browser I haven't had any issues with images. I've found a number of HQ wallpapers that showed off the retina display in all it's glory. :)
 
With iOS 6 will we have the ability to shut off loading pages as mobile/tablet in Safari? I use the Atomic Web app for browsing b/c I can use google search with all it's features vs the version you get in Safari. Using that browser I haven't had any issues with images. I've found a number of HQ wallpapers that showed off the retina display in all it's glory. :)

except Atomic Browser will do the same thing.
 
It is very clear that the battery issue should be investigated by the government and be made a big issue.

Why aren't the media especially NY Times and Consumer report not looking into this?

A consumer has the right to trust that when a device says 100% charged that it no longer draws additional electricity = cost behind the consumers back and without a consumers agreement.

We need a system preference panel pop up saying:

Battery almost full, but keep charging?
YES NO

Where is Senator Franken when we really need him?

Hahahaha to your entire post.

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With iOS 6 will we have the ability to shut off loading pages as mobile/tablet in Safari? I use the Atomic Web app for browsing b/c I can use google search with all it's features vs the version you get in Safari. Using that browser I haven't had any issues with images. I've found a number of HQ wallpapers that showed off the retina display in all it's glory. :)

Nothing drives me more insane than web pages that force you into a mobile version of their site, and don't give you an option to view the full site.

This is especially infuriating on the iPad, where one of the biggest advantages to Safari is that you can easily read and interact with a full page.

The absolute worst is when a news site tries to force you to download their iPad app and won't let you view their site on the iPad at all. Then you actually download their stupid app, only to find out the article you clicked the link to isn't even available in their app.
 
Just for clarification who is "they"? Apple? Web site? Consumer?

Sorry, forget... I read your post hurriedly so I understood that you were suggesting Apple to offer Safari desktop version in mobile platform. This is even impraticable these days because, among other things, processor architecture constraints.
 
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