New iPad Pro's A10X Chip Revealed as First Manufactured Using TSMC's 10nm Process

[wizard]

Ipad is still just a big iphone it will never be a mac or close so its just for apps and fun, and ios 11 isnt amazing just more multitasking that you wouldnt use, i wish the ipad had more pro software

It is already kissing cousin of the Mac. There are only minor feature differences between the two OS'es underneath they are nearly identical. As for IOS 11 I'm not running it anywhere so won't say anything specific about that. However I'm running beta High Sierra and I can say without reservation that it is a significant upgrade. People need to remember that what is underneath is what counts. That is with these upgrades Apple is supplying the building blocks for developers to produce great software. That is what an OS is all about, providing features to drive developer interest.
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Never is a long time. You presume to know Apple's roadmap. Sometimes I'm not even sure they know what it is.

And you make assumptions regarding other people's needs and workflow.

Multitasking is only a small piece of what was announced at WWDC. I would suggest you take a good look at what iOS 11 adds by reviewing the documentation from the conference. For example, the Files app is the beginning of a Finder built for iOS. And ARKit is potentially a game-changer.

And if you want more pro software, talk to the developers. Or develop it yourself. My kids (including my 10 yr old) are learning to do just that.

I've been going through WWDC videos as time permits and frankly I'm impressed. While maybe not obviously to common users we are getting really significant updates in these operating systems. We are talking features that will lead to whole new class of apps. combine the new software features with hard that can actually drive those feats to a high performance level and it becomes obvious that Apple is very much in the lead.

 

[DNichter]

Good on you for that. I use my iPad as much as I can but it does not work for my line of work. For work, presentations, reports, and spreadsheets are necessary. Sad to say but iOS just underperforms in those categories. For some of my other work, screen real estate key and having 1-2 external displays is highly recommended, even with "multiple desktops".

Still, if Apple keeps catching up with its chip development, the A-series just may beat out Intel on the low end. With a little more work they might catch Intel on the high end, too.

Spreadsheet creation is definitely a challenge. I think one day Apple may add mice support for productivity apps only such as Excel or Numbers in a very contained way. Luckily for me, most of my work in management is reviewing spreadsheets and making few changes where needed. Presentations and reporting tools are no issue for me though and I find using a tablet to be a lot more collaborative in an office setting. Obviously for some, they’ll always need a typical desktop environment. I don’t see that going anywhere, but I’m waiting for the next shift there before I jump back in. Maybe some combination of an AR headset and a keyboard and trackpad.

 

[Aluminum213]

Oh ok. I thought I was enjoying the amazing speed of my new iPad. I guess I was mistaken.

So safari is now opening in a millisecond as opposed to an half a second

Congrats

Maybe next year will be almost instantaneous when you do the exact same things

 

[Abazigal]

Spreadsheet creation is definitely a challenge. I think one day Apple may add mice support for productivity apps only such as Excel or Numbers in a very contained way. Luckily for me, most of my work in management is reviewing spreadsheets and making few changes where needed. Presentations and reporting tools are no issue for me though and I find using a tablet to be a lot more collaborative in an office setting. Obviously for some, they’ll always need a typical desktop environment. I don’t see that going anywhere, but I’m waiting for the next shift there before I jump back in. Maybe some combination of an AR headset and a keyboard and trackpad.

Actually, apps such as Airtable show that it is possible to reimagine a spreadsheet for a mobile interface. Just wish that Apple would also lead the charge in this area, and redesign numbers to work better on a touchscreen interface.

 

[cmaier]

It bottoms out somewhere in the 5-7 range until they get better at making nanotubes arrange in a desired pattern.

I designed microprocessors from 1993-2006. Every year they said we were at the end of the line for lithography. 90nm, 60nm, 40nm, etc.

They'll get past 5 without "nanotubes"

 

[iosuser]

How can you NOT know that you want a 120hz display??

Because none of the rumored specs mentioned it before the announcement so it was totally unexpected. This was one of those things that's totally unnecessary but oh so nice to have, especially for the artists that use an apple pencil.

 

[Markoth]

So safari is now opening in a millisecond as opposed to an half a second

Congrats

Maybe next year will be almost instantaneous when you do the exact same things

That's not how operating systems work. As features are added in the background, foreground features such as, yes, opening Safari, gradually slow down. Despite users doing many of the same things on iOS today that they were doing 10 years ago, modern iOS can not run on the older hardware, because of this. Faster processors with more cores (although the benefit of cores is less linear), yields more headroom for more features, which keeps tasks such as opening Safari snappy™.

 

[lanestew]

Meaningless without powerful software

Yeah, you're right. Might as well stick a 486 chip in and call it a day.

 

[aevan]

Meaningless without powerful software

You mean "old way of doing things software". There is powerful software on the iPad, like Affinity Photo or upcoming Procreate 4 and Affinity Designer.

Not every software category is present (good 3D and sculpting apps are still absent) but to say there is no powerful software is just wrong (and bitter).

 

[Aluminum213]

You mean "old way of doing things software". There is powerful software on the iPad, like Affinity Photo or upcoming Procreate 4 and Affinity Designer.

Not every software category is present (good 3D and sculpting apps are still absent) but to say there is no powerful software is just wrong (and bitter).

The OS is a blown up iPhone OS, you can't rely on third party developers making apps

Apple has to dramatically improve the OS on the iPad so it's not more than a toy

 

[cmaier]

The OS is a blown up iPhone OS, you can't rely on third party developers making apps

Apple has to dramatically improve the OS on the iPad so it's not more than a toy

The OS is fundamentally the same as macOS. It's a shrunk-down macOS, not a blown-up iPhone OS.

 

[mi7chy]

Stopped by the Apple store. With all the commotion over promotion, 10nm, etc. couldn't honestly tell the difference between the normal 2017 iPad and iPad Pro 10.5 except the awful keyboard attached to one. They both run blown up iPod apps. How much faster do you need to run candy crush? Different story if it could run the full Microsoft Office suite, Steam games, etc.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

I designed microprocessors from 1993-2006. Every year they said we were at the end of the line for lithography. 90nm, 60nm, 40nm, etc.

They'll get past 5 without "nanotubes"

maybe but I just wanted to respond to your putting nanotubes in quotes, do you think they are fictitious?

 

[aevan]

The OS is a blown up iPhone OS, you can't rely on third party developers making apps

Are you saying you only work with 1st party apps on macOS?

Apple has to dramatically improve the OS on the iPad so it's not more than a toy

One man's toy is another man's work, so you should really go and ask yourself "what is it that I'm missing here?".

Seriously, your views are severely limited. Either that, or you have an overly cynical view on things.

....Or you're just fishing for flame comments and I took the bait.


Whatever it is you're completely wrong.
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Stopped by the Apple store. With all the commotion over promotion, 10nm, etc. couldn't honestly tell the difference between the normal 2017 iPad and iPad Pro 10.5 except the awful keyboard attached to one. They both run blown up iPod apps. How much faster do you need to run candy crush? Different story if it could run the full Microsoft Office suite, Steam games, etc.

iPod apps?

Seriously, Machaters Forums is becoming the worst.

 

[manu chao]

They both run blown up iPod apps.

iPod apps, hem?

 

[saile]

It's anyway really impressive,especially when you see the power consumption of these chips that are really lower than that of intel processors.
And what about the thermal diffusion carried out without the least ventilator!


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[Tech198]

So TSMC wants to be the first in the bunch.... No surprise.. leave Intel & Samsung behind to play catch-up

 

[Abazigal]

iPod apps?

Seriously, Machaters Forums is becoming the worst.

Let these naysayers say what they want. They can't stop other people from using their iPads for "real work", nor does this change the fact that there are many people using their tablets for meaningful work every day.

When Steve Jobs said the iPad would be the car and the Mac would be the pickup truck, I think he too envisioned a future where it was 90% iOS and 10% OS X (as he called it then).

The thing about vision, which Steve had in spades, is you have to be able to look beyond the present and your current workflows, and realise that tools are always getting better. We are beyond debating whether iPad can be used for content creation. That discussion is over and those still arguing that it cannot are saying more about themselves than about the iPad with every passing month.

 

[aevan]

Let these naysayers say what they want. They can't stop other people from using their iPads for "real work", nor does this change the fact that there are many people using their tablets for meaningful work every day.

When Steve Jobs said the iPad would be the car and the Mac would be the pickup truck, I think he too envisioned a future where it was 90% iOS and 10% OS X (as he called it then).

The thing about vision, which Steve had in spades, is you have to be able to look beyond the present and your current workflows, and realise that tools are always getting better. We are beyond debating whether iPad can be used for content creation. That discussion is over and those still arguing that it cannot are saying more about themselves than about the iPad with every passing month.

Exactly. The point is, iPad (with iOS 11 especially) is BETTER at some things than the Mac. It's worse at some other things, especially the old way of doing stuff. But, currently, iPad is not meant to replace the computer at everything, just at certain tasks.

For example, professional photo editing. Illustration, definitely (almost all the artists I know are either working on iPads full time, or at least part of the time). Research, note taking, markup, etc. This is NOT iPod software, people. And neither is iOS 11. For someone who gives feedback to artists every day, iOS 11 on iPad is literally the best place to do my work.

And we kinda all know that Xcode is most likely coming for the iPad sooner or later and I can only imagine when you're capable of coding an iOS app and testing it directly on the iPad - it will probably become the best place to write certain (if not all) iOS apps.

I love the Mac. Some things you can only do on a Mac. My Macs are not going anywhere. But claiming that iPads run stretched iPod software, or iPhone software - that's just ridiculous.

 

[LordVic]

Wow, somebody said this! The welder built the Eiffel tower, the brick maker designed the Colosseum, etc.!

To be explicit, sub 10nm machining technology has existed for more than a decade, nano-tubes are NOT news, and how to use steam is more important than burning wood to boil water!

you completely missed what I was responding to if that's what you believe I said.

Apple's CPU's are fantastic ARM CPU's. Apple should be incredibly proud of the designs and the capabilities of their chips.

My response was to someone who claimed that moving the FAB process from 14nm to 10nm was due to Apple's innovation. That is all i'm saying here. Apple arne't the ones who invented, designed 10nm process nodes. the move from 14 to 10nm by TMSC isn't Apple innovating the Node process, it was TMSC.

to use your own analogy of the Eiffel Tower.

It would be like the welder who put the top on the tower also taking credit for the foundation under the tower that some other company designed and installed.

the 10nm node is the foundation that the A8x is built on. That foundation was provided and designed by someone else. not Apple

Again: This isn't me saying Apple's CPU's aren't fantastic and that Apple hasn't done a tremendous job with their engineering and design.

This was literally me just responding to someone claiming that the 10nm process was Apple's innovation.

 

[recoil80]

And we kinda all know that Xcode is most likely coming for the iPad sooner or later and I can only imagine when you're capable of coding an iOS app and testing it directly on the iPad - it will probably become the best place to write certain (if not all) iOS apps.

While it would be ok to have xcode on the iPad, I have to disagree on the fact that it will become the best place to write apps. When debugging apps is really useful to see your code (or the console), it would be impossible running the app full screen and wouldn't be convenient in split view.
Playground is fine to learn coding and to test simple apps, but writing and deploying a complex app is something you want to do with a good screen and a different operating system.

There are plenty of use cases were iPad is already the best device, but programming is not one of them. I'd like to be able to code on the iPad, but as a temporary solution (i.e. during an emergency or while commuting), not on a daily basis.

 

[aevan]

While it would be ok to have xcode on the iPad, I have to disagree on the fact that it will become the best place to write apps. When debugging apps is really useful to see your code (or the console), it would be impossible running the app full screen and wouldn't be convenient in split view.
Playground is fine to learn coding and to test simple apps, but writing and deploying a complex app is something you want to do with a good screen and a different operating system.

There are plenty of use cases were iPad is already the best device, but programming is not one of them. I'd like to be able to code on the iPad, but as a temporary solution (i.e. during an emergency or while commuting), not on a daily basis.

Not that I'm arguing but why wouldn't split view work to see code and the app?

 

[zkadda]

Meaningless without powerful software

Good job they have iOS then, eh?

 

[recoil80]

Not that I'm arguing but why wouldn't split view work to see code and the app?

Yes you can use split view but you only have a small portion of xcode available and the app is not running fullscreen.
It may work, but not as you main device to code. I don't think I could code without a mouse, but maybe it is just me

 

[LordVic]

So TSMC wants to be the first in the bunch.... No surprise.. leave Intel & Samsung behind to play catch-up

you know Samsung has already been manufacturing on 10nm nodes right?