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Originally posted by merges
I've heard that there are some issues with using Bluetooth (even the audio spec) to deliver full-quality hi-fi 44.1 16-bit stereo audio. Something to do with limited bandwidth...
Well, let's do the math here: 16 x 44,100 x 2 = 1.4112 Mbps. I believe Bluetooth is 1 Mbps, if you're really lucky. So yes, I'd call that an "issue". :)
There are apparently solutions out there, but they may be using DACs in the headset somewhere, or fudging the quality in some other way.
Well, in order to get from that 16/44.1 to something that can be put through a transducer, you do need a DAC (or an amp topology that incorporates one). If you need to compress the audio for it to make it over Bluetooth (and AFAIK there are lossless codecs that could do just that), you need something a little more complex.

HTH
WM
 
Originally posted by evolu
Most likely the iPod will record and broadcast AAC.
Not between itself and a Bluetooth headset, unless the headset could decode AAC--which sounds relatively complicated and expensive to me.

WM
 
i think it will be an inovative product called the iSomething.
it'll be a am/fm radio and a mic.
it will connect to the bottom of the iPod and fit slightly onto the bottom of the iPod.
 
Originally posted by WM.
Well, let's do the math here: 16 x 44,100 x 2 = 1.4112 Mbps. I believe Bluetooth is 1 Mbps, if you're really lucky. So yes, I'd call that an "issue". :)

Its worse then you think:

The asynchronous channel can support maximal
723.2 kb/s asymmetric (and still up to 57.6 kb/s in the return direction), or
433.9 kb/s symmetric.


That being a direct quote from the BT specs.
 
Originally posted by evolu
Most likely the iPod will record and broadcast AAC.

So the phones would need a decoder in them and would probably hjavea nasty battery pack or something... doesn;t mnake a lot of sense to me, but maybe I', missing something.

I also think that WiFi isnt' too likely; I can't think of really compelling uses.
 
wifi is also a possiblility. more and more devices are starting to have wifi. even some digital camer in japan has built in wifi. if they could make something that utilizes 802.11b (all the old airport cards) they could use it to stream over a network and listen to internet radio stations.
 
OK here's my dream Mac Expo Paris:

1. iTunes for Windows
2. New iPOd peripherals
3. Panther release

and ....








wait for it ...








4. new Powerbooks
(like you couldn't see that coming) ;)
 
Bluetooth. Bluetooth. Bluetooth.

Bluetooth headphones would be nice (assuming Apple can overcome the bandwidth limitations) ... but Bluetooth microphones would be NICER .

I currently use an Olympus DM-1 digital audio recorder to record meetings, presentations, classes, research interviews, etc. (yes, I get permissions). Bluetooth is quite sufficient for this business and academic need. And, given that CD quality can't be reached easily, it wouldn't make folks nervous about hordes of iPod owners recording their concerts, etc. instead of buying them via iTMS.

A bluetooth microphone could be innocuous and stylish and, most importantly, could eliminate cabling clutter. Just record on-the-go and, when you go home, pop it into your Dock where it's iSync'd into a user-specified iTunes playlist with date/time-stamps).

And, you know, once you have Bluetooth on-board, you could add a Bluetooth pen (like OTM Technologies' Vpen). Just write as if with a normal pen (without needing expensive, special paper like Logitech's pen) and have everything you write and draw saved to your iPod (which is in your pocket, backpack, or briefcase).

When you get home, pop your iPod into your Dock to re-charge and it automatically iSyncs your VPen files to your G3/4/5 computer, where Graffiti converts written content to text, and all is saved in a PDF file (and, ideally, the folder storing these files would be automatically indexed so that you could easily search for the content within them.

No need to re-type the notes you now jot down onto napkins or scraps of paper.

No need for a PDA to keep track of things, with an expensive pressure-sensitive LCD display. You can keep your iPod in your pocket and write merrily away and let Apple technology make your life easier.

The technology is available (more or less) and the component costs are low. So, why not?
 
Ok, going by the theory that a peripherals add new functionality, then it could be a Super Dock. One that adds video out (and audio out) ports. Then, it could be hooked up to a TV for easy viewing of slideshows/photographs.

The other peripheral would probably be a mic. I also considered an input device for altering, or making new text notes. There are about 20 some (26?) pins located on the 3G iPod's dock connector. 6 for firewire, 2 for audio out (at least). So what are the other 18 for? Remote controls might cover another 6. See what I'm getting at? There are a lot of pins that don't have a function yet....until Apple releases something that exploits those functions...
 
Originally posted by richard5mith
An accessory provides better functionality of an existing feature. The dock for instance makes syncing your ipod easier, but it's not required. The remote control on the headphones makes changing track easier, but again, isn't required to do it.

A peripheral adds whole new functionality, such as a microphone for recording. You can't record without it.

This is wrong. An accessory is something that goes with it, like a carrying bag or such like, a peripheral in the computer world, is something that connects to a host. e.g. mic, camera etc. usually an accessory only works with a specific product while peripherals will work with groups of products.
 
MY IPOD died

Sorry that Apple doesn't support it's products with better warranties. It seems that they know it has a short life. I don't know if I"ll buy another. Very sad tonight.
 
Re: MY IPOD died

Originally posted by abevcole
Sorry that Apple doesn't support it's products with better warranties. It seems that they know it has a short life. I don't know if I"ll buy another. Very sad tonight.
How did it die??
 
Re: Re: MY IPOD died

Originally posted by tizza
How did it die??

I called APPLE about 2 months ago, regarding slow dials, which is a misnomer, due to the old model, really has no dials, but anyway, unresponsive keys so to speak. I got it to finally work, myself. after several attempts. Last week, noticed that IPOD was locked on one playlist singer, but would not play, just skipped all the music, appearing to play a little, then skip to another song on the playlist, now it does nothing, and gives me the empty folder and now the sad face, which is death knell.
 
Originally posted by WM.
Well, let's do the math here: 16 x 44,100 x 2 = 1.4112 Mbps. I believe Bluetooth is 1 Mbps, if you're really lucky. So yes, I'd call that an "issue". :)

Well, in order to get from that 16/44.1 to something that can be put through a transducer, you do need a DAC (or an amp topology that incorporates one). If you need to compress the audio for it to make it over Bluetooth (and AFAIK there are lossless codecs that could do just that), you need something a little more complex.

HTH
WM

You all are forgetting the obvious. It doesn't need to stream the raw audio, just the MP3/AAC. It would allow wireless data transfer and streaming of music files to be played by an iTunes equipped computer. This could open up wireless file sharing and all kinds of concepts like wireless gaming with other iPod owners, etc. No doubt if this is something they are working on, some way to control the piracy aspect of such a system has been a major stepping stone. I've talked about the potential of this in the past with friends, and it seems a likely path for the iPod. This would hopefully also open up a market that somebody needs to address, which would be car and home stereos with bluetooth or 802.11b built in. If the iPod could get it's music to a car stereo with little to no quality loss, one could expect sales to double easily.
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
The asynchronous channel can support maximal
723.2 kb/s asymmetric (and still up to 57.6 kb/s in the return direction), or
433.9 kb/s symmetric.
Ouch. That's almost exactly half what you need. I guess we'd be stuck at 16/22.05 or something...but that would mean basically no information above 10 KHz...which would suck. :-/

WM
 
Originally posted by Rob Nance
You all are forgetting the obvious. It doesn't need to stream the raw audio, just the MP3/AAC. It would allow wireless data transfer and streaming of music files to be played by an iTunes equipped computer.

OK. That would be useless for headphones, though, because then your headphones would have to be able to decode MP3's, and that's what an iPod is for.
 
Originally posted by Rob Nance
You all are forgetting the obvious. It doesn't need to stream the raw audio, just the MP3/AAC. It would allow wireless data transfer and streaming of music files to be played by an iTunes equipped computer.
We're talking about streaming to Bluetooth headphones, not a Mac. IMHO headphones are much less likely to be able to decode AAC or MP3 than a Mac is. To be honest, I know hardly anything about any Bluetooth devices aside from Macs and cell phones, so I don't know how existing headphones (if any exist) deal with the bandwidth problem. Even so, I think I can make the determination that stereo Bluetooth headphones have to do one of three things:

1) Use some kind of lossless compression to transmit full-fidelity audio. This would entail more complexity and cost and presumably less battery life for the headphones. Depending on the codec, you might be running pretty close to the maximum bandwidth of the spec (which is bad). But I don't know how much (good) lossless codecs can compress--if they can do 3:1 or more, I imagine you'd be sitting pretty.

2) Use a 22.050 KHz sampling rate for transmission. This is not good for fidelity but wouldn't entail too much complexity (you need a DAC, but no decoding). But you'd be running really close to the bandwidth limit, most likely quite a bit closer than option #1.

3) Use lossy compression to transmit near-full-fidelity audio. This would mean way less bandwidth (which presumably means better reliability) but obviously would upset the purists and would entail at least as much complexity, cost, and reduced battery life as option #1.

WM

P.S. Blast, I see that Phil of Mac beat me to the punch. :)

edit: Aack, I didn't realize, he's a Coug!!! I rescind my acknowledgment of his being first! I was first! I was first! Mike Price! Mike Price! Pullman sucks! GOOOOOOOOO HUUUSSSSKKKKIIIIIEEEESSSSS!!!!

;)

(For you non-Washingtonians...never mind. For Phil: my aunt, uncle, and two of my cousins all went to/are going to Wazzu, so unfortunately I at least partially bleed Wazzu red [or Cougar Gold ;) ]. And really, I shouldn't make fun of Price, what with this Neuheisel thing...ugh...)
 
I suspect a car kit with a cradle to pug your iPod into. This gets around the European problems with the FM solution.

The one thing about my iPod that isn't perfect is that I still have to use CDs in my car.

The Apple / Volkwagen promotion maybe points the way.
 
Re: iPod

Originally posted by Nutzoids
How about a Digital camara that clips onto the back of it and it uses that little port next to the headphone jack for power and the bottom port for saving Pictures....Think of the Belkin Battery pack...Or maybe something that will actually work in a car...Tired of using my old one for the car!!! Only problum with a remote for your iPod is that you can't see what it is your doing...So maybe a remote with a screen on it so you know what options your picking...The only reason I refuse to use my iPod with my home system...I have to keep getting up to change the song..or band!

That is so my dream ... I've been looking for an mp3 home solution for a while now and the only thing worth using is a very expensive system which I think is meant for bar-use.

An iPod with an rc and a connection to a tv like the mp3 decoder on my dvd player (or indeed, a screen on the remote) would be perfect. I would immediately run out and get an iPod if this were released!
 
Originally posted by Foocha
The one thing about my iPod that isn't perfect is that I still have to use CDs in my car.

Ummm...How do you figure? I put all the songs from all my cd's onto the ipod. I haven't use a cd player, car or home, in 6 months.
 
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