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New iPods - This Month

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
USB2 will never fly. Apple is firewire, end of story.
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Never say never, amigo. That's bad, ummm, intel'. :rolleyes:

I have an Orange Micro Firewire/USB 2.0 PCI card in my Quicksilver. Works great except for deep sleep issues that have yet to be fixed. Bottom line: extra ports, including a USB 2.0 IOGEAR media reader that works great.

So, to say 'never' here is a bit inaccurate. USB 2.0 DOES work with Apple. Every day.

(dons flame retardant suit)
 
Originally posted by irmongoose
You must mean 9.5 cm, right? Also, Apple uses the 1.8" drives, so that's more like 4 and something centimeters, so it's still not right. If my memory is right, the only publicly annouced Toshiba drives are 5, 10, and 20, and the 40 info was put on the site then taken down.



irmongoose
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I suggest google before you open your mouth like that again... ;)

http://www.mmdus.com/mainsearch.asp?prod=toshiba&vendor=toshiba

9.5mm is height of the drive

1.8" is diameter of the actual hard drive platter.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/netcomdirect/tosmk2018gas.html

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Did anyone get to mirror the pics before TS went down???

USB 2 can only be a good thing. The more Apple sells the better. What do you care who buys them? That is contributing to the R&D money that gives us the opportunity to buy new Apple products with more advances sooner.
 
Re: no! no! no!

Originally posted by Monkeypoo
Anyone know think secrets's track record on rumor accuracy?
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The best in the business. Not flawless, but definitely the best.

My modus operandi is:
Read it on ThinkSecret,
Discuss it on MacRumors.

:)


...As for the strange drive sizes, could there be any other drive mfr's out there that make something this small in 15 GB and 30 GB?

Also, maybe the cradle is to keep one connector--firewire--on the iPod itself but the cradle will have both firewire and USB connections. As such, the cradle would be optional for Mac users and necessary for Windows users.

As for the comment about a cord with firewire on one end and both on the other... was this proven or rumored? Seems to me that you would need some kind of converter/rewiring box (albeit maybe a pretty small one) to change from firewire to USB. That's why the cradle is making more sense to me now. But this is totally out of my field, so I might be totally wrong.
 
Originally posted by irmongoose
You must mean 9.5 cm, right? Also, Apple uses the 1.8" drives, so that's more like 4 and something centimeters, so it's still not right. If my memory is right, the only publicly annouced Toshiba drives are 5, 10, and 20, and the 40 info was put on the site then taken down.



irmongoose
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2.5-inch FDB Drives:
MK4018GAS 40GB FDB HDD
MK2018GAS 20GB FDB_HDD
MK3019GAX 30GB FDB HDD
MK4019GAX 40GB FDB HDD
MK6021GAS 60GB FDB HDD
MK6022GAX 60GB FDB HDD

http://sdd.toshiba.com/cda/main.asp...000003b7/818200000192000000010000659c00000535

this is straight from the toshiba site
 
Please, people, look at the big picture.

As an AAPL shareholder, I'm very happy with the addition of USB2. Look at the facts: (1) the majority of iPod sales are now made to Windows users; (2) peruse the computer offerings of any major company and you'll see that USB2 is much more prevalent than firewaire; (3) ergo, offer USB2 and you'll be able to sell more iPods to PC users (those who don't want the hassle of buying a firewire card or don't have the technical know-how to do so.

The point is that by offering USB2 iPods Apple thinks it will be able to sell more iPods to Windows users--and I totally agree with them. When you tell someone they have to spring for a $50 firewire card on top of the $300 price of the iPod many will balk at the purchase. Solution: eliminate the requirement for an add-on card.

As for the buttons, I agree that it will be more difficult to control the iPod with one hand. However, I find the current buttons somewhat too small and therefore diificult to use.
 
Cradle could come with the Windows version only with usb2 cable (think palm pda)... and firewire cable for direct connect (both Mac and Windows).

Personally, I like the idea of a cradle. I don't want that perfectly polished backside getting scuffed up because of charging it at my desk! Plus, Apple would kill the current market on the stands. I am fairly sure they are annoyed that they don't make any of the iPod accessories that are out there... :rolleyes:

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Spymac link - thanks :D
 
Kind of lends credence to the rumor

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
Are apple lawyers hard at work to bring down the site??? I can't access it either! Pics please.
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If so, it implicitly confirms the report's accuracy. Apple doesn't go after every bit of speculation, or the wildly inaccurate ones.

Let's see what's next: (?) a thinksecret post that says "ThinkSecret believes that Apple will introduce new iPods on April 28. Apple has insisted that such speculation is unwarranted and that it will take legal action if we continue to make it. As a result, we have withdrawn our more extensive article discussing the basis for our beliefs."
 
Funny

So apple doesn't say a word while we go on and on for months about the new ipod, speculating specs, wondering when if ever the thing will ever be released. Macwhispers posts info, appleinsider posts info, and then thinksecret posts a drawing and SMACK, apple takes them out. So much for the surprise they were going for. That seems to confirm the truth of their story.

Have you ever wondered though it it's all theatrics? Maybe both MacRumors and ThinkSecret are owned by apple. I mean, talk about great market research, most of the daily polls from MacRumors are totally market centric, and talk about building drama and intrigue and desire for hunks of plastic and metal. (Hey, I'm not ripping on them, I'm buying an ipod on April 28 ;))
 
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
USB2 will never fly. Apple is firewire, end of story.
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Wake up.

Apple usually gets dissed on this forum for ignoring market reality - but in this case (for a change) they're right on the money.

Most of the iPod market is Windows users who don't have Firewire. The latest round of Windows laptops seem to be backing away from firewire actually and using USB2.

USB2 is fast enough for most folks - and it's this 'good enough' approach which makes money in the real world. Having to buy a firewire card in addition to an iPod would be a dealbreaker for a lot of Apple's potential market, especially now that the iPod is starting to get some more realistic competition.

USB2 can drive fairly significant devices. I have a Miglia portable disk drive which is Firewire or USB powered - works fine. Interestingly, if USB provides enough power for a device it should work from most systems, wheras unfortunately the 4 pin firewire standard on many PC laptops makes firewire a worse choice for charging purposes.
 
Originally posted by yzedf
I suggest google before you open your mouth like that again... ;)

http://www.mmdus.com/mainsearch.asp?prod=toshiba&vendor=toshiba

9.5mm is height of the drive

1.8" is diameter of the actual hard drive platter.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/netcomdirect/tosmk2018gas.html
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Another iPod rumor, another HD misconception. Apple uses 1.8" drives in the iPod, which is why it is so small and lightweight. They DO NOT use 2.5" laptop drives, which are heavier and (duh) bigger. Archos uses 9.5 mm (this is a height measurement. The actual platter diameter is 2.5") in their Jukebox line of HD based mp3 players. 9.5mm HDs have been around for several years now, and do a much higher volume (they are in pretty much every laptop) while 1.8" (this is a platter diameter, not height) is relatively new and unused. This also explains the high cost of the iPod and other 1.8" drive based storage devices. Only a handful of vendors are manufacturing the 1.8" drives, while there are several in the 9.5mm drive game (Toshiba, Hitachi/IBM, Fujitsu, etc). If Apple used the 9.5mm drives in the iPod, it would be about 3 ounces heavier, and at least a centimeter bigger in all dimensions. And maybe a hundred bucks cheaper, but who'd want to own a brick like that? The iPod is the best because of its grace and style...the smaller (1.8") HD is a perfect fit.

---DT
 
I think it is irresponsible to conclude that Apple had TS pulled down for speculating on the new design. The reality is, we don't know.

Let me ask you this: How often do you have trouble reaching your regular sites? I run into this problem at least once a week.

Then again, let's panic. It's more fun. :D

Dan
 
Originally posted by Adurbe
Why on earth would apple use USB2?!

One its not firewire, so the iPod could not charge via the computer, you would need to plug it into the mains

Two apple has not supported it on any apple product, why would the bother on the iPod?

Three its slower! And dont say USB2 runs @ 480, thats its theoretical max and it cant even nearly reach that if it is transmitting power at the same time
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Wrong, It COULD charge with USB

Wrong, It's NOT Slower in practice, you only need about 100 (20 megs/sec) for the slow hard drive anyway!

Right, it is a bad idea. They should make one product. I haven't seen a new PC that did NOT come with Firewire. My PC has 3 firewires, one up front, and it's not that new.
 
DTphonehome - not FUD, just me entering wrong links... at work... cut post short...

I am a dolt.

sorry for the confusion.
 
Originally posted by alset
I think it is irresponsible to conclude that Apple had TS pulled down for speculating on the new design. The reality is, we don't know.

Let me ask you this: How often do you have trouble reaching your regular sites? I run into this problem at least once a week.

Then again, let's panic. It's more fun. :D

Dan
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Irresponsible?....Well, impulsive, maybe, but irresponsible? Try again...
 
The nice thing of a craddle is that it can house the power adapter as well. If USB2 could not charge the iPod, now they can use the power from the mains and upload at the same time. It would be a better product!
 
Originally posted by alset
I think it is irresponsible to conclude that Apple had TS pulled down for speculating on the new design. The reality is, we don't know.

Let me ask you this: How often do you have trouble reaching your regular sites? I run into this problem at least once a week.

Then again, let's panic. It's more fun. :D

Dan
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I have plenty of trouble reaching some sites regularly, but thinksecret is not one of them, and certainly hasn't been a problem for some time.

The timing is what's so suspicious. I would be willing to bet when thinksecret comes back up, the ipod story will be gone or significantly modified. Apple has done this before with thinksecret (earlier this year, IIRC), and it would not surprise me that they would do it again.

Maybe the story on apple resellers will also be gone.

I, for one, am not panicked. As I said above, Apple just confirms the rumors by going after thinksecret. they did last time when ts had to pull down an article.
 
Absurd

This is rediculous. 90% of buyers will not want or need a 30gb iPod, and my bet is 50% of potential buyers dont want a 15gb version.
It will a stupid mistake to not offer at least a 10gb version at a lower price. Most people dont need more space than that. They shoudl keep the 5gb around, with less features if they have to, for a very low price. The 5gb for 200 or 150 would sell like crazy, and it would introduce a lot more consumers to apple and their products, seems apple is not looking to increase sales, oh well.
 
Originally posted by insidedanshead
TS is back up.. no iPod info.
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I still can't access TS, are you sure you're not accessing an older page that's in your cashe?

However I was able to access the sketch over on spymac...thanks for posting that link!

I've been holding off on an iPod purchase since before christmas waiting for updates. Damn, just as the updates are about to come out, the tax man hits me with $400 ouch! Guess I better start working some overtime.
 
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