New 'iProd1,1' Reference Found in iPhone OS 3.1 Beta Configuration File

[Thex1138]

The China model probably won't have wifi and some other hardware and service differences, it certainly justifies his own modelnumber i would think.

As an extra, the iPhone 4G for the 4G network will have model number 4.x

They're probably change the manufacture process to ignore or disable the wifi chipset...

 

[Bonte]

They're probably change the manufacture process to ignore or disable the wifi chipset...

I don't think China will accept the same iPhone with the wifi only disabled, the wifi-controller chip will have to be removed completely. Thus making it a new hardware configuration with a new model-number.

 

[AidenShaw]

Yep, seems that it was rather challenging to pull off, in May of 2008: Full screen Multitouch OS X

....not that you come off sounding like a ranting 12 year old, or anything like that.

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

And to quote from your link:

JD: And for the multitouch screen?
CM: I use a ~box from naturalui. It's ghetto tech, I know, but I developed the majority of Lux on a cardboard box. And it works great.

And then you throw in personal insults?

 

[i.mac]

...

Microsoft is far ahead of Apple in multi-touch systems. Period.

ms is ahead in bloated crapware, and the related hardware requires a crane to transport.

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

 

[borcanm]

Sweet. An overly expensive cattle prod made by Apple.

 

[AidenShaw]

...the related hardware requires a crane to transport...

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm
​

Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.


HP TX2 TouchSmart 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet - $799.99

Weight: 4.65 lbs
​

Lighter than a MacBook, a bit heavier than the 13" MBP.

Yes, a crane could carry it....

 

[Cousin Dirk]

Not sure about the others but the iPhone3,1 is incorrect. "China" iPhone? They wouldn't designate an entire update to china. Especially a 2,1 to 3,1 update.

The 3,1 is the next year's iPhone. The 2,1 to 3,1 goes along with a new processor much like the 3G to 3GS was 1,2 to 2,1. An integer upgrade seems to indicate a processor change, and I would expect it to be the new dual core processor.

I don't think you're right there. For a start, as has been noted, there are a few hardware changes under the hood for the China iPhone. If the China iPhone wasn't 3,1 it would at least be 2,2, but there seems to be no evidence of that.

Secondly, I doubt we'd be seeing evidence of the next generation iPhone so soon, especially since it was showing up before the 3G S came out.

Finally, the next iPhone will most likely not run iPhone OS 3.0, but 4.0, meaning its probable 4,1 identifier wouldn't show up in the 3.0 software.

 

[Cousin Dirk]

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm
​

Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.

Yep, and with Dell's build and design quality it will be like it was made out of wet cardboard.

 

[Cydonia]

3 bridges

iPhone OS itself is based on OSX. It's just scaled down to run on iPhone. The OS X is very flexible when it comes to accommodating different devices. All Apple has to do is add a brand new GUI to the iPhone OS that'll be some kind of a touch-based desktop with Finder, Dock Expose, Stacks, Expose, Dashboard as well and some kind of method of entering information either via a virtual keyboard or a stylus and you got your new iTablet OS.

Sorry for the bad PS - 2 mins at work.

 

[hashholly]

I don't think you're right there. For a start, as has been noted, there are a few hardware changes under the hood for the China iPhone. If the China iPhone wasn't 3,1 it would at least be 2,2, but there seems to be no evidence of that.

Secondly, I doubt we'd be seeing evidence of the next generation iPhone so soon, especially since it was showing up before the 3G S came out.

Finally, the next iPhone will most likely not run iPhone OS 3.0, but 4.0, meaning its probable 4,1 identifier wouldn't show up in the 3.0 software.

Why would a China IPhone be 2,2? I wouldn't be surprised that the China IPhone runs the same 2,1 firmware as the iPhone or maybe even a 2,0 (though more unlikely) seeing as the main differences from the 3GS would be lack of camera....sure they dont have a 3G network over there, but the 3GS can fall back to the EDGE network they do have.

Yes we would see evidence of a next gen iphone already, do you remember the article about the Foxconn Employee losing a 4th generation Iphone prototype? You dont think they start working on these things years in advance?

Sure in the end it will be running 4.0, but why is it far fetched to think they wouldnt be testing it out with the current 3.0 firmware? The next Iphone will be 3,1 considering it will more than likely have an LTE chip.

 

[chedda]

Newton HD

Everytime i throw something from my dock i remember the Newton ! wasn't it Steve who said the world was not ready for the Newton and it was before it's time perhaps this time is nigh ? Afterall ink and it's power should not be overlooked.

 

[t0mat0]

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

Presume the iPhone doesn't count for now? Back of my mind, i'm reminded that the WWDC 2009 State of the Union address was changed from “Mac OS X State of the Union” to “Core OS State of the Union”.

Whilst it might be too great of a leap to imagine MBP's with a multitouch overlay on their glassy displays that do multitouch, with the trackpad doing its job as before - I'd imagine once a Tablet is out of the bag, Apple will be showing where it's going a bit more?

Curious about the iFGPA - no 0,1 - it's not a product in of itself, but it's being tested with 3.1 OS?
ANd what about the iPhone 3,1 -if that's the next iPhone already being tested - interesting to see it's capable of running 3.1, rather than needing a different OS? Or maybe they haven't got any huge hardware changes that would require it? (e.g. bumped Mpixel camera might not require a change, but maybe a multicore processor might?)

 

[AidenShaw]

Presume the iPhone doesn't count for now?

Note that earlier I said:

Apple does gestures using more than one finger in OSX, not true multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.

OSX and Apples do multiple finger gestures on the trackpad. That's very, very different from screen multi-touch like Windows 7 and the Iphone.

Whilst it might be too great of a leap to imagine MBP's with a multitouch overlay on their glassy displays that do multitouch, with the trackpad doing its job as before - I'd imagine once a Tablet is out of the bag, Apple will be showing where it's going a bit more?

Like I said, Apple's scrambling to catch up - but a giant Ipod Touch isn't the same as multi-touch screens in OSX. If the tablet uses the phone OS, Apple still has a lot of work to do.

 

[sishaw]

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

Nice. As an experienced procrastinator, I could use this.

 

[ODog4523]

iProd means "I Product"..So it seems the "tablet device" will be labeled within the iPod lineup.

Maybe even the iBook Touch ?

Good call on that angle. They could easily kill the Kindle and co with an eReader that reads and writes .doc .pdf .xls etc, AND plays music and videos, AND runs Safari as well as the IPhone, AND runs App Store apps.

A new ITunes book store could come with that.

I could easily seem them going this route, particularly after hearing over and over how hardlined they are about not getting into the "netbook" market.

And if you think there's not a big enough market for eReader type devices, just think back...how many people "needed" a smartphone before the IPhone came around?

Apple can nudge the industry any way they want.

 

[t0mat0]

I'd agree AidenShaw - Apple seems ahead and also behind on multi-touch - they have a decent multi-touch gesture interface through the trackpads of their laptops,but as you rightly mention this is different to the screen multi-touch of Windows 7 and iPhone.
I'd imagine we'd find out more about a screen multi-touch system for a tablet when it pretty much gets announced. Apple has and is scrambling to catch up - 1st iPhone release, movement to 3rd party apps, the App Store review system. In all that though, there's a lot to enjoy whilst they progress.

Could you have both trackpad gestures and mouse control, with screen multi-touch running? It seems going from the iPhone to a Tablet is crossing paradigms, or what is an optimal UI potentially. Just as Windows doesn't scale down well to a phone (WM), and Apple had to hack down the OS to make the iPhone OS, a Tablet sized device with multi-touch has it's own issues - It's a smalelr screen than their smallest laptop, but more than double the size of their largest screen iPod. Much catching up, but then neither Windows 7 nor Snow Leopard is out yet.

I'd imagine the tablet would not have the straight iPhone OS. Looking at the iphone 2,1 which became the iPhone 3GS after 5 months, would that indicate the iPhone 3,1 seen could point to a iPhone 4th generation come February, or at least prior to June? Or will we see another year wait?
iFPGA still remains unresolved. Why did the iProd go from standardMuxPTP to standardMuxPTPEthernet?

 

[Cosmi]

iProd + iFPGA = Tablet + First Person Gaming Armour?

If this iProd is supposed to be a tablet that will also be a great gaming device, seems to me it will need some extra buttons anyway. So this iFPGA would not be a stand alone computing device, hence no numbers in its reference. I know Apple usually lets other manufacturers be creative with toys to enhance their computer devices, but maybe this one is too important because it would heavily interact with the iProd and all its sensors. So what about this iFPGA is some kind of enhanced Playstation type of controller that you can click to the iProd as if they were one?

 

[AidenShaw]

a multi-input reality

Could you have both trackpad gestures and mouse control, with screen multi-touch running?

Windows 7 allows multiple mouses, trackpads, pointing sticks and multi-touch screen all simultaneously active.

I tend to use keyboard, mouse/stick and screen to do what feels right.

Screen swipes to scroll windows, touch web links and buttons to follow, type text on the keyboard, use mouse for fine select control.

Has anyone here with a touch screen phone ever poked the screen of your laptop to do something? I've been doing that - it's really quite natural, and it's nice that now when you poke the laptop screen that it does what you wanted.

 

[Thomas2006]

Wacom tablet

What are the chances Apple has licensed Wacom's professional pen technology to compliment their own offerings?

 

[firewood]

Dell Latitude XT2 - 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight & Dimensions: 3.62 lbs/1.64 kg3
Width: 11.7"/297mm
Depth: 8.7"/220.6mm
Height: 1.1"/27.4mm
​

Smaller and 1.4 lbs (.63kg) lighter than a MacBook, smaller and .88 lbs (.40kg) lighter than a 13" MacBook Pro.

HP TX2 TouchSmart 12" Multi-touch laptop/tablet

Weight: 4.65 lbs
​

Lighter than a MacBook, a bit heavier than the 13" MBP.

And exactly how well are these models selling compared to MacBooks and iPod Touches? I've only seen maybe one of these at the nearby college campus, compared to hundreds of other laptops and netbooks. Why would Apple want to invest in a product that sells so poorly?

Plus, they're both around 4 times heavier than anything I'd want for a touch device.

 

[AidenShaw]

And exactly how well are these models selling compared to MacBooks and iPod Touches?

Relevance?

These are leading edge machines, with a major market being the Windows 7 developers who are and have been building applications around the pervasive multi-touch APIs in Windows 7. When Windows 7 formally ships in October, there are going to be lots of applications and many more systems with multi-touch screens available.

The real test is going to be: "How many of the top-selling laptops this holiday season are Windows 7 multi-touch systems?"

Plus, they're both around 4 times heavier than anything I'd want for a touch device.

I disagree - I'd like every laptop and system to be multi-touch. Especially with a laptop, it's convenient to be able to use the multi-touch UI whenever the whim strikes.

On the other hand, if the device is multi-touch only, and has no keyboard or pointing device - I think that something around the size of the 6" Kindle would be the upper limit for size.

 

[Bubba Satori]

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

It's a shame they're not as smart as you.

 

[Veinticinco]

It's looking more and more likely that the Tablet will run some version of the iPhone OS as opposed to OS X.

= Commercial Failure

 

[DMann]

You counter with a link to Flash prototype of a multi-touch system? Where is the download from Apple of a multi-touch system, and multi-touch screen capable hardware from Apple?

And to quote from your link:


And then you throw in personal insults?

That is correct - if Multitouch for OS X is that easy to set up via free open framework, you somehow feel that Apple will need to be "scrambling" to catch up? If they do decide to implement full Multitouch on a tablet, one would imagine that the screen would be constructed of durable glass, which will be much easier to clean - unlike the comparatively fragile, thin, and possibly, matte surface of a laptop LCD, one which you are so fond of 'poking'.


Speaking of personal insults, it's a good thing that the previous posters' descriptions were deleted, as they were quite direct, shall we say.

 

[Target362]

ms is ahead in bloated crapware, and the related hardware requires a crane to transport.

msakes money by exploiting folks inability to differentiate quality products.

Microsoft has no control over what PC makers do.