Remove Apple from the story, is this still stupid? You did not even read the story did you? Always thinking as a stockholder and not a consumer....
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New Legislation Aims to Make it Easier for Customers, Indie Shops to Repair iPhones
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Remove Apple from the story, is this still stupid? You did not even read the story did you? Always thinking as a stockholder and not a consumer....
You can choose to do business with those who do offer third party repairs. You have options. The story is still stupid.
With all of the pressing things on these people's plates, this is what they are wasting our tax dollars on...sheesh! Healthcare is about to be taken away and all people can think about is if they can get their smartphone repaired at some indy repair shop.
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Let me put it another way, as a consumer, as stated by above poster would you like to go into a repair shop and have the part repaired for under £100 including labour or pay the current £1200+ for not a repair, but a logic board replacement.
Why are we okay with such waste that a £0.25 part that can be repaired, but we are defending the current model of getting a logic board replacement, this is awful as a consumer. Defending my cumsumer rights against greed is a good use of tax payer money......its saving you that hard earned earned cash.
Feel free to explain how you as a consumer are worse off by this ? As a loyal Apple follower you can still go straight to Apple and pay your £1200, others should have the option to pay £100 and just fix the part in question and not throw out the engine.
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Makes no difference , tools to repair modern electronics have improved significantly. It's just a computer.
This is more likely a result of attempts by these companies to limit what owners can do:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...re-want-to-keep-tinkering-self-repair-illegal
And as someone who has modified computers, homes, cars, motorcycles, boats, power tools...
I call BS to limits on what I can do with something I've paid for. As the article says - it's
the American way!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...re-want-to-keep-tinkering-self-repair-illegal
And as someone who has modified computers, homes, cars, motorcycles, boats, power tools...
I call BS to limits on what I can do with something I've paid for. As the article says - it's
the American way!
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I can't wait for Apple to have additional shipping time delays of new iPhones and other hot items as a direct result of this bad legislation. We can't make iPhones fast enough to meet demand because bad legislation requires us to keep parts for third parties on hand.
There is literally no reason for the government to be stepping in here. Apple has a process for being certified to do repairs. People need to follow the process for becoming an authorized to do repairs. That's for the consumers own safety. The problem is already solved.
There is literally no reason for the government to be stepping in here. Apple has a process for being certified to do repairs. People need to follow the process for becoming an authorized to do repairs. That's for the consumers own safety. The problem is already solved.
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Yes, options are great -- that's why consumers should have the option to go to an independent repair shop or the manufacturer.
Hey, even if the bill passes, you all are still free to essentially buy a brand new device once your Apple gear goes poof out-of-warranty. (which is the only financially feasible option (third-party/DIY repairs aside) because Apple will charge you an arm and a leg to repair or replace the device.)
No sympathy with Apple on this one, not one tiny bit.
Glassed Silver:win
No sympathy with Apple on this one, not one tiny bit.
Glassed Silver:win
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Partially true. All of Fender's schematics are openly available, and until recently, a paper copy was included in the box. (Source: I have handled thousands of them.) But a fender amp is a simple circuit with discreet components.
However, a Kemper Profiler or a Line 6 amp is a totally different creature, and the majority of the circuit appears on a schematic as a "black box" processor. An increasing and overwhelming majority of electronic devices (including those made by Apple) are built the same way.
If you want to pack the most components in an enclosure and ensure that they are less prone to connection failures, you integrate them or solder them together.
If you want to build an engine that is more durable and requires less maintenance, you cast it in the fewest parts possible. This gives you fewer gaskets and mating surfaces. It also means that a failure, though less likely, will require an entire engine replacement. Is it rewarding to have a classic car that you service and tune yourself? Absolutely. However, the consumer market has spoken, and they want to just push a button and start using. Part of what makes that possible is keeping fingers out of places that they don't belong. Does it make life harder for the DIY crowd? Sure, but they still have options.
Love it or hate it, this is just the way consumers and manufacturers are evolving.
First of all step back from the keyboard and read what I wrote. There is nothing to back up. I basically stated that if you need something that Apple can't provide there are others who make computers and smartphones. I'm not going to back up something you can simply google search for yourself.
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Go to an authorized repair shop. That's the only way Apple can maintain the quality of the repair and the service. It's better for the consumer. Tinker people need to buy products they can tinker with themselves, go through Apple's authorized repair process or get a new hobby or tinker the best way they can as is. It is a simple as that. You can still tinker with your device if you want to. No one is stopping you from voiding your warranty. Apple probably doesn't want to be on the hook financially for problems related to hobbyists tinkering with their products and I agree.
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This legislation sounds consumer-friendly and deserves to be enacted. My only caveat however, insofar as it pertains to smartphones such as Apple's iPhone, would be repair of the TouchId sensor and anything involving the Secure Enclave co-processor, as these are vital components of the security structure of the smartphone owner's digital life, so to speak, and could be compromised by unscrupulous third-party repair shops.
Personally, I would be hesitant to let just anybody perform service repairs on those items of my iPhone.
I appreciate sceptcism. My fender came with a circuit schematic (for both the amp and foot switch). Even Fender posts their documentation and actively asks customers to post legacy documentation. I have not bought other amps new so maybe have a look... you may be surprised.
Not sure why you are so sceptical about doing smc level logic board repair. But sure, nobody but Apple can do them.
What's wrong with you? Where is the problem to sell genuine parts to repair shops? Why do you think anyone with a phone under warranty would not go directly to Apple?
But guess what, most phones out there are out of warranty for a long time and people just don't buy new ones only because freaking Apple wants them to.
I'd not consider myself professional but I have successfully done smc level logic board repairs to three Macs. I have also failed too. I once tried replacing the nand in an iPad mini and cooked the board (yet much was learned). It is important to note that I enjoy fixing things and have performed these repairs as a hobby rather than as a business. Although I admit iPhone front glass/digitizer replacement has gotten really old (but I still help out family friends when asked).
Still, the point is that Apple should not be permitted to block third party repairs by withholding basic documentation and parts.
Then sell the miniaturised parts. Make it so that I can buy a screen assembly.
You do realize that Apple was founded by two guys tinkering with other people's hardware in their garage, right?
“If we hadn’t made those little blue boxes, there might never have been an Apple computer.” — Steve Jobs
We’ll see.
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Actually consumers often don't know the rules going in as companies make it deliberately difficult. Ever read the whole macOS T’s & Cs?
No, didn't think so.
I once fixed an iPhone 4s which had a faulty sleep button, extremely tedious repair, but part was $3 and I had the time. Apple wanted to charge $300 for replacement. Sometimes indie repair is for you, I choose iPhone and would favor indie repair shops.
Agreed. The AirPods are a great example and the iPad Pro which uses a fairly large amount of adhesive for the batteries. It makes these products very difficult to repair versus just replacing it as a whole.
The AirPods would likely be next to nearly impossible to repair, being it would likely be costly in labor just to disassemble the alleged issue and replace the device would be more efficient.
I know iFixit mentioned the difficulty of the repair with iPad Pro and the AirPods with the adhesive used.
I enjoyed your post. Yeah, modeling amps have more complex components. Still, I come to a different conclusion. Even with a "black box" in the board, with the schematic you can at least find test points and trace faults. If the fault is a resistor or IC or whatever , they can still be checked, tested, replaced as needed. I do not need to know how the IC works internally if I can order up a replacement, fire up my rework station, and replace it.
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Hard to summarize concisely. In most simple terms: know the symptoms, use circuit schematic to look up where fault is likely to be. Use board view to find physical location. Use test points to check voltage. Narrow it down as much as possible (ideally a single component). Complex damage is out of my league but I still think it is amazing what can be repaired.
Nope, totally true. Pay attention, I said last year's Fender lineup. The overwhelming majority of the market, Marshall, Soldano, Boogie, Roland and Fender... all authorized service only.
Kemper is a much of an amp as the iPhone is a phone. It amplifies a guitar output level, screws with the signal and powers speakers, that's all a guitar amp is. Exactly the same as anything Line 6.
Just because some hippy burnout with a soldering iron can't suss out some ICs, that doesn't change the nature of the product.
Anyways... this law has zero chance, the liability baked into existing manufacrurer's warranties is pretty well established legally from a variety of vectors. There's no reasonable legal angle that would compel manufacturers to facilitate this scheme. So... stillborn.
And that is just a load of crap, disproven by the millions of iPhone users who get Indy screen replacements every year.
Safety ? Authorised repair centres are about the cash flow, you have no idea who works on your machine.
As an example , When it comes to my car and my safety, my mechanic I trust , I know it's them working on my car, I don't trust dropping it off to the dealer for a car I spent a fortune on to have an apprentice work on it . That's the reality of the situation.
Please explain safety concerns ? And how the law does not protect you?