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did this come from WWDC ? I'd like these Q & A Stuff.

You have to cut corners somewhere, but why did it have to be the processor ? Even my Mac Mini (base unit) is faster.
 
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This is what happens when some people cry hoarse for cheaper things with better performance. Just not gonna happen.

So you believe that Moore's law has actually come to a complete end do you?

Top dollar for less-than-average tech is really starting to not add up.
Tiny SSD's still!
Crappy GFX card's as standard.

Price-gouging Apple extra's which should be standard..... /sigh.

...and when I say top dollar for less-than tech I'm talking about their entire iMac and MBP range, not just this £900 underpowered, cheapo imac.
 
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i think part of the idea behind apple nowadays is to provide this amazing ecosystem of interoperability and clever features that are only available to osx and ios owners which then allows them to charge much more for much less hardware-wise. It is no longer apples to apples comparisons (pun intended) because this machine will include a lifetime of free OS upgrades and many many included tools. You really do not need to buy any software with a mac anymore now that they have doubled down on the iCloud side and with all the other free software it comes with.

true the price does not alone justify the product from a purely hardware perspective but that is no longer what you are buying when you buy a mac. you are buying the ecosystem which cost apple way more to deliver then whatever additional services and software comes with a dell or any other computer for example.

as an interesting poll how much does everyone feel the 'ecosystem' and software and services apple provides is worth of the computer price itself? i think this value has been steadily growing over the past year or so and people are taking that benefit for granted.

apple does not really make their money on software so they must make it on hardware.
 
I don't like this Apple trend of marginally "cheaper" devices with ridiculously reduced parameters. 8GB iPhone 5c version instead of just dropping the price of 16GB. Entirely new, slower version of iMac instead of just dropping the price of the existing lowest config. These just look like bean-counter moves. :confused:

It hurts the reputation of the brand. :(
 
What amazes me is that so many people keep saying that this iMac doesn't have a Fusion drive or SSD. For crying out loud, these low cost iMacs do have Fusion and 256GB SSD options. You just have to BTO it.
 
Anyone notice Tim Cook quietly sitting beside Jobs in this clip. Now we all know what he was thinking...."....oh yes we will, when I'm at the helm. Stripped down iphone? Check. Stripped down iPod? Check. Stripped down mac. Check

This is not looking good for apple.

It's what they use to do in the old days before Jobs took over and rescued them.
 
Going from Quad to Dual core?
Didn't expect that when Tim Cook talked about "incredible stuff, the kind of innovation only Apple can do!".

I think Tim meant going backwards is something only Apple can do:D:apple:
 
I'd say Apple used an Ultrabook CPU in the new iMac to avoid shipping Intel's HD 4600 GPU in anything. No desktop CPUs include HD 5000. - Andrew Cunningham (@AndrewWrites) June 18, 2014

Because Intel expects the desktop CPUs to be used in computers that are going to have some real expandability [cough*slots*cough] and use [gasp!] actual graphics cards if the performance is so important.
 
Tim:"Okay team. Here's what I want. At least as good of specs as the current lowest price model, if not better, and we will sell it for $899 !!!"
Jony:"Uh...Tim. We still want to be able to sell the more expensive models."
Tim:"Oh. Yeah. You're right about that one. So let's do what we can to knock off $200 and bring even more people into our happy family!!!"

Apple Executive Meeting:
Jony: Tim, have you heard? Microsoft is putting laptop CPU's in tablets
Tim: F that and F Microsoft! Let's do the opposite and put them in desktops
 
They are not all using 5200's.

21.5"

i5 4570R ( Iris Pro 5200 )
i5 4570S HD 4600 discrete GT 750M
i7 4770S HD 4600 <see above >

27"

i5 4570 HD 4600 + discrete GPU
i5 4670 HD 4600 + discrete GPU
i7 4771 HD 4600 + discrete GPU


This comment about "only HD5000 or above " implicitly is only the subset of Macs without discrete GPUs. ( and not non updated configs from over a year a ago Mac Mini and regular MBP 13" )

HD4600s don't really exist on iMacs with dGPUs because Apple has something in the EFI code to disable the iGPU on iMacs if a dGPU is present.
 
Intel can say whatever they want... due to the lower TDP of only 15W, game performance is 30-45% worse than HD 4600... I see many unhappy customers in the near future...
 
I have to laugh when I read some post saying that "But it comes with lifetime OS/X updates".

That "lifetime" is usually only a few years, and this by design. Like with the original 2006 Mac Pro which is stuck at OS/X 10.7 Lion, although that same Mac Pro is much superior to the new Clunker iMac in almost every way.

Anyone happy with the Clunker iMac would be even more happy with a ChromeBook and the US$800 savings.
 
What do you mean there was no last. It is a fact that there was a pervious iMac. And it's a fact it was much faster. Not to sure what I should be getting in my head here other than apple is downgrading stuff and calling it new.

Downgrading would be selling a weaker iMac at 1299 and 1499. There's nothing to downgrade from as this is a new addition to the line at a new price point. The remaining iMacs were unaffected by this move. Again, nothing was downgraded.
 
Can't believe they did no unleash this Beast at WWDC, clearly its part of the best Product line up ever!

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The only plausible explanation I can come up with also; schools or institutional. Everything else I try to think of, defies logic. And for that matter, I suspect even developing markets won't embrace this thing in large numbers, but I'll gladly be wrong about that.

I am sure there will be a place for it in Hairdressers, Beauty saloons, reservation lobby's, where it can act like a fashion accessory, other than that, its overpriced for what it is.
 
1) it's Acer
2) it doesn't run OSC
3) it'll probably last 2 years, if that
4) it'll cost $200 more over the years it'll run.

So you might as well opt for the iMac

5) Doesn't run OS X - the value for consumers looking for a Mac is because it isn't a Windows computer - the OS has value in that it differentiates the brand from all the rest which can only compete on two things - price and specifications, attention to detail and support don't even enter the equation for pretty much every Windows OEM out there (and why would it when price and specifications are the only two differentiators which creates the race to the bottom and razor thin margins which mean things have to be culled - the standard features that give Apple the edge).
 
This machine is for people who primarily surf the web and send e-mail.

I'd like to see Apple make this statement about the new iMac.
This would make it clear that anyone thinking about doing any business related stuff on the computer should stay clear of this model.
 
Don't know why the doom and gloom. Was at the Apple Store yesterday and people were looking at the new model as an option for a nice iMac.

I also tried out the equivalent MacBook Air and it seemed to do everything an average Apple user does - iPhoto, e-mail, Safari, Office App.
 
Yet again those complaining about the speed have no idea that the vast majority of buyers at this price point won't give a monkey's arse about speed and no SSD for the light emailing and internetting that they do.

Is it a bargain price, no, if you want a bargain get a PC and the all in ones from Dell and Co. are quite pricey too. Sure it should be cheaper but it's not so move on.

That is true of every single event and thing ever. So when should we stop and discuss? For untruths only?
 
That is true of every single event and thing ever. So when should we stop and discuss? For untruths only?

That's a false dilemma between "only discuss untruths" and "make irrelevant complaints over and over". If you can't think up anything else to discuss, then yes, there's probably no need to post.
 
I'd like to see Apple make this statement about the new iMac.

This would make it clear that anyone thinking about doing any business related stuff on the computer should stay clear of this model.

Why? unless you're doing something major I doubt that a copy of Microsoft Office 2011 is going to stress the machine to the point that it is unusable even for spreadsheet jockey's dealing with many sheets and cells.
 
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