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New Mac Mini and 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pros Available for Pre-Order Starting Today

ProfessionalFan said:
Same. Trying to decide if I want to trade in my M1 one for $270 or just keep it and repurpose it. Seems like better value to keep it.
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Trying to make the same decision. I am the only Mac user in my house, so I can't give it to my wife or son, so I have to decide if what to do with it. Already have an TV 4K, so I don't need it for the entertainment room. The other decision is M2 or M2 Pro. Probably the M2 is all I need in reality. I don't do any video work. Just mostly photo editing, YouTubing, reading the news. Most of my time is spent on my iPad Pro. Definitely 16gb ram and 1tb storage though.
 
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I'm typing this outside on a MacBook Pro 2012 because it is breeze here,
and don't want my other MacBook Air 2020 flying around the Gulf of Mexico now.

(funny response, thanks)
 
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Seems like a bad sign that the M2 MacBook Pro models are only being compared against Intel MacBook Pros on the website… I wanted to know if it’s better than M1 by enough to justify it.
 
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For the mini, the proper spec one is 2100$ but I can get the studio for the same price with a higher potential.
benchmarking is needed for sure
 
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brookster said:
Macbook pro is so junky and heavy. It’s like the 2013 macbook. Back to future or back to the past? Lol. Would consider buying it when it is as slim as the last intel macbook pro.
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Huh? They are basically the same size. The new MBP isn't even a millimeter thicker than the old Intel MBP.

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Che Castro said:
Is 8gb ram enough as a plex server and daily normal use?
I currently have a 2012 i5 16gb ram and I plan to keep this m2 Mac mini for a long time
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Absolutely. I've done some pretty hardcore multitasking with the M1 and 8GB and had no problem. If you have some money for an upgrade, go for a bigger SSD :)
 
iStorm said:
Huh? They are basically the same size. The new MBP isn't even a millimeter thicker than the old Intel MBP.
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It's a notable difference in hand in regards weight and thickness - the specs are hiding the actual volume difference due to the tapering. I had both for about a week when work upgraded my machine. Very much worth it considering how much cooler it is on top of the performance and battery life, but it's a moderate step back in portability.
 
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Beau10 said:
It's a notable difference in hand in regards to the thickness and weight - the specs are hiding the actual volume difference due to the tapering. I had both for about a week when work upgraded my machine. Very much worth it considering how much cooler it is on top of the performance and battery life, but it's a moderate step back in portability.
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And it's 2.2mm thicker, but that's still less that 1/10 inch
 
cannono said:
Seems like a bad sign that the M2 MacBook Pro models are only being compared against Intel MacBook Pros on the website… I wanted to know if it’s better than M1 by enough to justify it.
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Uhm, you mean to sell an M1 MacBook Pro in order to buy a M2? The answer is no. But you should expect that. Laptops aren't supposed to be upgraded every two years. At least not Mac laptops.
 
cicalinarrot said:
Absolutely. I've done some pretty hardcore multitasking with the M1 and 8GB and had no problem. If you have some money for an upgrade, go for a bigger SSD :)
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Disagree. I would not buy a computer in 2023 with only 8gb of non-upgradeable RAM. It isn't so much what you do with it today that concerns me. What concerns me is what MacOS and a web browser will need in five years. I'm sure 16gb will be enough five years from now. I'm skeptical about 8gb. I'm also sure that at some point in the not too distant future a 8gb computer will chug and but with 16gb that same computer will be fully functional. That RAM cliff has been an issue for years or even decades now and the solution (for those of us keeping around old computers) has always been to upgrade the RAM and get years of additional work out of our computers. Can't do it with these devices. So buy now for the future.

Internal storage can always be augmented with external or even cloud-based storage. RAM cannot.
 
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TallManNY said:
Disagree. I would not buy a computer in 2023 with only 8gb of non-upgradeable RAM. It isn't so much what you do with it today that concerns me. What concerns me is what MacOS and a web browser will need in five years. I'm sure 16gb will be enough five years from now. I'm skeptical about 8gb. I'm also sure that at some point in the not too distant future a 8gb computer will chug and but with 16gb that same computer will be fully functional. That RAM cliff has been an issue for years or even decades now and the solution (for those of us keeping around old computers) has always been to upgrade the RAM and get years of additional work out of our computers. Can't do it with these devices. So buy now for the future.

Internal storage can always be augmented with external or even cloud-based storage. RAM cannot.
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This is why I decided to max out my pre-ordered Mini with 32gb RAM. I've never once complained about having too much RAM, and paying $400 to help future proof my new Mac seems like a reasonable investment.
 
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Beau10 said:
It's a minimal amount on paper but that's comparing the small curved centerpoint of the Intel model vs. the flat bottom of the new one. By volume it's a fair bit more than specs suggest, wouldn't be surprised if it's 20%+, certainly feels it.
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I was alll wrong anyhow because of their weird wording. Length to me is the longest dimension followed by width and height
 
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If you have an m1/pro/max its not really worth the jump atm, might me better to wait it out for an m3/m4 where its a bigger jump in gains. Usually in the pc world of desktops the 20-30% gains are not worth upgrading until its 50-80% otherwise its barely noticeable.
 
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Disagree. I would not buy a computer in 2023 with only 8gb of non-upgradeable RAM. It isn't so much what you do with it today that concerns me. What concerns me is what MacOS and a web browser will need in five years. I'm sure 16gb will be enough five years from now. I'm skeptical about 8gb. I'm also sure that at some point in the not too distant future a 8gb computer will chug and but with 16gb that same computer will be fully functional. That RAM cliff has been an issue for years or even decades now and the solution (for those of us keeping around old computers) has always been to upgrade the RAM and get years of additional work out of our computers. Can't do it with these devices. So buy now for the future.

Internal storage can always be augmented with external or even cloud-based storage. RAM cannot.
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Completely disagree.
Sorry but nothing you've said sounds close to reality to me.
First off, the RAM cliff hasn't been an issue for consumer PCs since 2010, not sure what decades you're talking about. You can use even 4GB on a PC for basic tasks such as the ones described, but surely won't be great for multitasking. 8GB has been a standard for years now, if the tasks stay the same, you don't need more.
There used to be a myth of RAM making your computer faster but... it had to be the bottleneck and not it very rarely is nowadays.

Specifically about the M1... have you tried multitasking with it? The way it uses the RAM was one of the greatest features, it has great cache and also uses the very fast SSD as swap in some clever way. Been stressing it for a long time now and the only time I ever felt like I could use more RAM was with After Effects with... RAM previews. A very specific task that just works better with more RAM. But that's not what was asked here, and frankly not even what the Mac Mini is meant to deal with, it's not a ideal for professionals.

On the other hand, cloud and external storage are never as fast, practical or reliable as internal storage. Some apps, cache folders and libraries only run (or only run decently) from the boot drive. That's something all users can end up needing.
 
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cannono said:
Seems like a bad sign that the M2 MacBook Pro models are only being compared against Intel MacBook Pros on the website… I wanted to know if it’s better than M1 by enough to justify it.
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It makes sense because most people are not upgrading from a M1 Pro MBP to an M2 Pro. This device's target demographic is ppl on pre-2021 MacBook Pros.

Also, the simple fact that the comparison is not being made, should tell you all you need to know about justifying moving from an M1 Pro MBP to an M2 Pro MBP.
 
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TallManNY said:
Disagree. I would not buy a computer in 2023 with only 8gb of non-upgradeable RAM. It isn't so much what you do with it today that concerns me. What concerns me is what MacOS and a web browser will need in five years. I'm sure 16gb will be enough five years from now. I'm skeptical about 8gb. I'm also sure that at some point in the not too distant future a 8gb computer will chug and but with 16gb that same computer will be fully functional. That RAM cliff has been an issue for years or even decades now and the solution (for those of us keeping around old computers) has always been to upgrade the RAM and get years of additional work out of our computers. Can't do it with these devices. So buy now for the future.

Internal storage can always be augmented with external or even cloud-based storage. RAM cannot.
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I can live with my 8. I will definitely go 16 if I need to replace my current laptop. If I didn't have to take the whole bottom off, I would have maxxed RAM by now; think it can do 32.

EDIT: I forget which version of Windows it was when the RAM reqs jumped, leaving some with the bare minimum or not even enough. Good thing it was easy to upgrade RAM then
 
cannono said:
Seems like a bad sign that the M2 MacBook Pro models are only being compared against Intel MacBook Pros on the website… I wanted to know if it’s better than M1 by enough to justify it.
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But their introduction video (10:00+) presents repeated benchmarks and comparisons against the M1 Pro MBP, not just the Intel-based ones, with strikingly large percentage increases.

They should add that to whatever text or charts they have on the website.
 
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